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Dec 5th, 2011 at 9:32pm

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I forgot how is that we fix our barometric discrepancy with the ATC , in other words when I'm flight sometimes the ATC by IFR tells me that I'm flying  300/100/400 above or below assigned altitude

  I used to know to fix this a long time ago but I forgot

I keep pressing "B" to reset the altimeter and doesn't work Undecided
 

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Reply #1 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 10:24pm

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Descend or climb by 300/100/400..... Grin

I've never had them tell me that when I wasn't actually deviating or had the incorrect altimeter setting, what aircraft or is it for all of them?
 

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Reply #2 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:58am

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Should be the "B" button like you said, check your settings/controls/  buttons/keys  /instruments:  and altimeter (reset) should have "B" assigned to it. I can't remember what I did one day, but somehow I messed up my control buttons on the key board and had to reasign them back to normal by using the defaults button.
 
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Reply #3 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 7:33am

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An2dogs is right.
Alrot, the fact is that depending where you are flying, the barometric pressure changes and makes your altimeter display a wrong value. The ATC sees your real altitude though, and asks you to reach it.

In order to get the correct altitude displayed on your altimeter, you can:
- set the barometric pressure (there's a rotating button on some altimeters) according to the local meteo stations
- press the 'B' key to do that automatically.
You will see that, just like the ATC said, you are indeed below or above your assigned altitude.

One thing to note is that the adjustments of the barometric pressure are not necessary anymore above 18.000 feet, because from this altitude everybody has to use the same global setting.
 
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Reply #4 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 7:37am

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Ang2dogs wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:58am:
Should be the "B" button like you said, check your settings/controls/  buttons/keys  /instruments:  and altimeter (reset) should have "B" assigned to it. I can't remember what I did one day, but somehow I messed up my control buttons on the key board and had to reasign them back to normal by using the defaults button.


that's the first thing I did , It is doing it in the 757 jetliners (Well Is also the only one I'm flying these days )

I will try this one (I assign the "," key to standard pressure altimeter to see if that could be, I remember I knew how to fix this because I spend a while in a local air approach tower of the SVVA  and they explain me that also happens  In real life ..
the same was happening to me in FSX and FS9 and by doing something that now I don't remember it fix the altimeter  Undecided

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Reply #5 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 9:31am

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Have you tried using another aircraft to see if it still does it?
 

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Reply #6 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:56pm

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Daube wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 7:33am:
- press the 'B' key to do that automatically.
You will see that, just like the ATC said, you are indeed below or above your assigned altitude.

One thing to note is that the adjustments of the barometric pressure are not necessary anymore above 18.000 feet, because from this altitude everybody has to use the same global setting.


I didn't see you post Stephane yes I keep dong it (not at this moment II'm busy I got to program my flight planer )
I'll do it tonight

mfaulisi wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 9:31am:
Have you tried using another aircraft to see if it still does it?


  This is something that hapends as Daube said with the variation of the barometric pressure ,It happens to me most of the time in any airplane

  the weird thing is that the key "b" should fix it and its not doing it  Undecided
 

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Reply #7 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 6:33pm

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When pressing the B key, what you should see if the altimeter(s) jumping up or down to the correct altitude.

I just want to ensure we're talking about the same feature here, so here's a bit of context: let's say you are flying at 5.000 feet exactely as planned in your IFR flightplan... 5.000 is displayed on your altimeter, but the ATC tells you that you are 500 below suddently. At this precise moment, it means that the altimeter is wrong. It shows 5.000 but you're not at 5.000. If you press B, you should see the displayed altitude change immediately to 4.500 feet. If you are with the autopilot, the plane should begin to climb automatically.

If the displayed altitude doesn't change, and the ATC keeps telling you're not in the correct altitude, then the B key doesn't work in your FSX.
 
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Reply #8 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 6:35pm

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One more thing... if the pitot tubes are frozen, the altitude display should get wrong too, right ?
 
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Reply #9 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 8:41pm

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Quote:
I just want to ensure we're talking about the same feature here, so here's a bit of context: let's say you are flying at 5.000 feet exactely as planned in your IFR flightplan... 5.000 is displayed on your altimeter, but the ATC tells you that you are 500 below suddently. At this precise moment, it means that the altimeter is wrong. It shows 5.000 but you're not at 5.000. If you press B, you should see the displayed altitude change immediately to 4.500 feet. If you are with the autopilot, the plane should begin to climb automatically.

If the displayed altitude doesn't change, and the ATC keeps telling you're not in the correct altitude, then the B key doesn't work in your FSX.


that's exactly what is happening and its being happening since I bought the FSX


Daube wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 6:35pm:
One more thing... if the pitot tubes are frozen, the altitude display should get wrong too, right ?


oh yeah ,maybe are frozen  because this start exacly when I start to decent after being at fl30 (Pitot heat its shift+h ) ,I'll check it out then I'll come back
 

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Reply #10 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:14pm

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Nope ,none of both No "b" (again) neither Heating Pitot tubes which in the 757 jetliners it display a sign in the Eicas screen
I took it from SVVA to  SVMC ,same thing 400 below my assigned altitude  Undecided

I wonder if this could be the FSX FSGenesis

also I forgot to retract the flaps after a perfect flight parking it, cutting all the avionics battery etc , Tongue don't you hate when this happens to you?  Angry  Grin



 

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Reply #11 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:40pm

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Go to the folder were your FSX.cfg file is. Open the Controls folder, and open the Standard.XML file using note pad and see if this is there:

<Entry>
   <Key>B</Key>
   <Down>BAROMETRIC</Down>
</Entry>

If not add it, than go to your main FSX folder, and check the
Standard.XML file there and do the same if you have to.

Now if that don't work,
try this. Take a look at "Failures". This has happen to me on a few ocassions were something will fail, even thoe I didn't set any failures. It has happened to me often enough, that when something happens and everything else checks out, I now will check failures, because even thoe no failures are set, the clock is ticking down and some times resetting will solve the problem, just one of those hidden FSX gems I guess, anyway hope you geter fixed!
 
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Reply #12 - Dec 7th, 2011 at 9:52am

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Ang2dogs wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:40pm:
Go to the folder were your FSX.cfg file is. Open the Controls folder, and open the Standard.XML file using note pad and see if this is there:

<Entry>
   <Key>B</Key>
   <Down>BAROMETRIC</Down>
</Entry>

If not add it, than go to your main FSX folder, and check the
Standard.XML file there and do the same if you have to.

Now if that don't work,
try this. Take a look at "Failures". This has happen to me on a few ocassions were something will fail, even thoe I didn't set any failures. It has happened to me often enough, that when something happens and everything else checks out, I now will check failures, because even thoe no failures are set, the clock is ticking down and some times resetting will solve the problem, just one of those hidden FSX gems I guess, anyway hope you geter fixed!


I'll check the second option because I know the "b" key is working it move couple numbers like 12, 14 feet (I just check the *.xml anyway to be sure..its fine) but th difference its alway between 400 and 500 feet
 

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Reply #13 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 6:56am

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The pitot tube is for airspeed.. the ASI measures pressure at the pitot tube, compared to pressure at the static port.. the altimeter works off the static port.. and I don't think FSX models static port ice.

You're using real-weather, right ?

Does the 'B' key set the altimeter to, '29.92' when above 18,000msl ?
 
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Reply #14 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 8:36am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 6:56am:
The pitot tube is for airspeed.. the ASI measures pressure at the pitot tube, compared to pressure at the static port.. the altimeter works off the static port.. and I don't think FSX models static port ice.

You're using real-weather, right ?

Does the 'B' key set the altimeter to, '29.92' when above 18,000msl ?


Brett!! .....or chief!! where you been?  Cheesy

18,000msl  Undecided  is this  18 thousand feet or FL18? 

I haven't check this is all IFR flight so I have to make a flight and wait until atc start telling me the discrepancy  ,what I remember I hit the key B when I was at 4000 I believe I have to make a longer flight to check that out   Undecided

 
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Reply #15 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 8:44am

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alrot wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 8:36am:
Brett_Henderson wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 6:56am:
The pitot tube is for airspeed.. the ASI measures pressure at the pitot tube, compared to pressure at the static port.. the altimeter works off the static port.. and I don't think FSX models static port ice.

You're using real-weather, right ?

Does the 'B' key set the altimeter to, '29.92' when above 18,000msl ?


Brett!! .....or chief!! where you been?  Cheesy

18,000msl  Undecided  is this  18 thousand feet or FL18? 

I haven't check this is all IFR flight so I have to make a flight and wait until atc start telling me the discrepancy  ,what I remember I hit the key B when I was at 4000 I believe I have to make a longer flight to check that out   Undecided

 


I'm always here (I'm everywhere.. lol)

Yes ..  FL180 ... once above that, all altimeters are set to 29.92 .. regardless of atmospheric pressure.

Pressing 'B' should set your altimeter to 29.92 above FL180.. and you can also check your altitude with <Shift+Z> ...
 
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Reply #16 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 8:54am

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Just for reference..  ATC sees your pressure altitude, as reported by your transponder, and then they convert that actual altitude according to atmospheric pressure that might be 100 miles from your location.

On a real, instrument flight.. if my assigned altitude was 6,000msl.. and per my last altimeter adjustment, my altimeter reads 6,000 .. and then ATC warns that I'm 200 feet low.. I'll set my altimeter to 5,800, and then climb to 6,000.
 
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Reply #17 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 9:07am

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 8:54am:
Just for reference..  ATC sees your pressure altitude, as reported by your transponder, and then they convert that actual altitude according to atmospheric pressure that might be 100 miles from your location.

On a real, instrument flight.. if my assigned altitude was 6,000msl.. and per my last altimeter adjustment, my altimeter reads 6,000 .. and then ATC warns that I'm 200 feet low.. I'll set my altimeter to 5,800, and then climb to 6,000.


ok but how do I set it in a 757?  I will check that out
if I can adjust this manually!! because it really annoys

thanks chief

EDIT: I will press B after FL18 to reset the barometer to 29,92
 

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Reply #18 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 9:26am

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When ATC says, "altimeter XXXX"  ..

The XXXX is what you dial into the altimeter setting...

Most altimeters have an adjustment knob on the altimiter itself..

The only 757 I have, is the CaptainSim.. here's a screenshot..

It displays inches-of-mercury, as well as millibars (some countries us them instead on inches). When ATC says, "two-eight-nine-five", you dial in '2895' (this image shows '2994').

The 'B' key is "cheating"  Cool  And remember to dial in '2992' over FL180..


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Reply #19 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 10:02am

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this whole thing make pretty good sense (FSX its much more realistic than I thought)

and I thought my FSX had a problem  Tongue

its not fSX its the pilot  Grin

I think also maybe few people know this ,only real life pilot my friend

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Reply #20 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 10:07am

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You're more than welcome..   Smiley
 
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Reply #21 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 3:44pm

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OMG! I think the one and that was absolutely wrong was ME  Tongue

I don't know why but I though once the ATC call the altimeter 29.92 ,I had in my mind that Like the radio or transponder though it would change alone  Tongue
these whole time I thought it was automatically..this is embarrassing ,

I have to say this because also Daube told me that ,I didn't understand him  ...

  because Brett explanation and latter on while having a IFR short flight is that I realize this ...

thanks Daube thanks Brett and thanks to the rest of the guy who were trying to help

 

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Reply #22 - Dec 8th, 2011 at 3:44pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Dec 8th, 2011 at 9:26am:
The 'B' key is "cheating"  Cool  And remember to dial in '2992' over FL180..


I agree, but being this is a simulator, sometimes you have to adjust. I try to make my flights as real as possible. Setting the pressure with a digital read is easy cause you can see the numbers, trying to set it exactly with an analog gauge is hard because it's hard to see. I set my pressure on the ground (using the "B"), write it down, so I can count my clicks when making a change to try and stay accurate. I even change my own radio frequencys and put in my squawk code instead of letting the sim do it for me (unless i'm flying a jetliner, I let my virtual co pilot do that Smiley). But I've been wondering, is there a reset button to calibrate your altimeter setting in real life?
 
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Reply #23 - Dec 9th, 2011 at 12:27pm

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Still cracks me up the number of people who don't know the basic workings of an airplane who are flying heavy metal. I guess it is just a game, though, and the whole point is to have fun.
 
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Reply #24 - Dec 10th, 2011 at 7:53am

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Mr._Ryan wrote on Dec 9th, 2011 at 12:27pm:
Still cracks me up the number of people who don't know the basic workings of an airplane who are flying heavy metal. I guess it is just a game, though, and the whole point is to have fun.


   Yeah you are so right Ryan I have spend a way too lot of time and all these years  learning to write the XML codes for their gauges or new and modeldef parts  ,modeling in 3d and most of all to learn their new procedures everytime they release a new SDK and deal with  with the English lenguage ..

  Instead to be flying  learning the FSX and become at least full FSX/FS9 Pilot  ,I go in the opposite direction of how to make realistic airplanes and make better freewares to improve

don't get me wrong I really enjoy making FS airplanes ,but this year and for the first time I'm making entires IFR flying and enjoy others work like 757 jetliners,FSX PMDG 747,and I'm waiting my captain sim 777 I won last month in screenshot contest These are masterpieces and I begin to see how other do thing 
I always said this:
  I never fly my own made airplanes,Its like having a party and there's many hot women and you have to dance with your sister or your mother LOL

I didn't release anything this year most because I'm waiting what's going to be with the MSFlight and the fate of FS world 

  I thought this whole time when the ATC make the call 29.92 or 29.67 the FSX change it automatically

  Brett Henderson which is also a great modeler (me and him have made a couple works together) have tough me few basic things in the past ,about tracking VOR and not using heavy metal instead a C172

  I hope I can really do something in the 2012 and I praid to M$ to make the things right about the new simulator which will be release this new year   
 

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