what would you add?

please return me the Pic of jpg with the specification and working operation of the lever or button

*More room behind ... (maybe a pax cabin)
*Activate existing switches which are dead
*APU
*GPWS

FMC.

First i would improve the cabin announcments. Seatbelts and smokingsign have such a bad tone. Btw does somebody knows a improvement for that??

alrot wrote on Jan 20^th, 2012 at 6:29am:

sorry.

Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 10:47am:


This is thew kind of Post I need ,after all its free and fopr the joy of the FS comunity

Bud I already fix the autobrake switch ,I'm trying to modified the EICAS with the GPS interface ,also I'm trying to make a switch screens like in real life..

the problem I always found its the language of the default gauges XML code its quite different language that I used to

I'm working on it 

Jokerc152 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 11:43am:


Ok I don't know wh people can't see it,but it already has FMC 

also
Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 10:47am:




aagghhr errmm cough that doesn't look too good ,we have to stick to the real life 737-800 model
we will see what other panel should be there ,and Ill figure how to interface the EICAS with the GPS as a background..like in my Citation X

that isn't the default microsoft one...

jetprop wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 6:40pm:



its a replica ,I'm using the textures ,for free, for the good of others and myself,

ask not what your FSX can do for you ask what you can do for your FSX

jetprop wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 1:00pm:


what exacly do you NEED to know? and It wasn't my intention to call the Default 737 IT WILL BE THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE DEFAULT 737 that's what I mean


I also make switch the screens LCD
the knobs are working now  too

jetprop wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 4:25pm:


oh God! that word doesn't show in my dictionary 

hyperpep111 wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 4:45pm:


yes it can be done and that in particular its very easy 
but I'm still not sure if to add a cabin yet , a cabin will make more extra weight to the system (more poligons)

besides I have no clue how is that cabin ,Ive seen a lot pic in airliners.net but it doesn't show the area of the main door and the division in that area ..
let see how it goes ,believe it or not this things its harder than you might think   

fcerven wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 5:58pm:


Good Post !,this is the kind of post I need

I already set and fmc ,It also have wipers ,many buttoms and swiches are now working in the upperpanel (still many to figure it out what they do ,I'm looking where is the Avionics master switch??)

You also gave me and Idea to what to add It will be the BC button thanks 

I was about to post another Pic but I don't want to fill the thread with too many Jpgs

  the gauge HSI display system control ,I think works well already

please take a look the previews pics and watch it closely

Le Stephane

I would have to see how that texture works in some of the old FS9 ,I see that in 2d panel shows in FSX that effect ,I'm not so sure if it can be applied in the VC

Do you know where is the avionics switch you told me ,where shoulld I put it ?

You need to tell me above all where should I put these things ,the guy above is right ,we need to make and entire cold start up simulation ,I think is completed in the md-83

the Slat panel in the Upper Console ,that's how it comes in the default gauges ,Its not working properly

Alex

Forget about the VC rain  when Bill L said Its impossible its because it is 

http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120921

THAT GUY ITS A GENIOUS!!


My eyes are burning I can't find this trick yet


Code:

    	<PartInfo>
	<Name>Rain</Name>
	<AnimLength>100</AnimLength>
		<Visibility>
			<Parameter>
				<Code>(A:AMBIENT PRECIP  STATE4, bool)</Code>
			</Parameter> 
		</Visibility>
	</PartInfo> 

I have a silly question Alrot.

Are you modifying the default fsx 737 VC or are you making a new one that looks like the default?

Also if you are modifying the default don't you need the source files?

alrot wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 4:49pm:


did you try making some gauges that,when its raining it gets activated and when the whipers are on they show the transparant part?

probably a stupid idea by me.

Hey Daube!! 

http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1327462498.jpg

Now the second part the conditional = {if} if wipers are on show the cleaned area

I can't believe I actually did it!!! I did it yipheeewww!! 



Ok Daube I need you to test this too, hello out there

I have answered your PM Alejandro.
Here are two shots to show that the effect works correctly. First I flew below the clouds, it was rainning and the rain texture was showing properly:




Then I climbed above the clouds, the rain stopped, and the windows got clean



Last remark, about the interior lights:
- during night, it works normally.
- during dusk (and perhaps day, I didn't test), the light doesn't work, but some instruments are showing the night texture nevertheless. For example, the FMC, and some instruments in the center of the panel.

I know about the switches Alejandro.
The fact is that in my last picture, it's not night yet, not for the simulator at least. As a consequence, when I click on the "instrument lights" (the one of the left), the FMC and the round gauges in the middle of the panel show night texures, but the rest of the cockpit still shows day textures. Also, the "light" itself doesn't work in that case.

But if I wait for the evening, then everything works fine. Instrument light illuminates, panel shows night textures, and instruments show night textures.

The problem really only occurs shortly before the evening, when it's starting to get dark but it's not the evening yet.

from what i can see its pretty decent exept the autopilot and the gauges themselves,their layout seems fine.

edit:
i found this...
http://i.pbase.com/g6/04/645104/2/75810946.omngRIi7.jpg
http://www.aircraft.5u.com/images/7384.jpg

so its ONLY the autopilot section realy...
i think it depends on what is used by the customer.

alrot wrote on Jan 25^th, 2012 at 4:42pm:


let me save them as images and upload them to simv.

edit:done

http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1327612819.jpg

http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1327566845.jpg

alrot wrote on Jan 25^th, 2012 at 5:15pm:


btw,i will try and find a better shot of the autopilot,but tommorow since its late over here...

i quickly found one.
its easy to find:
google: 737-800 cockpit autopilot.
should be on the second or third page,if not,fourth.

alrot wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 7:40am:


let me do a search for FSX...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqIvROvgRcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0XOLN_aqfI

there are many videos ..most of them saids

  thank you to the people of Microsoft for doing the FSX ,thank to John Doe for the scenery ,for my dog who inspire me the video ,for Boeing to Buy Mc Douglas and make the Md-83 ,for the fly that just stood in my monitors, 
they always thanks everything except the idiot who made the aircraft ,some of them goes further and thanks to Package by Juan Carlos Chavez to make this wonderful aircraft this dude its being posting my airplane and claims he made it ,its in Fligthsim.com ,obviously another violation of my work as usual

----------------------------------------------
I just change the subject sorry
I have the same files but with the Boeing voice ,I can't make it work

I'm lacking a little bit of free time on my side to test your B737 cockpit further.
If the roads here don't get blocked by the snow tonight, I'll try to get home soon enough to finish the tests. I'm mainly concerned about the electric systems, as I told you already.
It's nothing much though, I just want to verify a thing or two and provide my final feedback.

Hey Alex

I don't think you can provide an installer that will do all this

I think you have to TELL people to backup the original 737 interior model (or provide it inside the file) and also TELL people any other files to backup.

Then I think you may be able to provide the installer but I suspect it is complicated to install into many directories --BUT ...  it may be better to simply provide install instructions for manual install. It is not that complicated. (self install is great when it works but can this be done?)

I don't think anyone will really want the originals after your upgrade. You are only adding things - not taking anything away .. ... but nio big deal if they do -- we can always provide backups here if they want them  ...

alrot wrote on Jan 31^st, 2012 at 4:49pm:

Alex. I haven't tried the current version of the Clickteam Install Creator but I have used it in the past. Unless they've drastically changed it the software works by overwriting existing files, in exactly the same way as extracting a zipfile to a specific location. The only difference is that it has an optional Uninstall feature. This could obviously cause problems if it removed default files. I don't think it will do what you want.

Alejandro, what are the final fixes that you could include in the cockpit ?
I know the version you gave me is not recent enough anymore, however it had quite a lot of problems in the gauges:
- the number of Ampere falls down to zero when you deactivate the APU, even if engines are running and engine generators are ON.
- the "runway turnoff" switch acts as cabin switch and it also activates the logo light
- the logo light switch has no effect
- the taxi lights switch has no effect
- the wing lights have no effect
- the gauge displaying the slats+flaps position doesn't work, excepted the for the "test" button.

That's all I could spot while seating at the gate.

Hi Alejandro,

I received you PM. Tomorrow I'll have time to do the tests you asked, so I'll provide you some feedback.

Concerning the lights, I understand that it's just like landing lights: they are attached to the 3D model instead of being defined in the aircraft.cfg. However, I wonder if some simple taxi lights could be added simply by editing the aircraft.cfg.

Concerning the problem with the gauges language, I know what you're talking about. I've been trying to mess into some gauges in the past, for example to fix the engine starters of some FS9 plane that do not start properly in FSX... and that was just impossible. I hate this 'post-fix' programming language 

Cheers,
Stephane.

Indeed Alejandro, the wingflex will prevent you from adding those "wing lights"... Anyways, I'm not even sure what those "wing lights" are.... I noticed that the "navigation lights" will trigger both the gree+green lights, and some white lights on the back of the wingtip... perhaps those are the wing lights, and by mistake they react to the navigation lights button ? Ah well, it's fine as it is.

I could make my tests this morning.
Here are the conclusions:
1- The slats panel
It works now, but there are still some mistakes. The test button for example, doesn't work at all anymore. Also, the central yellow lights are ON when you are on the second crank of flaps, but they switch OFF when you deploy the flaps more. This should be the contrary, they should be OFF when the flaps are only 5 to 15 degrees, and they should turn ON when the flaps are more than 20 degrees.

2- The GPSW
It works very well, but as you said the default FSX GPSW must be turned OFF first, because you can hear both of them when you are flying. The default GPWS can be turned OFF from the aircraft.cfg, there's a line for this if I remember correctly. Also, I confirm that my sim crashes as soon as I try to reload the aircraft, just like you said.

3- The electric system
In my default flight, the avionics are switched OFF. As a consequence, if I start your 737 manually, even after swithing ON everything, I still have no radios at all. I am forced to press CTRL+E to get my avionics. I believe the 737 in real life has no avionics switch, so I'll have to make a new default flight, but perhaps you'll have to write a short warning about this in your readme file that you will include in the package.
Also, what does the "panel switch" do ? The swith between the "Engine HYD" switches ? 

4- The lights
There is, on the top panel, the "runway turnoff" swithes. I am not sure about what they are supposed to do, and I wonder if they could be reduntant or in conflict with your cabin and instruments lights switches. This should be clarified if possible.


Some screenshots of the test flight around Bowerman. 30% fuel, no passenger, no lugage. 







Cheers,
Stephane.

I landed without using any brakes.
Keep in mind my 737 was almost empty. 30 to 20% fuel, no passengers, and no payload at all. Approach speed ketp around 140 knots, I had enough runway to make a soft landing and then I activated the retro thrust and the plane stopped gently before the end of the runway. I used the brakes for that last 5 seconds, something like that, I didn't really need them.

Bowerman runway is not *that* short.

The GPWS voice volume was a bit higher than the default one, but it was OK. I think...
Yes, the engine sounds are much lower than this GPWS, but the fuel pumps are also quite high volume, so... You can lower the volume of the wav files a little bit I think, it won't hurt.

I thought there was a line in the aircraft.cfg to disable the GPWS, but I was wrong.
Also, I suppose your custom GPWS gauge needs the [GPWS] section in the aircraft.cfg, right ?

For the avionic switch, the problem is that the real 737 doesn't have it.
I think a good solution could be to modify, if you are able to do it, the various generator switches, so that they do not only turn ON the generators, but also turn ON the avionics. In this way, the avionics would be OFF with only the battery, but they would get ON with the APU gen, while the engines are still OFF. Then, during the flight, when the APU GEN is OFF but the engines GENs are ON, the avionics would still be available. What do you think ?

No it would not be a good idea to use this switch. It would be confusing for the user, because of the "ground power" label.

I understand a little bit better your situation. In fact, until now I was thinking that all those switches were assigned to XML gauges that you could edit. But I just had a look into the panel.cfg and I saw that these switches ARE NOT assigned to gauges. I suppose they are assigned to some function directly into the 3D model definition, right ? That's why you cannot assign two functions to them (GEN and AVIONICS). Now I understand.

Then, there is another solution. What about an invisible gauge (only declared in the panel.cfg) that constantly checks the various GENs of the aircraft, and sets the AVIONICS to ON as soon as one of the GENs are ON ? The coding (in human language) would be like this:
Code:

if (APU = ON and APU GEN = ON) or
  (ENG1 = Running and ENG1 GEN = ON) or
  (ENG2 = Running and ENG2 GEN = ON).
  set AVIONICS = ON.
endif.
 

What do you think ?

Daube wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

I think its great and Ill do it ,if you translate that into the whole and single line of the gauge string

Ok, here it goes.
I used an example from a random XML gauge in FSX. It turns ON some light effect (engine flames) when the throttle is above 65%:
Code:

(A:GENERAL ENG1 THROTTLE LEVER POSITION,percent) 65 > (A:LIGHT LOGO,number) 1 < && if{ (>K:TOGGLE_LOGO_LIGHTS) }
 

Then, to make it more readable, I put it on several lines, to show the structure.

Code:

(A:GENERAL ENG1 THROTTLE LEVER POSITION,percent) 65 >
(A:LIGHT LOGO,number) 1 <
&&
if
{ (>K:TOGGLE_LOGO_LIGHTS) }
 

That showed me how to make a IF, and how to make a AND.
Since && means "AND", then I suppose the standard || means "OR".
So I wrote this:

Code:

(APU = ON)(APU GEN = ON)&&
(ENG1 = Running)(GEN1 = ON)&&
||
(ENG2 = Running)(GEN2 = ON) &&
||
if
{set AVIONICS = ON} 

Which, on a single line, gives this:

Code:

(APU = ON) (APU GEN = ON) && (ENG1 = Running) (GEN1 = ON) && || (ENG2 = Running) (GEN2 = ON) && || if{set AVIONICS = ON} 

That's as far as I can go, because I don't know how to get the status of the GEN. Surely, it's something like "(A:GENERAL GEN1.... , number)", and setting the avionics ON would be "(>K:TOGGLE_AVIONICS)"... I suppose....but I think you know much more than me about these FSX functions

even I having trouble to understand that

Code:

<Gauge Name="Automatic avionics">
  <Element>
    <Position X="0" Y="0"/>
       <Image Name="Automatic_avionics_Background.bmp" Bright="Yes"/>
   <Select>
     <Value>
         (A:APU PCT RPM,percent) 10 &gt;
           (A:APU GENERATOR SWITCH,bool) &amp;&amp;
              (A:ENG1 N2 RPM,rpm) 10 &gt;
                (A:General eng1 generator switch,bool) &amp;&amp; ||
               (A:ENG2 N2 RPM,rpm) 10 &gt;
             (A:General eng2 generator switch,bool) &amp;&amp; || if{ 1 (>L:Avionics master switch,bool)}</Value>
          </Select>
      </Element>
   </Gauge> 

not sure about the >L: in avionics  not sure in in nothing

I added a small bmp to make it vissible and still doesn't work, I believe this would have to be a switch like engine generator0 with the conditional avionics master switch

I never been that good in gauges , I have made simply things like the eicas of the citation x  and many of the md83
most of them are text dysplays and hiding screens using and opaque backgrounds using axis and rotating modes


---------------------------------------------

we need to simplify this ,both engines generator (0 and 1) to command one single thing avionics switch.

  I'm trying to modify the modeldef part

    <PartInfo>
        <Name>switch_generator0</Name>
        <Copy>switch_generator</Copy>
        <AnimLength>50</AnimLength>
        <Animation>
            <Parameter>
                <Sim>
                    <Variable>GENERAL ENG GENERATOR SWITCH:1</Variable>
                </Sim>
            </Parameter>
        </Animation>
        <MouseRect>
            <TooltipID>TOOLTIPTEXT_ENG1_GENERATOR_SWITCH</TooltipID>
            <EventID>TOGGLE_ALTERNATOR1</EventID>
        </MouseRect>
    </PartInfo>   

so when you click the generator0 it will also move the avionics On and Off for both... Is that will be Ok?

Stephane ,I manage to fix a part and made the engine generator0 to switch the avionics on and off at the same time
(I got some help in another forum)

I'll be sending it to you soon

Alex

Daube wrote on Feb 6^th, 2012 at 7:17am:


what a cool, you can trip to Germany ,go to UK ,living the life ,while I'm stuck in this God D prison of third world country, Don't you need there in Le France a house keeper cleaning ,a butter, a slave???? hey I can wash dogs and clean their crap ,and I also made aircraft for certain PC game   <---outta topic
back to subject

Code:

  <MouseRect>
      <TooltipID>TOOLTIPTEXT_ENG1_GENERATOR_SWITCH</TooltipID>
      <Cursor>Hand</Cursor>
      <CallbackCode>
          (>K:TOGGLE_ALTERNATOR1)
          (>K:TOGGLE_AVIONICS_MASTER)
      </CallbackCode>
  </MouseRect> 

thanks Bill Leaming!

with this we can have the two things working in one of the generators which I pic the 0 which is the right side engine

Instead of Generator0 it can be in APU switch  or APUstart switch or any other switch YOU want ,it will works along with the avionics switch too once I made the script for them too,It better only one like the APU switch  ,

tell me which one will I turn into a switch with a double function 

Success !!! Finally !! 
The problem, I believe, was that my XML gauge was placed directly in the panel folder of the plane. It seems FSX doesn't like that, and that XML files sould be either in a CAB file or in a subfolder.

So after several modification of the gauge coding, I created a folder "new" in my panel folder, and placed the gauge inside. Then I edited the panel.cfg to change the name of the gauge to "gauge34=new!auto_avionics, 1,1,1,1".

AND IT WORKED !!
Now the avionics turn ON as soon as one of the generators turns ON, but only if the corresponding engine is ON as well So if the plane is cold and dark, and you just switch one of the generators ON, then the avionics stays OFF. But if you switch the APU ON, and the APU GEN ON, then after a second or two (for the APU to be really running) the avionics turn ON as well !! 

Here is the latest version of the coding:
Code:

<Gauge Name="Automatic avionics">
<Element>
<Select>
<Value>(A:GENERAL ENG GENERATOR ACTIVE:1,bool) (A:GENERAL ENG GENERATOR ACTIVE:2,bool) || (A:APU GENERATOR ACTIVE,bool) || if{ 1 (>K:AVIONICS_MASTER_SET) } els{ 0 (>K:AVIONICS_MASTER_SET) }</Value>
</Select>
</Element>
</Gauge> 

I'm going to add this gauge to the CitationX and the MD-83 as well.
Alejandro, if you have not modified your switches yet, then you should include this gauge in the final package. It's really cool to be able to call the ATC without having to press CTRL+E

Oh Stephan my apologies ,I didn't saw the upper post I thought was the Older one from feb7  also I was a little bit exausted I had a lot of work today ...yes on Sunday

very good so Ill export Once again without the switch double work gen0&avionics ,put back the gen0 (like the default model) then I apply your gauge

Hi Alejandro,

Sorry for the late answer, but I'm still in the office, so I can't test yet.
Hopefully I should return home in more or less two hours. Then I'll give a try to your newest archive.
I'm also still working on your readme, by the way.

Cheers,
Stephane.

Its looking good.

And why don't you upload a beta?
Or is it complete?