A repaint traditionally is only the exterior view of the aircraft, the VC is an integral part of the model and nothing to do with repainting...

Actually, I know of a number of fsx "native" aircraft that don't have vc's. Can you post a link/links to which/examples of plane(s) you are having trouble with .

no, i dont have any specific problems. any so called FSX compatibles that arent I uninstall. Its just a hassle. I do appreciate what people do, but maybe it is my professional IT background that objects to people posting stuff that isnt what it seems. It is really quite simple; if it hasnt a VC it isnt FSX compatible. So please SAY so. also dont do anything with scenery that breaks things like progressive taxi, Vectoring etc. perfectly reasonable request. whether I have posted anything myself isnt relevant at this point.

I've been running into kinda of the same problems tho a tad bit different , not just this site either but a few others as well let me explain: for example - last week, I spent the better part of say 10 hours just playing Aircraft Mechanic on some of the Aircraft I've downloaded , some of which clearly stated they were for FSX Compatibility but were from FS2004 - OK, fine i'll try it,,, and I go and Manually install the aircraft - fire up the sim - (usually a propliner) , and take a look at it - well well,, wouldn't ya know it - the creator has the PROP textures wrong in the wrong format - usually its the "Prop Blurr" texture located within the Aircrafts Texture folder itself and I find it was saved in some format NOT compatible for "FSX"  then I end up fixing that particular "PROP BLURR" texture by swapping it with another like TEXTURE from another Aircraft in my FSX Sim or in my Huge Hanger ( which have 780 aircraft) on CD Disk in storage as back ups !! swapping usually works from 1 texture to another - as long as you name the New File TEXTURE the same as the one your going to replace and its been properly saved in the right Format , I check some of this by using the program known as DXT1 Bitmap Converter or my Aircraft repainter program or my Paint Shop Professional paint software program which any of these will tell me what Texture the file in Question is saved in.  Also, I been notice some outside textures not saved in the right format , that are 2004's supposedly ported over for FSX. Just recently 2 weeks ago I download an Aircraft ( you'll love this now)  - that was supposedly slated for FSX but was a 2004 Aircraft that used BITMAP textures ( which is fine with DX10 turned off) - well,, I tore apart the aircraft texture folder after downloading it and appartently the creator ( he probably didn't know) had tried to take the BITMAP textures and just turn them into DDS Textures , thinking that'd make it FSX Compatible , ya well, it doesn't Quite work that way really,,, but it was fun to load up anyway and watch all the funny things happen to the outside of the aircraft because FSX reads those Files differently than other BITMAPs when they are left in that type of file format it was strange alright , I ended up deleting it out of my AIRCRAFT folder in FSX Completely tho,,, for anybody who'sd intersteaded tho - spend some time in many of your "Aircrafts TEXTURE" folders 1 evening,,,, open them up - look at the difference how a BITMAP is worked and designed and how a DDS file is designed , quite a big difference really,,, tho a BITMAP TEXTURE will work fine with FSX  if its "SAVED", by the Creator / Designer in the PROPER Format - now that could range from being a DXT3 texture or a DXT1 Texture or even a DXT5 texture - or get into 888-5 textures  just depends !!!  Another thing thing when swapping Testures for Repairing Aircraft from 1 Aircraft to another Aircraft is try to make sure that the file sizes your going to Swap are the "SAME SIZE" ,,, and what I mean in particular is the same Size as the one your going to replace - example is say a :1024 x 1024 texture file ,, don't try to swap a texture file thats like 710 x 980 with a 1024 x 1024 , it won't display properly most generally on the aircraft and make sure its saved in the right format - HOW do you tell this & find this out ???? Well - go look at some textures of your other Aircraft in the folders - open them up click on them and see,, use a texture converter if need be - get the story the FACTS of what your going to be working with 1st hand - don't GUESS or Assume wildly , you'll end up Frustrated & Disappointed with the results displayed on your aircraft !! Its like building a Radial Aircraft Engine , you just don't throw any part on anywhere and hope for the best - it'll FAIL everytime  !!  I spent a better part of a Whole year learning as much as I could about file structures and formats all the types , how their saved etc,  and sometimes I still get stumped and have to delete a whole file and either make a new one from scratch or hunt one down from another Aircraft and thats what I spend a lot of time doing , is searching for All kinds of Aircraft for parts mainly to be used on some of my FSX Aircraft , believe it or NOT it actually works , I've saved a lotta Aircraft this way by learning to SWAP textures and other files like CFG files and sound files. I'm kinda like that Big Ol' Junk Yard out in Arizona / California I got all kinds of parts from all kinds of Aircraft and their ALL saved on CD Disks  a huge storage container now , some are old some are New - Jets, propliners , military , civilian, expermental , never know when ya might need one of those parts ???   I also have REAL Aircraft parts hanging around my Shop here , like that 12 foot long Prop laying down on my shop floor off some ol' WW-II Bomber in perfect shape all polished out and some old Wooden prop that Howard gave my grandpa when he worked for Howard back in the 1940's era - I gots all kinds of parts - and I just hang around and Flight Sim all day & night till the wee hours of the morning or download Aircraft to tinker with them or fix em' or repaint them ,, and take em' for a Test Flight after I'm done with them. Anyway things aren't always perfect, but they can be fixed with time & patientence !! which I'm short of sometimes ! Now, I'm gonna go jump in my 4 engine propliner sitting out back with 4 Huge radial Engines and go up for a Spin and eat some AV Fuel for a while - anybody wanna go with me ????  Safe & Happy Flying ~~ !! the Jetranger 

Cusance wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 3:46pm:


constructive comments welcome anytime ,keep in mind that while people can create things for free, for the joy of others  it usually Looks easy in the point of view who those who has never made a repaint ,a scenery add-on or and airplane ,But believe me ..Its very hard trust me..

It can take many many hours days and years sometimes to make a single airplane

There would be

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  Microsoft Flight Simulator series as we know it today if it wasn't for freeware add-on developers , so this is why people with the knowledge of this business Like our web master concerns about comments like yours

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in the first place  instead to be frustrated, feel lucky to find people that does a job for free for you , that has digg in this photoshop and learn how to do that , just for free

Alex

Jetranger wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 3:53pm:


That's about all I got out of your rant. Didn't we just go thru this awhile ago ?

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Can you image the rants if they was talking about payware that didn't suit them

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It's been there for years ...

..... it usually Looks easy in the point of view who those who has never made a repaint ,a scenery add-on or and airplane ,But believe me ..Its very hard trust me..

It can take many many hours days and years sometimes to make a single airplane....
yes i am aware of this. i have made many hence my annoyance with people who do shoddy work. it doesnt help anyone. go learn a bit more instead.
As to the other comments, I have not found one plane in the FSX I bought from microsoft that did not have a VC.
i never had 2004 so cant comment on that, or even what an upgrade from 2004 to FSX provides. however you are missing the point;
i dont care that it hasnt a VC, but just SAY SO. And dont call it FSX compatible. without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.
And dont frig with settings and scenery that renders features in FSX inoperable. that doesnt please anyone either. thats a bit like providing a socalled photographic scenery, where its always 'summer' rendering winter setting from Microsoft inoperable.  basic stuff I think.

Can you image the rants if they was talking about payware that didn't suit them

We WERENT talking about payware and WERENT talking about freeware not suiting us. At least I wasnt.
I WAS talking about stuff that doesnt really work or renders part of FSX inoperable.
should this occur with payware, then it should be returned. although it probably would not have been purchased in the first place.
Again i make it clear that I do not care what stuff people post, just make it clear what it does and doesnt do and do not make unwarranted claims as to compatibility.All to frequently I see posts under the label 2004/FSX or such like when infact its only a 2004 plane that kinda works in FSX. what use is that. Just wastes a lot of time in my opinion.
You would not accept a CD player that only played the first 12 tracks of an old CD for example. I think you would reject this as NOT being fully compatible.
i know, a stupid example, but you get my drift.

Dunno about the rest of you guys but I hate aircraft without a vc :/

Cusance wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:


Sorry, it's time for me to step in...
This is the most common of the softwares that are used to make planes for FS:
gmax:
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wewain/trainz/ContentCreation/Gmax/...
This software enables the instalation of an SDK (Software Development Kit) that enables the creation of add-ons for specified games. In this case we have the FSX SDK installed, which you can see on the top bar in this screenshot:


That is also the exterior model of a plane... The group of parts that make up the exterior model is called "exterior".
Then, for the VC there's a diferent model from the exterior model's cockpit, whose parts are grouped in a group called "interior".


When you export for FSX the exporter first looks to see if you have an "exterior" and "interior" group. If you have both it spits out two files, one for the exterior model and the other for the VC.


However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...

Xpand wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

I never commented on whether a plane is native or not. that is of no interest to me. I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word. IF MS released a plane design and said FSX compatible and after installation you would find that there was no VC you would object wouldnt you?
whether the design is free or not isnt relevant nor wether its native or not. I have never said anything else.

Cusance wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.  You need to remember this is FREEWARE, not payware.  Have some courtesy and respect for those who take the time to try and improve simaviation and ask for nothing in return.  As a "professional" you should already know that if you don't like the way something is done then do it yourself.

Cusance wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 2:45pm:


let me say a few things.

why say it DOESN'T have a VC?
they always tell you if it does so if it doesn't say so it probably doesn't have one unless it shows a picture of the vc or if it is from a high quality designer.

Well, as an FS developer, apreciate constructive criticism... Of course, saying that you don't like a plane because it has no VC does not qualify as constructive criticism. It takes enormous amounts of research to make a decent VC. I have my Yak-15 stopped for 4 months now due to the lack of pictures of certain parts of the cockpit...

FS.9 supports VC and 2D as does FS.X

So does lack of a VC make it not compatable with FS.9??

Of course not...but

What's the difference???

As you are being repeatedly told, VC has nothing to do with FS.X compatibility

Now having proved on numerous occasions that you don't know what you are talking about it's time for you just accept you have been wrong all along.

It seems you've only joined to moan

garryrussell wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

No i havent actually. and claiming something is FS9 compatible without a VC is in my book the same thing.
No i havent joined to moan, but make a valid point. Shouting at me doesnt make you right you know.
You cant claim that something is compatible if a substantial part of the functionality is missing. common sense I think. But as long as people tell me, I can safe the time downloading and installing. its all i ask. dont make unsubstantiated claims.

Cusance wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am:

I agree with that.

I think there's some confusion here between aircraft intended for FSX (or updated by the original author using the source files) & FS9 models tweaked to work in FSX by a 3rd party. The latter is often done without the original author's knowledge or permission & many of these "updates" are not fully FSX-compatible. In this case please don't blame the wrong person.

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If that's what you're complaining about I think it's a small price to pay. If an aircraft has a VC it's usually mentioned somewhere in the file description which is surely the same thing. You can also use the "Zip file preview" feature on the download page to have a look in the file before downloading it.

Cusance wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:01pm:

I suspect that most people haven't noticed the "Zip file preview". It's a relatively new feature that I find very handy when troubleshooting other people's problems.

I naturally assumed we were discussing files posted on Simviation. I think you'll find the quality of downloads varies just as much on the other major FS sites.

hyperpep111 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:37pm:

Proves what I said. Look at any file posted on any download page at Simviation. Here's one I picked at random. First file at the top. http://simviation.com/1/browse-Military-57-0

T-45C Goshawk 167100/B322 VT-22 Golden Eagles Textures

4.20Mb (289 downloads)

That is a great feature!  I never noticed it either.  Thanks!

Wow.    I'd never noticed that. That's quite a handy feature.