Post by alrot on Jan 18th, 2012 at 10:08am
what would you add?
please return me the Pic of jpg with the specification and working operation of the lever or button
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Title: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 18th, 2012 at 10:08am what would you add? please return me the Pic of jpg with the specification and working operation of the lever or button |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Boikat on Jan 18th, 2012 at 2:58pm Quote:
Me. Or at least a body. I don't recall which addon it is, but when you flip a switch, raise the gear, or whatever, an animated arm moves into view and flips the switch, raised the gear lever, and so on. (It may only work for gear and flaps though) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by pete on Jan 19th, 2012 at 7:10am
*More room behind ... (maybe a pax cabin)
*Activate existing switches which are dead ;) *APU *GPWS |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Jokerc152 on Jan 19th, 2012 at 1:35pm
I am assuming this is the default aircraft ? :S
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by BlackAce on Jan 19th, 2012 at 2:15pm
FMC.
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Dave71k on Jan 19th, 2012 at 2:36pm
Definitely needs an FMC but that's normally a very complex thing to add in a freeware context you're not going to get something on PMDG standards etc.
Apart from that it would be nice if every switch was switchable even if it just turns a indicator light on and off and has no effect on the aircraft. I've not been in the 737 for a good while mainly been doing long hauls, I'll take it up soon and see if I can think of anything! I'm sure it will be brilliant when your done. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Raoul98 on Jan 19th, 2012 at 4:42pm
First i would improve the cabin announcments. Seatbelts and smokingsign have such a bad tone. Btw does somebody knows a improvement for that??
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 20th, 2012 at 6:29am BlackAce wrote on Jan 19th, 2012 at 2:15pm:
it does have already FMC can't you see? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by BlackAce on Jan 20th, 2012 at 8:59am alrot wrote on Jan 20th, 2012 at 6:29am:
sorry. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Bud Greene on Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:47am
I'm glad you asked Alrot. As a frequent flier of the default 737-800 I find two things especially annoying. The switch in VC for the autobrake is non-functional. In addition I find the redundancy of the EICAS to be a pain. I would love to see the GPS screen in the top-center display and the lower-center display to show the EICAS.
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:39am Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:47am:
This is thew kind of Post I need ,after all its free and fopr the joy of the FS comunity Bud I already fix the autobrake switch ,I'm trying to modified the EICAS with the GPS interface ,also I'm trying to make a switch screens like in real life.. the problem I always found its the language of the default gauges XML code its quite different language that I used to I'm working on it 8-) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Jokerc152 on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:43am
Definitely some kind of FMC ;)
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:57am Jokerc152 wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:43am:
Ok I don't know wh people can't see it,but it already has FMC ;) also Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:47am:
[smiley=laugh.gif]aagghhr errmm cough that doesn't look too good ,we have to stick to the real life 737-800 model we will see what other panel should be there ,and Ill figure how to interface the EICAS with the GPS as a background..like in my Citation X |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Bud Greene on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:35pm alrot wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 11:39am:
Alrot....You rule!! 8-) ;) :) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:40pm
that isn't the default microsoft one... :-?
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by hyperpep111 on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:59pm jetprop wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:40pm:
Fsx has a default FMC :-?. I think that is the freeware honeywell FMC. Am i right Alex? But I have a natural aversion to flying long (boring) hauls with planes that do not have enough "bells and whistles" e.g The Libardo Guzman Concorde has a cabin to go and greet the passengers the Rollus Mirage has lots of buttons to push and lots to play with. 8-) And your citation has buttons to push and passenger views to go into and experience first class service 8-) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 8:01am jetprop wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 6:40pm:
its a replica ,I'm using the textures ,for free, for the good of others and myself, ask not what your FSX can do for you ask what you can do for your FSX 8-) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 1:00pm alrot wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 8:01am:
so you just used textures? so it doesn't have a fmc by default so WHY are you saying to everyone it does? if you still say the default 737 has a FMC i will show you a picture of my default 737... |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:22pm jetprop wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 1:00pm:
what exacly do you NEED to know? and It wasn't my intention to call the Default 737 IT WILL BE THE IMPROVEMENT OF THE DEFAULT 737 that's what I mean I also make switch the screens LCD the knobs are working now too |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:25pm
oh so you are modding it?
oops,should've read more carefully probably... |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:32pm jetprop wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:25pm:
oh God! that word doesn't show in my dictionary :-/ |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by hyperpep111 on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:45pm alrot wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:32pm:
It's slang for "Modify" v. mod·i·fied, mod·i·fy·ing, mod·i·fies v.tr. 1. To change in form or character; alter. I think this is impossible, but can you maybe like make a gauge that like when you click the Fasten seatbelt or No smoking, When you go into the cabin (if you are making one and I totally accept if you don't want to) it shows up on a screen at the front of the cabin :D. Can you please get back to me? ;) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:51pm hyperpep111 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 4:45pm:
yes it can be done and that in particular its very easy 8-) but I'm still not sure if to add a cabin yet , a cabin will make more extra weight to the system (more poligons) besides I have no clue how is that cabin ,Ive seen a lot pic in airliners.net but it doesn't show the area of the main door and the division in that area .. let see how it goes ,believe it or not this things its harder than you might think :o |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by fcerven on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 5:58pm
Great to see someone has the talent and interest to upgrade the default FSX 737 panel. Here are my suggestions over and above those already submitted.
The HSI controls to the left of the autopilot could use improvement. When you press the buttons for airports, Vor, NDB, TCA, etc. They should all show, not just the one selected. The autopilot should have a backcourse (BC) button. If not already asked for, the Smith FMC should be added to the panel. The overhead panel could have more systems activated and intergrated to allow some startup simulation. And lastly, can we get windshield wipers? Am looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Just another request. Could you also do this for the 747. It needs this more than the 737. Thanks a million. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 8:04pm fcerven wrote on Jan 22nd, 2012 at 5:58pm:
Good Post !,this is the kind of post I need :) I already set and fmc ,It also have wipers ,many buttoms and swiches are now working in the upperpanel (still many to figure it out what they do ,I'm looking where is the Avionics master switch??) You also gave me and Idea to what to add It will be the BC button thanks ;) I was about to post another Pic but I don't want to fill the thread with too many Jpgs the gauge HSI display system control ,I think works well already please take a look the previews pics and watch it closely |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 5:17am
Alejandro, about the wipers: Do you think you could add some rain effect to this 737 ?
I'm thinking about a texture that would appear on the windows when it's raining. If the wipers are OFF, then you show a semi-transparent texture that is hard to see-through. If the wipers are ON (no matter the speed), then you show a semi-transparent texture which is clean in the area where the wipers pass. This was done like that in the Goose by Lynn and Bill Lyons back in the FS9 days for example. Also in the Super Frelon helicopter by Dirk Fassbender for FSX. I think this effect could be achieved with a simple gauge. What do you think ? That would be great for immersion. And since you made the wipers functionnal, it would be nice to make them usefull as well :) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 7:41am
Le Stephane
I would have to see how that texture works in some of the old FS9 ,I see that in 2d panel shows in FSX that effect ,I'm not so sure if it can be applied in the VC Do you know where is the avionics switch you told me ,where shoulld I put it ? You need to tell me above all where should I put these things ,the guy above is right ,we need to make and entire cold start up simulation ,I think is completed in the md-83 the Slat panel in the Upper Console ,that's how it comes in the default gauges ,Its not working properly Alex |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 10:55am
I have answered you PM for the avionics, take a look at the video I linked as well ;)
Basically, it seems the avionics will turn on automatically as soon as your APU GEN is set to ON. Concerning the rain effect, I don't know if it's possible to use the default one at all. I'm not a modeller so I don't know the techniques very well, but what I've seen in the past consisted in two solutions: - the windows were in fact panels, on which you can display gauges. Here, instead of displaying a classic gauge with numbers and needles etc... you just display a picture showing some water drops, or anything that blocks the vision of the pilot. Then, when the wipers are turned ON, the texture gets replaced by another one, similar but with a clean part where the wipers pass. - a 3D flat object was standing in front of the window. This object showed the same texture as above... basically it's the same technique, excepted that you display the "wet window gauge" on this object instead of showing it directly on the window... |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 11:22am Forget about the VC rain :o when Bill L said Its impossible its because it is :o http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120921 |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 1:50pm
Alejandro, the default rain effect is not possible.
But a custom rain effect is. As I said, look for example at the Super Puma from Dirk Fassbender: It's not animated rain like the default FS9 one (I wish). It's a fix image but it's enough to make the usage of wipers mandatory. When the wipers are OFF, then the texture doesn't have that transparent part in the middle anymore, you almost can't see through. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:21pm
THAT GUY ITS A GENIOUS!!
My eyes are burning I can't find this trick yet [code c] <PartInfo> <Name>Rain</Name> <AnimLength>100</AnimLength> <Visibility> <Parameter> <Code>(A:AMBIENT PRECIP STATE4, bool)</Code> </Parameter> </Visibility> </PartInfo>[/code] |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:37pm
and to those who say its impossible:remember that payware albatros lotus sim made?
one of the features is a rain effect... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwmbFJPB0Cc you probably wouldn't get permision to use it,but it proves:its possible! |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by andy190 on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:44pm
I have a silly question Alrot.
Are you modifying the default fsx 737 VC or are you making a new one that looks like the default? Also if you are modifying the default don't you need the source files? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:49pm andy190 wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:44pm:
I made the whole thing and I'm just using the textures 8-) jetprop wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:37pm:
:o wow what a video ,looks like a movie (I can't understand how FLIGHT could be better) ;D to use what? the code? these are obviously entire script parts ,and they have a way better brain than me at this moment ,If I would have the brain and the knowledge I wouldn't ask permition to no buddy to do that I'm not even looking the rain effect I'm looking something much more easy Something that shows when only rains and this not working either :'( Code:
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:52pm alrot wrote on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 4:49pm:
did you try making some gauges that,when its raining it gets activated and when the whipers are on they show the transparant part? probably a stupid idea by me. ::) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 23rd, 2012 at 5:04pm
these ain't gauges my friend :( these are textures applied to parts inside 3dmax or gmax,and that textures are animated by a sequence and type of rain few a lot,and snow that's a lot of work even if I could do it
that vanish when its not raining ,and THAT's something I can't figure it out I need to create a part that shows up when it rains in the sim Look at the Simviation this name Dirk Fassbender and download the chopper that Daube told me and see that nice effect I'm going to request to the Mods to please move this thread to Aircraft and Design area ----------------------------------------- Edit: Thanks Pete :) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 24th, 2012 at 1:42pm Hey Daube!! ;) http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1327462498.jpg :-/ Now the second part the conditional = {if} if wipers are on show the cleaned area :( |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 24th, 2012 at 2:07pm
doing a good job there mate. (what accent is this?australian?because i speak english in a cork(county in south ireland) accent. ;D)
and how did you do it? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 24th, 2012 at 4:43pm I can't believe I actually did it!!! I did it yipheeewww!! :D ;D Ok Daube I need you to test this too, hello out there |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by andy190 on Jan 24th, 2012 at 6:04pm
Well done Alrot. ;)
alrot wrote Yesterday at 10:49am: Quote:
Just one word for that Alrot. WOW! :o When did you start? I have a suggestion for you for the vc. Even if a switch doesn't do anything it would be cool if it was animated. Also does the rain texture hurt the frame rate? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Jan 24th, 2012 at 6:11pm
I have answered your PM Alejandro.
Here are two shots to show that the effect works correctly. First I flew below the clouds, it was rainning and the rain texture was showing properly: Then I climbed above the clouds, the rain stopped, and the windows got clean :) Last remark, about the interior lights: - during night, it works normally. - during dusk (and perhaps day, I didn't test), the light doesn't work, but some instruments are showing the night texture nevertheless. For example, the FMC, and some instruments in the center of the panel. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 24th, 2012 at 6:15pm
:o wow I love the shots BTW
Beneath the Pfd and MDF screens! Shephane there is the panel Light switch you need to turn it off and there's the cabin light switch too,Its now manually controlled also that Aint going to be the final rain effects ,I was making the trick ;) Of course it will be improved also the wipers are going to be a little bit bigger 8-) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Jan 24th, 2012 at 7:04pm
I know about the switches Alejandro.
The fact is that in my last picture, it's not night yet, not for the simulator at least. As a consequence, when I click on the "instrument lights" (the one of the left), the FMC and the round gauges in the middle of the panel show night texures, but the rest of the cockpit still shows day textures. Also, the "light" itself doesn't work in that case. But if I wait for the evening, then everything works fine. Instrument light illuminates, panel shows night textures, and instruments show night textures. The problem really only occurs shortly before the evening, when it's starting to get dark but it's not the evening yet. |
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Title: A little bit disapointed! Post by alrot on Jan 25th, 2012 at 1:55pm I just found out that the real 737-800 has a panel that does noot look anything like the one FSX default 737-800 is http://www.airliners.net/photo/Thomson-Airways/Boeing-737-8K5/1965745/L/&sid=26857e50c04555c407148ed933301cac http://www.airliners.net/photo/Ryanair/Boeing-737-8AS/2022561/L/&sid=26857e50c04555c407148ed933301cac http://www.airliners.net/photo/Jetairfly-%28TUI-Airlines/Boeing-737-8K5/1983818/L/&sid=26857e50c04555c407148ed933301cac the top panel where is the Autopilot controls specifically.. :( this wasn't in my plans but I think I will have to make things a little bit more realistic why did they put those large switches ? did the 737-800 wasn't in 2006? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 25th, 2012 at 2:34pm
from what i can see its pretty decent exept the autopilot and the gauges themselves,their layout seems fine.
edit: i found this... http://i.pbase.com/g6/04/645104/2/75810946.omngRIi7.jpg http://www.aircraft.5u.com/images/7384.jpg so its ONLY the autopilot section realy... i think it depends on what is used by the customer. ;) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 25th, 2012 at 4:42pm jetprop wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 2:34pm:
you have no idea how good it would be if You'd found a real life similar panel..it'd REALLY help me ,I would have to modified the gauge, and that gauge xml is the type coded in a strange different language that is hard for me to figure it out ,so I would have to write a new entire gauge [smiley=undecided.gif] gauge and I really don't want to do that ,I can't see the links jetpro ,One said Forbither and the other said was removed :-? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:03pm alrot wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 4:42pm:
let me save them as images and upload them to simv. edit:done http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1327612819.jpg http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1327566845.jpg |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:15pm :)thank you jetpro! this one is more similar to the one in FSX please see your PM ;) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:18pm alrot wrote on Jan 25th, 2012 at 5:15pm:
btw,i will try and find a better shot of the autopilot,but tommorow since its late over here... i quickly found one. its easy to find: google: 737-800 cockpit autopilot. should be on the second or third page,if not,fourth. |
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Title: I'm going to need help with the GPWS Post by alrot on Jan 27th, 2012 at 7:40am I have try one from simv's library, its made for fs2004 ad it doesn't work for me all the videos on youtube of my md-83 has it ,even some of the citation x has it ,every one set up this Ground Proximity Warning System and I don't now where and which version they're using :-[ Alex |
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Title: Re: I'm going to need help with the GPWS Post by jetprop on Jan 27th, 2012 at 9:59am alrot wrote on Jan 27th, 2012 at 7:40am:
let me do a search for FSX... |
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Title: Re: I'm going to need help with the GPWS Post by hyperpep111 on Jan 27th, 2012 at 10:27am jetprop wrote on Jan 27th, 2012 at 9:59am:
Try this one It's for Airbus though. But also, Can you post a link to one of those video's you are referring to? ;) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 27th, 2012 at 12:17pm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqIvROvgRcI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0XOLN_aqfI there are many videos ..most of them saids thank you to the people of Microsoft for doing the FSX ,thank to John Doe for the scenery ,for my dog who inspire me the video ,for Boeing to Buy Mc Douglas and make the Md-83 ,for the fly that just stood in my monitors, they always thanks everything except the idiot who made the aircraft ,some of them goes further and thanks to Package by Juan Carlos Chavez to make this wonderful aircraft this dude its being posting my airplane and claims he made it ,its in Fligthsim.com ,obviously another violation of my work as usual ::) ---------------------------------------------- I just change the subject sorry I have the same files but with the Boeing voice ,I can't make it work |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 30th, 2012 at 9:22am The New Upgraded FSX 737-800 its finish ,I will be "Upgraded FSX 737-800" I don't know what else to add :-/ I'm now trying to use and auto Installation compiler (ClickTeam Pro) ,looking a way to this software back up the original files in a single extra folder ,I need to back up the originals B737_800_interior.MDL, panel, texture folder ,aircraft.cfg etc why auto Install ? because I know how people are ,if they had trouble placing a folder (FSND-MD-83, or Citation x )in a stupid folder SimObjects\Airplanes\ I can't imagine how would be to place things in main sound folder ,main gauge folder and backing up the files , the original files has to be saved any ideas would be appreciated Alex |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Jan 31st, 2012 at 7:05am
I'm lacking a little bit of free time on my side to test your B737 cockpit further.
If the roads here don't get blocked by the snow tonight, I'll try to get home soon enough to finish the tests. I'm mainly concerned about the electric systems, as I told you already. It's nothing much though, I just want to verify a thing or two and provide my final feedback. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 31st, 2012 at 2:00pm but hey!!!! :o that version you have is obsolete now |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by pete on Jan 31st, 2012 at 2:19pm
Hey Alex
I don't think you can provide an installer that will do all this I think you have to TELL people to backup the original 737 interior model (or provide it inside the file) and also TELL people any other files to backup. Then I think you may be able to provide the installer but I suspect it is complicated to install into many directories --BUT ... it may be better to simply provide install instructions for manual install. It is not that complicated. (self install is great when it works but can this be done?) I don't think anyone will really want the originals after your upgrade. You are only adding things - not taking anything away .. :) ... but nio big deal if they do -- we can always provide backups here if they want them ... |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Jan 31st, 2012 at 4:49pm pete wrote on Jan 31st, 2012 at 2:19pm:
I'm still working on the auto install Pete :-/ you know how people are some times that thing damage my original files Bla Bla Bla I'm just looking a way to reverse the whole thing and put the whole thing back the way it was on the other hand If they install manually ,If they ask me via Email (Funny I made a Support forum for that and its the less place people use not even here in this forum) they just ask me via email ,that the airplane doesn't show? ,that how do they install it? ,that what to do with the zip file? what is a zip? ,a lot of people these day doesn't know to place a single folder in Airplanes folder .. Imagine the main sound folder files and main gauge folder for the GPWS ,and what if they don't know how to back up all the files? :o there also some textures that will have to be modified I'm still studying the Clickteam software if it doesn't do what I want ,Ill have no choice will be manually :'( Alex |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Hagar on Jan 31st, 2012 at 5:17pm alrot wrote on Jan 31st, 2012 at 4:49pm:
Alex. I haven't tried the current version of the Clickteam Install Creator but I have used it in the past. Unless they've drastically changed it the software works by overwriting existing files, in exactly the same way as extracting a zipfile to a specific location. The only difference is that it has an optional Uninstall feature. This could obviously cause problems if it removed default files. I don't think it will do what you want. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by BrandonF on Feb 1st, 2012 at 5:09pm
It depends on the size of the originals I guess, but maybe you could have a "restore default" exe that reinstalls the default 737 cockpit files?
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 4:10pm
Alejandro, what are the final fixes that you could include in the cockpit ?
I know the version you gave me is not recent enough anymore, however it had quite a lot of problems in the gauges: - the number of Ampere falls down to zero when you deactivate the APU, even if engines are running and engine generators are ON. - the "runway turnoff" switch acts as cabin switch and it also activates the logo light - the logo light switch has no effect - the taxi lights switch has no effect - the wing lights have no effect - the gauge displaying the slats+flaps position doesn't work, excepted the for the "test" button. That's all I could spot while seating at the gate. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 2nd, 2012 at 10:33pm
Ok Stephane Logo and taxi are issues in the exterior model (all the defaul aircraft does not have the attachpoint taxi = FX_landing_light, and so the wing light and Logo ,remember Its only the VC those light are outside and should have parts also add it as visible FX attachpoint
the gauges are also in the same pack of Unfinished FSX things ,all those problem comes from th original gauge B737-800.cab, its a strange and complex xml codes , If it would be written in the normal and conventional model ,I would fix then and add parts but that's the whole I can do , for example the slap panel has and entire bitmaps,like 20 bitmaps, to do ONe thing test on and off :'( 200 lines and all they express its this (L:LE Devices Test,bool) <--this mean test on and off I can add extra working gauges from other FSX aircraft or one of those many freeware aircraft (Mines md83,citation included) but to be honest that's in this case the far I can do .. I been very busy these day ,Tomorrow Ill resume the last stage of this project and I have to work in those night light panel texture to darker a little bit more Alex edit : I will try to fix at least the slap panel ,I thin I know how 8-) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 7:55pm
Hi Alejandro,
I received you PM. Tomorrow I'll have time to do the tests you asked, so I'll provide you some feedback. Concerning the lights, I understand that it's just like landing lights: they are attached to the 3D model instead of being defined in the aircraft.cfg. However, I wonder if some simple taxi lights could be added simply by editing the aircraft.cfg. Concerning the problem with the gauges language, I know what you're talking about. I've been trying to mess into some gauges in the past, for example to fix the engine starters of some FS9 plane that do not start properly in FSX... and that was just impossible. I hate this 'post-fix' programming language :-/ Cheers, Stephane. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 8:24pm
I fixed sort of the slat panel ;)
but lines like this <ExpressionResult>1.000</ExpressionResult> you do have </Expression>twice expressions or like <Case id="Case"></Case> :-/ what case? I mean don't get me wrong ,I sure its better than the ordinary language ,but its so strange and different :P It can't be add it from the aircraft.cfg I mean the taxi light probably the wing, Nav and Logo could be add it from aircraft.cfg but you forgot about the WING FLEX ANIMATION ;) if you place those light they will be outside of the wing when the airplane its in the air ,That's why I made a special part to my airplanes ,a visible specific all of them attached as visible FX that moves with the wing FSX has all the tools to be perfect ,but I think they were rushing when they release those airplanes |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:23am
Indeed Alejandro, the wingflex will prevent you from adding those "wing lights"... Anyways, I'm not even sure what those "wing lights" are.... I noticed that the "navigation lights" will trigger both the gree+green lights, and some white lights on the back of the wingtip... perhaps those are the wing lights, and by mistake they react to the navigation lights button ? Ah well, it's fine as it is.
I could make my tests this morning. Here are the conclusions: 1- The slats panel It works now, but there are still some mistakes. The test button for example, doesn't work at all anymore. Also, the central yellow lights are ON when you are on the second crank of flaps, but they switch OFF when you deploy the flaps more. This should be the contrary, they should be OFF when the flaps are only 5 to 15 degrees, and they should turn ON when the flaps are more than 20 degrees. 2- The GPSW It works very well, but as you said the default FSX GPSW must be turned OFF first, because you can hear both of them when you are flying. The default GPWS can be turned OFF from the aircraft.cfg, there's a line for this if I remember correctly. Also, I confirm that my sim crashes as soon as I try to reload the aircraft, just like you said. 3- The electric system In my default flight, the avionics are switched OFF. As a consequence, if I start your 737 manually, even after swithing ON everything, I still have no radios at all. I am forced to press CTRL+E to get my avionics. I believe the 737 in real life has no avionics switch, so I'll have to make a new default flight, but perhaps you'll have to write a short warning about this in your readme file that you will include in the package. Also, what does the "panel switch" do ? The swith between the "Engine HYD" switches ? :-? 4- The lights There is, on the top panel, the "runway turnoff" swithes. I am not sure about what they are supposed to do, and I wonder if they could be reduntant or in conflict with your cabin and instruments lights switches. This should be clarified if possible. Some screenshots of the test flight around Bowerman. 30% fuel, no passenger, no lugage. 8-) Cheers, Stephane. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Feb 4th, 2012 at 8:18am
just wondering but,can a 737-800 land at bowerman IRL?
if no,maybe you could decrease braking,that is a problem with most aircraft. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 4th, 2012 at 9:11am
I landed without using any brakes.
Keep in mind my 737 was almost empty. 30 to 20% fuel, no passengers, and no payload at all. Approach speed ketp around 140 knots, I had enough runway to make a soft landing and then I activated the retro thrust and the plane stopped gently before the end of the runway. I used the brakes for that last 5 seconds, something like that, I didn't really need them. Bowerman runway is not *that* short. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 4th, 2012 at 9:16am Daube wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:23am:
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:56pm
The GPWS voice volume was a bit higher than the default one, but it was OK. I think...
Yes, the engine sounds are much lower than this GPWS, but the fuel pumps are also quite high volume, so... You can lower the volume of the wav files a little bit I think, it won't hurt. I thought there was a line in the aircraft.cfg to disable the GPWS, but I was wrong. Also, I suppose your custom GPWS gauge needs the [GPWS] section in the aircraft.cfg, right ? For the avionic switch, the problem is that the real 737 doesn't have it. I think a good solution could be to modify, if you are able to do it, the various generator switches, so that they do not only turn ON the generators, but also turn ON the avionics. In this way, the avionics would be OFF with only the battery, but they would get ON with the APU gen, while the engines are still OFF. Then, during the flight, when the APU GEN is OFF but the engines GENs are ON, the avionics would still be available. What do you think ? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 4th, 2012 at 2:10pm Daube wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 12:56pm:
actually there are only four ,One for each engine four for 747s and airplanes like that a binary function in one switch ,Let me see if I can do that :-/ , Just to make sure you want one of the generator switch to Work? there is one that is not doing anything we could make it avionic ,remember ,FSX sdk is not thinking that the Boeing 737 does not have avionics switch |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:30pm
No it would not be a good idea to use this switch. It would be confusing for the user, because of the "ground power" label.
I understand a little bit better your situation. In fact, until now I was thinking that all those switches were assigned to XML gauges that you could edit. But I just had a look into the panel.cfg and I saw that these switches ARE NOT assigned to gauges. I suppose they are assigned to some function directly into the 3D model definition, right ? That's why you cannot assign two functions to them (GEN and AVIONICS). Now I understand. Then, there is another solution. What about an invisible gauge (only declared in the panel.cfg) that constantly checks the various GENs of the aircraft, and sets the AVIONICS to ON as soon as one of the GENs are ON ? The coding (in human language) would be like this: Code:
What do you think ? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:22pm
oh and BTW daube.
the last shot looks good. ;) (off-topic,i know) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 4th, 2012 at 4:44pm Daube wrote on Feb 4th, 2012 at 3:30pm:
I think its great and Ill do it ,if you translate that into the whole and single line of the gauge string :-/ |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 4th, 2012 at 5:15pm
I'll try this.
Just let me some minutes, to familiarize with that horrible syntax again... |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 4th, 2012 at 5:32pm
Ok, here it goes.
I used an example from a random XML gauge in FSX. It turns ON some light effect (engine flames) when the throttle is above 65%: Code:
Then, to make it more readable, I put it on several lines, to show the structure. Code:
That showed me how to make a IF, and how to make a AND. Since && means "AND", then I suppose the standard || means "OR". So I wrote this: Code:
Which, on a single line, gives this: Code:
That's as far as I can go, because I don't know how to get the status of the GEN. Surely, it's something like "(A:GENERAL GEN1.... , number)", and setting the avionics ON would be "(>K:TOGGLE_AVIONICS)"... I suppose....but I think you know much more than me about these FSX functions :) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 4th, 2012 at 7:09pm
I went further with my studying of the gauge coding.
I made a try, by looking at the various variables, how to read this or that etc... So in the end, I tried creating a gauge... but unfortunately, it didn't work. I made several modifications but there is something wrong in my conditions. Sometimes the avionics are always ON, sometimes always OFF... it doesn't take the engine+gen status correctly into account. I'm sure it's a stupid mistake hidden somewhere, but it's 01:08 AM here, and my brain cannot work anymore.... Here is the XML code I created. I hope you can use it as a valid base and make it work after some corrections. Code:
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 5th, 2012 at 9:06am
even I having trouble to understand that
Code:
not sure about the >L: in avionics :-/ not sure in in nothing :P I added a small bmp to make it vissible and still doesn't work, I believe this would have to be a switch like engine generator0 with the conditional avionics master switch I never been that good in gauges , I have made simply things like the eicas of the citation x and many of the md83 most of them are text dysplays and hiding screens using and opaque backgrounds using axis and rotating modes --------------------------------------------- we need to simplify this ,both engines generator (0 and 1) to command one single thing avionics switch. I'm trying to modify the modeldef part <PartInfo> <Name>switch_generator0</Name> <Copy>switch_generator</Copy> <AnimLength>50</AnimLength> <Animation> <Parameter> <Sim> <Variable>GENERAL ENG GENERATOR SWITCH:1</Variable> </Sim> </Parameter> </Animation> <MouseRect> <TooltipID>TOOLTIPTEXT_ENG1_GENERATOR_SWITCH</TooltipID> <EventID>TOGGLE_ALTERNATOR1</EventID> </MouseRect> </PartInfo> so when you click the generator0 it will also move the avionics On and Off for both... Is that will be Ok? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 6th, 2012 at 4:15am
Hi Alejandro,
Sorry for the delay in answering, yesterday I've been driving to Germany where I'll spend the whole week, which means I won't be able to test anything during this week (away from my gaming computer :-/ ). A gauge doesn't need to be visible to be active. Instead of assigning the "avionics" function to the GEN buttons, I've was trying to make a silent gauge that just checks in the background the status of the various systems and decides if the avionics should be ON or OFF. I'm using the same technique than the "RealEngine" gauges, if you see what I'm talking about. These gauges are invisible, but they constantly check what you are doing to decide if some failures should be triggered. They are all in XML and they are a great source of information for learning how to get the the various statuses of the plane systems. In my case, I was trying to write in this gauge that the avionics should be activated if one of the engines was running and its GEN was ON. In this way, if the user would just activate the APU and the APU GEN, then he would see the avionics getting activated automatically. Not only with the APU, but also with the engine 1 or the engine 2. But I failed to implement the check condition correctly. I think I'll create a topic about this on one of the french forums to ask for advises. Then I'll come back to you. If I succeed to do that, then you will not need to modify any button in the cockpit at all. I'll keep you updated about this. Cheers, Stephane. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 6th, 2012 at 7:06am Stephane ,I manage to fix a part and made the engine generator0 to switch the avionics on and off at the same time (I got some help in another forum) I'll be sending it to you soon Alex |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 6th, 2012 at 7:17am
Alejandro, I will not have access to FSX for the full week ;)
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 6th, 2012 at 9:33am Daube wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 7:17am:
:D what a cool, you can trip to Germany ,go to UK ,living the life ,while I'm stuck in this God D prison of third world country, Don't you need there in Le France a house keeper cleaning ,a butter, a slave???? hey I can wash dogs and clean their crap ,and I also made aircraft for certain PC game :-[ <---outta topic :P back to subject Code:
thanks Bill Leaming! with this we can have the two things working in one of the generators which I pic the 0 which is the right side engine |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 6th, 2012 at 10:44am
Hmm... but then, don't you lose the avionics if that particular engine is switched off ?
Also, that means that the user will have to switch that engine GEN, even if he is just sitting at the gate with only the APU running. I have created a topic concerning my gauge on another forum. I'll wait for the answers and report here. I believe that you don't need to modify these buttons, but I could be wrong. Anyways, this issue got me curious, and now I just want to know how this is supposed to work :) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:23am Instead of Generator0 it can be in APU switch or APUstart switch or any other switch YOU want ,it will works along with the avionics switch too once I made the script for them too,It better only one like the APU switch , tell me which one will I turn into a switch with a double function 8-) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 7th, 2012 at 4:33am
As you wish Alejandro.
I still investigating about the gauge itself though, because such a gauge would be very convenient and easy to transfer to other planes like your Citation and MD-83 for example, with a simple additionnal line in the panel.cfg. And as I said, I'm know really curious to understand how theses gauge work. I NEED to know :D ;D |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 12th, 2012 at 11:33am
Success !!! Finally !! :o :D
The problem, I believe, was that my XML gauge was placed directly in the panel folder of the plane. It seems FSX doesn't like that, and that XML files sould be either in a CAB file or in a subfolder. So after several modification of the gauge coding, I created a folder "new" in my panel folder, and placed the gauge inside. Then I edited the panel.cfg to change the name of the gauge to "gauge34=new!auto_avionics, 1,1,1,1". AND IT WORKED !! Now the avionics turn ON as soon as one of the generators turns ON, but only if the corresponding engine is ON as well :) So if the plane is cold and dark, and you just switch one of the generators ON, then the avionics stays OFF. But if you switch the APU ON, and the APU GEN ON, then after a second or two (for the APU to be really running) the avionics turn ON as well !! :) Here is the latest version of the coding: Code:
I'm going to add this gauge to the CitationX and the MD-83 as well. Alejandro, if you have not modified your switches yet, then you should include this gauge in the final package. It's really cool to be able to call the ATC without having to press CTRL+E :D |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 12th, 2012 at 12:49pm
Guess what ? The Citation has already a real Avionics switch on the lower panel ;D
Ah well, at least I could make a nice little test flight again with it :) I'm off to post the screenshots now. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 12th, 2012 at 7:15pm Oh Stephan my apologies ,I didn't saw the upper post I thought was the Older one from feb7 :D also I was a little bit exausted I had a lot of work today ...yes on Sunday :-[ very good so Ill export Once again without the switch double work gen0&avionics ,put back the gen0 (like the default model) then I apply your gauge |
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Title: LE DAAAAAAUUUUUUBEEEE where are you? Post by alrot on Feb 13th, 2012 at 8:42am
I should known your email :-/, I need you to check the update version like the way you told me buddy!!
Hello!! J'ai besoin d'essayer le nouveau modèle selon vos instructions |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 13th, 2012 at 12:17pm
Hi Alejandro,
Sorry for the late answer, but I'm still in the office, so I can't test yet. Hopefully I should return home in more or less two hours. Then I'll give a try to your newest archive. I'm also still working on your readme, by the way. ;) Cheers, Stephane. |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by Daube on Feb 13th, 2012 at 4:57pm
Hi again Alejandro.
Two good news for me :) 1- I have sent you a PM with the new readme file. Please check if it's ok like that. 2- I could test the latest version of the cockpit, and I confirm everything works perfectly :) Additionnaly, I have to tell you that the new cockpit textures/lighting is really fantastic, compared to what it was before ! I absolutely love it ! :D Here are some screenshots to show how the cockpit will look like at night with the new lights: 1- no lights at all 2- only instrument lights 3- only cabin light 4- cabin + instrument lights Excellent work ! Oh, I tested the avionics again and it works correctly ;) |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by jetprop on Feb 13th, 2012 at 5:08pm
Its looking good. 8-)
And why don't you upload a beta? Or is it complete? |
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Title: Re: If you'd have a chance to replicate and add things to the VC of the 737-800? Post by alrot on Feb 13th, 2012 at 5:24pm
I'll take these pics and included in the final release :D,I will interrupt the upload so don't download at this moment
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