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May 14^th, 2011 at 1:34pm

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Has anyone read the May/June issue of PC Pilot? If not, then how about these excerpts from a Q&A session?

Q1: Has Microsoft Flight been designed completely from the ground up or does it include elements from FSX?

A1: Microsoft.....we're building from the ground up focusing on the "purist" simmer as well as a larger range of people with varied interests in aviation....we will take advantage of the expertise and existing elements of the existing FS code base and architecture where it fits...

Q2: You mentioned a 'New Performance Attitude'. Can you elaborate?

A2: Microsoft......previous approach to performance was to maintain a long life over a five-year period (time enough for simmers to go thru two or more computers). This approach was seen as a benefit, until now. The side affect was that no PC could run it with the settings maxed out at product introduction. The new goal is to provide a fantastic experience "out of the box" on the first day......on your current computer.

Q3: Will Microsoft Flight include multi-player mode?

A3: Microsoft.....Absolutely....we will enhance both the individual and social aspects of Flight. The existing multi-player mode was great for some players, but confusing and frustrating for others. We continue to look for support from organizations and communities who provide enjoyment to many, as well as Microsoft adding more value to a broader flier base.

Q4: Will there be an opportunity for third-parties to produce products for Microsoft Flight?

A4: Microsoft...we are creating the tools and facilities to enable external content to all users.....we recognize we can't do it all!!! At the heart of the new approach is a new integrated marketplace....and we are not ready to reveal the full details on this new concept yet. The basic idea is to make the entire user base more aware of all the third party applications as only a small percentage of the total user base are currently aware of all these add-ons. The goal is to empower the entire user base to pick and choose from this vast number of products available to them.

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Reply #1 - May 14^th, 2011 at 2:49pm

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The new goal is to provide a fantastic experience "out of the box" on the first day......on your current computer.

Now let's see if they can deliver on this idea! Their track record speaks for itself . . .

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Reply #2 - May 14^th, 2011 at 4:05pm

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Travis wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

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The new goal is to provide a fantastic experience "out of the box" on the first day......on your current computer.

Now let's see if they can deliver on this idea! Their track record speaks for itself . . .

Amen...

...

...by the way... haven't we heard that before? I know I did... Huh

Huh

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Reply #3 - May 14^th, 2011 at 4:54pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 1:34pm:

Q4: Will there be an opportunity for third-parties to produce products for Microsoft Flight?

A4: Microsoft...we are creating the tools and facilities to enable external content to all users.....we recognize we can't do it all!!! At the heart of the new approach is a new integrated marketplace....and we are not ready to reveal the full details on this new concept yet. The basic idea is to make the entire user base more aware of all the third party applications as only a small percentage of the total user base are currently aware of all these add-ons. The goal is to empower the entire user base to pick and choose from this vast number of products available to them.[/color]

That one is a little "concerning". Sounds like they might be wanting all addons....... payware and freeware ....located in a place that THEY can control.

Does this portend the end of independent freeware sharing sites?

Hard to say, but it is one possible read of that answer.

The word "marketplace" there is a loaded one for sure. It has a total connotation of BUYING. While there might be a "sale" or a "giveaway" to entice some otehr business, the word "market" in "marketplace" implies commerce, which implies payments.

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Reply #4 - May 14^th, 2011 at 5:21pm

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I wish Q4 hadn't used the word 'products'. Just to see if A4 would have used it without being prompted.

Flying with twins is a lot of fun..

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Reply #5 - May 14^th, 2011 at 10:39pm

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Good grief! What a bunch of sourpusses and glass-half-empty curmudgeons... Cheesy

Cheesy

If MS claimed the sun would rise in the east from now on, you folks would probably doubt that too. Shocked

Shocked

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Reply #6 - May 15^th, 2011 at 9:21am

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I'm not so negative, but the 'market' and 'product' words could use a bit more explaining. Thanks for the post Bill, I just ordered 2 years of PC Pilot.

Flying with twins is a lot of fun..

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Reply #7 - May 15^th, 2011 at 12:38pm

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"Market" and "product" can apply to the freeware *market*. I doubt seriously that M$ will hobble Flight right out of the starting gate. If they did, then simmers will simply stick to FS9 & FSX.

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Reply #8 - May 15^th, 2011 at 12:50pm

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As already written elsewhere, I think it's a bit premature to be giving out verdicts. Remains mine a pessimistic view of things, as I am aware that corporations like M$ do not do what they so to satisfy their customers, but only for their own bottom line, and M$ might be trying to tackle the last in a long list of attempts in building a monopoly, here...

For sure though we'll know only when the time will come. Only then we'll know if to celebrate with dances and songs or if to start praying the requiem aeternam for the FS line.

There is no such a thing as overkill. Only unworthy targets.

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Reply #9 - May 15^th, 2011 at 1:15pm

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Boikat wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 12:38pm:

"Market" and "product" can apply to the freeware *market*. I doubt seriously that M$ will hobble Flight right out of the starting gate. If they did, then simmers will simply stick to FS9 & FSX.

Very true, but if Q4 had of been worded 'freemarket' , the question would have had more punch. I will be purchasing Flight when it's released, no doubt about it, but I won't be dumping my FSX any time soon either. Wink

Wink

(I've too much blood, sweat and tears invested in FSX to let it slip away now. Grin

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Flying with twins is a lot of fun..

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Reply #10 - May 15^th, 2011 at 1:52pm

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If MS can deliver 80% of what they are saying now, I'd be grateful.

As far as the marketplace comment is concerned, haven't we spent at least some money on FS9? I know I did. And I've dumped at least a grand on add-ons for FSX. After purchasing FSX ($80), Accelerate ($60), then UTX USA, Canada & Europe, GEX North America & Europe, FEX, REX, AFX, IS2, Carenado aircraft are running an average of $30, Real Air and A2A aircraft even more expensive, UT2, Ultime Sound, Heli 2009, MTX, Traffic X - it adds up kinda quick doesn't it? Then there are all the cool Saitek and Go Flight products also - that's nice chunk of change in itself.

The point being is, that we ARE going to spend a boatload of money on the sim. MS knows this, and the aftermarket companies know this also. All hobbies are expensive, this one is no different unfortunately... Sad

Sad

Semper Fi,

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Reply #11 - May 15^th, 2011 at 3:46pm

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New Light wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 1:52pm:

If MS can deliver 80% of what they are saying now, I'd be grateful.

As far as the marketplace comment is concerned, haven't we spent at least some money on FS9? I know I did. And I've dumped at least a grand on add-ons for FSX. After purchasing FSX ($80), Accelerate ($60), then UTX USA, Canada & Europe, GEX North America & Europe, FEX, REX, AFX, IS2, Carenado aircraft are running an average of $30, Real Air and A2A aircraft even more expensive, UT2, Ultime Sound, Heli 2009, MTX, Traffic X - it adds up kinda quick doesn't it? Then there are all the cool Saitek and Go Flight products also - that's nice chunk of change in itself.

The point being is, that we ARE going to spend a boatload of money on the sim. MS knows this, and the aftermarket companies know this also. All hobbies are expensive, this one is no different unfortunately... Sad

Sad

Semper Fi,

Dave

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I actually have free access to 100's of payware that gets uploaded to our site every week but obviously don't get posted (they are all in the backups - 100's of them - probably most of existing payware). I tried a couple but I didn't see a huge improvement over the best freeware so they don't get used by me.

Some spend. Most, including me, don't.

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Reply #12 - May 15^th, 2011 at 3:46pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 10:39pm:

Good grief! What a bunch of sourpusses and glass-half-empty curmudgeons... Cheesy

Cheesy

If MS claimed the sun would rise in the east from now on, you folks would probably doubt that too. Shocked

Shocked

Yeah...this is why I hardly visit this place anymore...the Flight forum has gone down hill! Shocked

Shocked

(wait, was it ever uphill... Grin

Grin

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Reply #13 - May 15^th, 2011 at 4:12pm

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BrandonF wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 3:46pm:

Fr. Bill wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 10:39pm:

Good grief! What a bunch of sourpusses and glass-half-empty curmudgeons... Cheesy

Cheesy

If MS claimed the sun would rise in the east from now on, you folks would probably doubt that too. Shocked

Shocked

Yeah...this is why I hardly visit this place anymore...the Flight forum has gone down hill! Shocked

Shocked

(wait, was it ever uphill... Grin

Grin

)

If a civil discussion about an upcoming software release goes downhill it wouldn't be because everyone has different thoughts. If we all agreed, there would be no reason to have these discussions. Undecided

Undecided

Flying with twins is a lot of fun..

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Reply #14 - May 15^th, 2011 at 4:35pm

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If a civil discussion about an upcoming software release goes downhill it wouldn't be because everyone has different thoughts. If we all agreed, there would be no reason to have these discussions.

Exactly. If there were no sceptical questions and cynicism we'd be looking at a bunch of M$ brainwashed zombies!! Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Criticism and expression of 'let's hope they don't do THAT again' are part of any healthy debate. FCOL.

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Reply #15 - May 15^th, 2011 at 7:08pm

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There's one point that nobody is considering here: the ever-increasing size of the addons.

That "central marketplace" would imply that all Flight addons will be ONLY downloadable. This is not possible. Some addons, like OrbX scenery or photoreal sceneries, are made of several Gbs of data. I know a lot of people have very nice and fast internet connexions, but that's not the case of a lot of OTHER people, including myself, stuck with a poor 170 kbyte/sec maximum speed... I am SO NOT downloading a xx Gb product. Product sold on DVDs with direct installers have to continue to exist.

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Reply #16 - May 15^th, 2011 at 10:17pm

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pete wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:35pm:

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If a civil discussion about an upcoming software release goes downhill it wouldn't be because everyone has different thoughts. If we all agreed, there would be no reason to have these discussions.

Exactly. If there were no sceptical questions and cynicism we'd be looking at a bunch of M$ brainwashed zombies!! Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

Criticism and expression of 'let's hope they don't do THAT again' are part of any healthy debate. FCOL.

Bingo.

And one HOPES that M$ monitors the various flight sim forums and watches the comments and discussions developing there. If they think that "the sheep" will simply and quietly follow the path to the slaughterhouse...... they will have no reason to think otherwise and will feel that they can do whatever they want and still succeed.

So far, Microsoft has earned a bit of a "wry glance" at their handling of the flight sim franchise.

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Reply #17 - May 16^th, 2011 at 1:46am

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Steve M wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 4:12pm:

BrandonF wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 3:46pm:

Fr. Bill wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 10:39pm:

Good grief! What a bunch of sourpusses and glass-half-empty curmudgeons... Cheesy

Cheesy

If MS claimed the sun would rise in the east from now on, you folks would probably doubt that too. Shocked

Shocked

Yeah...this is why I hardly visit this place anymore...the Flight forum has gone down hill! Shocked

Shocked

(wait, was it ever uphill... Grin

Grin

)

If a civil discussion about an upcoming software release goes downhill it wouldn't be because everyone has different thoughts. If we all agreed, there would be no reason to have these discussions. Undecided

Undecided

For the most part, I don't see different thoughts.

I just don't see any point in criticizing or being a complete worry wart about a game not even in beta testing yet. Maybe we can actually wait and see how things play out in the end...it might be better than we thought. (of course, it could always fail miserably) But we've only seen a few screenshots, videos, and heard about an online store. Looks fine to me so far...as long as it's an improvement, I'm good. (a step backwards would not be good!)

Daube wrote on May 15^th, 2011 at 7:08pm:

There's one point that nobody is considering here: the ever-increasing size of the addons.

That "central marketplace" would imply that all Flight addons will be ONLY downloadable. This is not possible. Some addons, like OrbX scenery or photoreal sceneries, are made of several Gbs of data. I know a lot of people have very nice and fast internet connexions, but that's not the case of a lot of OTHER people, including myself, stuck with a poor 170 kbyte/sec maximum speed... I am SO NOT downloading a xx Gb product. Product sold on DVDs with direct installers have to continue to exist.

I don't have the time/interest to wait for a xx GB product to download either. Having a boxed edition of something like Flight Simulator is always nice to have, too. Especially in the future when it becomes "old and outdated." Plus, boxes are just fun. Cheesy

Cheesy

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Reply #18 - May 16^th, 2011 at 4:20pm

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New Light wrote on Yesterday at 12:52:32:

If MS can deliver 80% of what they are saying now, I'd be grateful.

As far as the marketplace comment is concerned, haven't we spent at least some money on FS9? I know I did. And I've dumped at least a grand on add-ons for FSX. After purchasing FSX ($80), Accelerate ($60), then UTX USA, Canada & Europe, GEX North America & Europe, FEX, REX, AFX, IS2, Carenado aircraft are running an average of $30, Real Air and A2A aircraft even more expensive, UT2, Ultime Sound, Heli 2009, MTX, Traffic X - it adds up kinda quick doesn't it? Then there are all the cool Saitek and Go Flight products also - that's nice chunk of change in itself.

The point being is, that we ARE going to spend a boatload of money on the sim. MS knows this, and the aftermarket companies know this also. All hobbies are expensive, this one is no different unfortunately...

Semper Fi,

Dave

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I actually have free access to 100's of payware that gets uploaded to our site every week but obviously don't get posted (they are all in the backups - 100's of them - probably most of existing payware). I tried a couple but I didn't see a huge improvement over the best freeware so they don't get used by me.

Some spend. Most, including me, don't

Wow! lemme get this straight. You can download Flight 1, Carenado, Aerosoft, A2A, etc. , fully registered products, for free ?!?!

Uhh... sh1t! Is it really legal and sanctioned by the companies? Where can I get to these?

Thanks,

Dave

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Reply #19 - May 16^th, 2011 at 4:30pm

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Wow! lemme get this straight. You can download Flight 1, Carenado, Aerosoft, A2A, etc. , fully registered products, for free ?!?!

Uhh... sh1t! Is it really legal and sanctioned by the companies? Where can I get to these?

Thanks,

Dave

mmm... I run simviation. I'm referring to the illegal stuff that get's uploaded but not posted. Cool

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... or did you not realise that?

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Reply #20 - May 17^th, 2011 at 12:24pm

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I didn't know you ran SimV. Admin is admin as far as I know, most are moderators.

I've been in the payware section before, but all I saw were textures for payware aircraft. Where can I find these products? Oh and, I do know of some sites where illegal products have been uploaded to before.

Thanks,

Dave

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Reply #21 - May 17^th, 2011 at 4:06pm

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I probably approve only 60% of what gets uploaded here. As a former aircraft designer I knwo what I am looking at so I check anything out if it comes from an unknown uploader. A lot of stuff just won't work - I either fix it or it is not posted on the site. Part of all this is that payware products get uploaded several times per week. Once I made the mistake of going on vacation and getting someone else to approve uploads - we had about 6 payware products in the weekly uploads and more than just a few complaints from Dave Brice (Iris), Phil Perrot (Virtuavia) .. etc ... Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

However I've known all these guys a long time so there were no bad feelings ........ after I bent over backwards apologising .... Grin

Grin

Back to the central question:

Will MS Flight allow open and easy input into it's development (which will mean freeware too) ?

And accepting that 'Flight Simulation' is a niche interest - are they interested in attracting the long term followers that the Flight Simulator series attracted? or are they going to aim this at the 'Lock On' gaming type audience?

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Reply #22 - May 18^th, 2011 at 1:50pm

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What part of "...we're building from the ground up focusing on the "purist" simmer..." was unclear?

Seems to me to be pretty unambiguous... Wink

Wink

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Reply #23 - May 18^th, 2011 at 3:49pm

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Fr. Bill wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

What part of "...we're building from the ground up focusing on the "purist" simmer..." was unclear?

Seems to me to be pretty unambiguous... Wink

Wink

Well for starters .. The 'Central Marketplace' ..

Let me say again -- this is not negative -- 'Flight Simulator' was a brilliant series that was built and thrived on open user input.

Control? WE, the community, don't want M$ to be in control of 'Flight' addons. If they are it is simply not the 'Flight Simulation Community' -which thrived only because of free and open input by the community on uncontrolled sites like this one.

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Reply #24 - May 19^th, 2011 at 10:04am

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Fr. Bill wrote on May 18^th, 2011 at 1:50pm:

What part of "...we're building from the ground up focusing on the "purist" simmer..." was unclear?

Seems to me to be pretty unambiguous... Wink

Wink

Parsing........

".....building from the ground up....."

Could easily mean that "all the rules from before are no longer in effect". Or "starting completley over with the concept". So anything that we have done previously might no longer be the case. That could apply to a LOT of things. Some potentially good... some potentially not so good ("Central Marketplace"????).

".......focusing on the "purist" simmer......"

All gets down to what THEY are defining as the "purist". I know some pretty darn "purist" game players. Very serious and dedicated to what they do. I also know some "purist" GA simmers. And some "purist" aluminum cigar types.

From the Dictionary.......

purism (ˈpjʊəˌrɪzəm)

— n
insistence on traditional canons of correctness of form or purity of style or content, esp in language, art, or music

'purist

— adj , — n

pu'ristic

— adj

pu'ristically

— adv

American Psychological Association (APA):
purist. (n.d.). Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition. Retrieved May 19, 2011, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/purist

Doesn't really help much, does it?

In the general statement as issued in CP... they have deliberately "said little", just as polititians typically do.

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Reply #25 - May 19^th, 2011 at 11:06am

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All gets down to what THEY are defining as the "purist". I know some pretty darn "purist" game players. Very serious and dedicated to what they do. I also know some "purist" GA simmers. And some "purist" aluminum cigar types.

I definately fall into the serious GA category. In other posts, I've asserted my opinion, that I hope "Flight" gets back to the basics of flight simulation. I hope that as a "purist" flight simulator, we can get some better cockpits, avionics that hopefully continue with more glass panels, better ATC, emergency procedures, and the like. Hopefully there will also be more room in the new program to better accept external hardware such as products by companies like Go Flight and Saitek.

I have also pointed out in earlier posts, that the program title "Flight" might be MS's first admitance that they might be parting from actual flight simming and showcasing sub-disciplines instead. I hope I'm wrong in my thinking that "Flight" will become an aviation photoshop.

I do understand that there are many fine sub-disciplines to flight sim, but simulating flight operations on land and in the air is what I, personally, always looked for. Hopefully they will do right for us. I do enjoy overhauling airports, writing AI flight plans, etc. But to me the main idea of those sub-disciplines is to enhance the ground and airbourne ops.

Also, I hope that there will be plenty of room for freeware as there are many, many great designers and developers who make some fine aircraft and textures for existing aircraft.

Semper Fi,

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"...and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

While it might be entertaining, endless speculation on and parsing of what is officially mentioned is just that... entertainment.

It most certainly isn't something for which one's blood-pressure should rise out of control! Cheesy

Cheesy

For many reasons I've found myself wishing MS Game Studios would have just kept their virtual mouths shut and simply surprised everyone in 2012...

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Fr. Bill wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:35pm:

For many reasons I've found myself wishing MS Game Studios would have just kept their virtual mouths shut and simply surprised everyone in 2012...

Ah, but it's only natural for a human to wonder what kind death shall s/he have to die. Tongue

Tongue

Or, in this case, wonder if the surprise will be of the nice kind or the mournful one.

I rest my already all too much explained opinion, bolstered by the marketplace thinghy, but can't help strongly hope my fears will be blown away and a great thing will come out instead...

...no matter how a long shot it is... hope, spring eternal. Undecided

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Fr. Bill wrote on May 19^th, 2011 at 12:35pm:

For many reasons I've found myself wishing MS Game Studios would have just kept their virtual mouths shut and simply surprised everyone in 2012...

Yeah... but they didn't. And they have clearly chosen to talk in generalities and with "polititian speak"........ vague crap that could mean most anything. They bring this speculation on themselves.

It would be VERY easy to articulate exactly that approch that they are taking with this. They aren't. By now there HAS to be a clear vision qwith a set of goals and objectives in place. They know exactly what "Flight" will be. But they want to "work the system" to create interest and curiosity. It will drive sales.

It is deliberate marketing. A lot of marketing types believe that there is no such thing as "bad press". All press is useful.

No "knickers in a knot" here for me......... I am still running fs2004 because of the investment in the simpit and the nature of FSX. The likelyhood of me switching over to "Flight" is slim.... unless thay somehow make a lot of the interfacing into the sim's internal variables VERY simple and rearward compatible.

There is still enough freeware and payware available for fs2004, and enough simpit stuff to do, to keep me happy (and broke Wink

Wink

) for years.

best,

...................john

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Reply #29 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:04am

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JBaymore wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 4:54pm:

Fr. Bill wrote on May 14^th, 2011 at 1:34pm:

Q4: Will there be an opportunity for third-parties to produce products for Microsoft Flight?

A4: Microsoft...we are creating the tools and facilities to enable external content to all users.....we recognize we can't do it all!!! At the heart of the new approach is a new integrated marketplace....and we are not ready to reveal the full details on this new concept yet. The basic idea is to make the entire user base more aware of all the third party applications as only a small percentage of the total user base are currently aware of all these add-ons. The goal is to empower the entire user base to pick and choose from this vast number of products available to them.[/color]

That one is a little "concerning". Sounds like they might be wanting all addons....... payware and freeware ....located in a place that THEY can control.

Does this portend the end of independent freeware sharing sites?

Hard to say, but it is one possible read of that answer.

The word "marketplace" there is a loaded one for sure. It has a total connotation of BUYING. While there might be a "sale" or a "giveaway" to entice some otehr business, the word "market" in "marketplace" implies commerce, which implies payments.

best,

..................john

Sounds like the Apple Store format. They control EVERYTHING. Nothing gets put on your computer unless it has been approved by them first.

Basically if they approve then and only then is your software allowed and of course they skim their cut off the top.

Ah well. Jailbreak the GameStore anyone?

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Reply #30 - Jun 7^th, 2011 at 11:17am

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dapeeper wrote on Jun 7^th, 2011 at 4:04am:

Ah well. Jailbreak the GameStore anyone?

I'm going to say this only once. If in the future of M$ there's an Apple-like management in ANY way, shape or form... I'm going Linux without even breaking step.

I won't need to break out of jail, seen that I steadfastly REFUSE to enter in it. I did nothing illegal, so I won't have my PC be locked up only to defend the "interests" of those who could not care less about mine. Angry

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