Simviation Forum - Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

Reply #30 - Jan 21^st, 2012 at 7:22pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 9:48am:

Xpand wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

Cusance wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.

However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...

I never commented on whether a plane is native or not. that is of no interest to me. I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word. IF MS released a plane design and said FSX compatible and after installation you would find that there was no VC you would object wouldnt you?
whether the design is free or not isnt relevant nor wether its native or not. I have never said anything else.

If you are saying that a plane is not fsx compatible because it does not have a vc is really messed up. Some of the best designers don't have virtual cockpits because they are WIP's or not interested in making them.
If a designer does not want to make a vc, who am I to stop him/her?
Why don't you make your own aircraft? You could learn and then make the vc's to your content Cool

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Have you ever flown the Rollus Mirage 2000? The Project Tupolev Tu-154? The Tu-144 v3.0? The FSND Citation X? Any of Eagle rotor sim planes/ helos? Libardo Guzman planes and all the other designers out there that don't have Vc or 2D panels? Have you ever stopped and asked yourself how much work went into this remarkable aircraft that you are flying? How much research and books they had to buy? how much time they have to spend? All that the money they used to create the planes and then have the heart to release it as freeware? Only to be responded to by some people as.

There is no VC, No 2D panel, No repaints allowed, Too complex not allowed to upload on other sites e.t.c.
That is just flat out ungrateful!!! Angry

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Reply #31 - Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 2:12pm

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FS.9 supports VC and 2D as does FS.X

So does lack of a VC make it not compatable with FS.9??

Of course not...but

What's the difference???

As you are being repeatedly told, VC has nothing to do with FS.X compatibility

Now having proved on numerous occasions that you don't know what you are talking about it's time for you just accept you have been wrong all along.

It seems you've only joined to moan

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Reply #32 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 9:57am

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jetprop wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Cusance wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 2:45pm:

Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 10:39am:

Cusance wrote on Jan 11^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here. You need to remember this is FREEWARE, not payware. Have some courtesy and respect for those who take the time to try and improve simaviation and ask for nothing in return. As a "professional" you should already know that if you don't like the way something is done then do it yourself.

I do, I do.
but I do find it typical of standards these days that people are so eager to defend incomplete work. free or payware.
makes no difference. dont settle for half done work. Go that exrtra mile and complete the thing. whats the point in taking a 2004 plane and tweaking it round a bit so it kinda works in FSX. Is that why people upgraded to FSX to be able to fly 2004 planes?
I find this puzzling.But all I ask, and I repeat and repeat this, just SAY it hasnt a VC. its all i ask. not too much is it?

let me say a few things.

why say it DOESN'T have a VC?
they always tell you if it does so if it doesn't say so it probably doesn't have one unless it shows a picture of the vc or if it is from a high quality designer.

I am sorry but thats just plain silly. One of the main features of FSX is a functional Vc. Therefore the convention is when claiming FSX compatibility, to indicarte what infact is missing, not the other way round.

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Reply #33 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 10:02am

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garryrussell wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

FS.9 supports VC and 2D as does FS.X

So does lack of a VC make it not compatable with FS.9??

Of course not...but

What's the difference???

As you are being repeatedly told, VC has nothing to do with FS.X compatibility

Now having proved on numerous occasions that you don't know what you are talking about it's time for you just accept you have been wrong all along.

It seems you've only joined to moan

No i havent actually. and claiming something is FS9 compatible without a VC is in my book the same thing.
No i havent joined to moan, but make a valid point. Shouting at me doesnt make you right you know.
You cant claim that something is compatible if a substantial part of the functionality is missing. common sense I think. But as long as people tell me, I can safe the time downloading and installing. its all i ask. dont make unsubstantiated claims.

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Reply #34 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am

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hyperpep111 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Cusance wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 9:48am:

Xpand wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

Cusance wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.

However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...

I never commented on whether a plane is native or not. that is of no interest to me. I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word. IF MS released a plane design and said FSX compatible and after installation you would find that there was no VC you would object wouldnt you?
whether the design is free or not isnt relevant nor wether its native or not. I have never said anything else.

If you are saying that a plane is not fsx compatible because it does not have a vc is really messed up. Some of the best designers don't have virtual cockpits because they are WIP's or not interested in making them.
If a designer does not want to make a vc, who am I to stop him/her?
Why don't you make your own aircraft? You could learn and then make the vc's to your content Cool

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Have you ever flown the Rollus Mirage 2000? The Project Tupolev Tu-154? The Tu-144 v3.0? The FSND Citation X? Any of Eagle rotor sim planes/ helos? Libardo Guzman planes and all the other designers out there that don't have Vc or 2D panels? Have you ever stopped and asked yourself how much work went into this remarkable aircraft that you are flying? How much research and books they had to buy? how much time they have to spend? All that the money they used to create the planes and then have the heart to release it as freeware? Only to be responded to by some people as.

There is no VC, No 2D panel, No repaints allowed, Too complex not allowed to upload on other sites e.t.c.
That is just flat out ungrateful!!! Angry

I am grateful for any complete planes I download and yes I do make my own as I have indicated before. I dont fly or install planes that do not have a VC. Whats the point?
But there are many good designers PAD for example who do create complete planes and they work fine. it isnt brain surgery and having spend all that time designing, (probably for 2004) just doing a quick frig around so it will fly in FS9 or FSX is hardly making it compatible. But all i ask is that people say so, and I can safe the time downloading it. thats all. No need to get abusive about it.

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Reply #35 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 11:07am

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Cusance wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am:

No need to get abusive about it.

I agree with that. Smiley

I think there's some confusion here between aircraft intended for FSX (or updated by the original author using the source files) & FS9 models tweaked to work in FSX by a 3rd party. The latter is often done without the original author's knowledge or permission & many of these "updates" are not fully FSX-compatible. In this case please don't blame the wrong person.

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But all i ask is that people say so, and I can safe the time downloading it.

If that's what you're complaining about I think it's a small price to pay. If an aircraft has a VC it's usually mentioned somewhere in the file description which is surely the same thing. You can also use the "Zip file preview" feature on the download page to have a look in the file before downloading it.

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Reply #36 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:01pm

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Hagar wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 11:07am:

Cusance wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am:

No need to get abusive about it.

I agree with that. Smiley

I think there's some confusion here between aircraft intended for FSX (or updated by the original author using the source files) & FS9 models tweaked to work in FSX by a 3rd party. The latter is often done without the original author's knowledge or permission & many of these "updates" are not fully FSX-compatible. In this case please don't blame the wrong person.

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But all i ask is that people say so, and I can safe the time downloading it.

If that's what you're complaining about I think it's a small price to pay. If an aircraft has a VC it's usually mentioned somewhere in the file description which is surely the same thing. You can also use the "Zip file preview" feature on the download page to have a look in the file before downloading it.

thats a fair point. I actually hadnt thought of that. Sad

Maybe because I do not download from simviation that often due to the extreme variants of quality. But thats a very good suggestion. Thanks.

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Reply #37 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:11pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:01pm:

thats a fair point. I actually hadnt thought of that. Sad

Maybe because I do not download from simviation that often due to the extreme variants of quality. But thats a very good suggestion. Thanks.

I suspect that most people haven't noticed the "Zip file preview". It's a relatively new feature that I find very handy when troubleshooting other people's problems.

I naturally assumed we were discussing files posted on Simviation. I think you'll find the quality of downloads varies just as much on the other major FS sites.

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Reply #38 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:37pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am:

hyperpep111 wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Cusance wrote on Jan 21^st, 2012 at 9:48am:

Xpand wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 6:37pm:

Cusance wrote on Jan 12^th, 2012 at 2:56pm:

without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.

However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...

I never commented on whether a plane is native or not. that is of no interest to me. I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word. IF MS released a plane design and said FSX compatible and after installation you would find that there was no VC you would object wouldnt you?
whether the design is free or not isnt relevant nor wether its native or not. I have never said anything else.

If you are saying that a plane is not fsx compatible because it does not have a vc is really messed up. Some of the best designers don't have virtual cockpits because they are WIP's or not interested in making them.
If a designer does not want to make a vc, who am I to stop him/her?
Why don't you make your own aircraft? You could learn and then make the vc's to your content Cool

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Have you ever flown the Rollus Mirage 2000? The Project Tupolev Tu-154? The Tu-144 v3.0? The FSND Citation X? Any of Eagle rotor sim planes/ helos? Libardo Guzman planes and all the other designers out there that don't have Vc or 2D panels? Have you ever stopped and asked yourself how much work went into this remarkable aircraft that you are flying? How much research and books they had to buy? how much time they have to spend? All that the money they used to create the planes and then have the heart to release it as freeware? Only to be responded to by some people as.

There is no VC, No 2D panel, No repaints allowed, Too complex not allowed to upload on other sites e.t.c.
That is just flat out ungrateful!!! Angry

I am grateful for any complete planes I download and yes I do make my own as I have indicated before. I dont fly or install planes that do not have a VC. Whats the point?
But there are many good designers PAD for example who do create complete planes and they work fine. it isnt brain surgery and having spend all that time designing, (probably for 2004) just doing a quick frig around so it will fly in FS9 or FSX is hardly making it compatible. But all i ask is that people say so, and I can safe the time downloading it. thats all. No need to get abusive about it.

Sorry If it seems that I was getting off hand. Embarrassed

I wasn't meaning it like that, I just meant that most of us complain about things that can give even the best of designers the wrong message. Wink

I don't see any "preview" button Huh

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Reply #39 - Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:47pm

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hyperpep111 wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2012 at 2:37pm:

I don't see any "preview" button Huh

Proves what I said. Look at any file posted on any download page at Simviation. Here's one I picked at random. First file at the top. http://simviation.com/1/browse-Military-57-0

T-45C Goshawk 167100/B322 VT-22 Golden Eagles Textures

Zip file preview

4.20Mb (289 downloads)

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Reply #40 - Jan 24^th, 2012 at 6:24pm

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Wow... I never noticed it ! Shocked

Thanks a lot for notifying me about this feature, Hagar ! Cheesy

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Reply #41 - Jan 24^th, 2012 at 8:24pm

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That is a great feature! I never noticed it either. Thanks!

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Reply #42 - Jan 24^th, 2012 at 8:36pm

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I didn't knew this either Shocked

wow thanks Doug !

I wonder how difficult would be to change the entire pages of the site I mean the color in each aircraft,scenery, repaint's zip preview ,because it doesn't look like a link ,at least I find it very useful

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Reply #43 - Jan 24^th, 2012 at 9:00pm

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Wow.

I'd never noticed that. That's quite a handy feature.

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