Simviation Forum - Place your bets..

Apr 9^th, 2011 at 7:55pm

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I am thinking MS will release Flight in the spring of 2012. I would rather see them do the professional thing and wait untill it is finetuned. I'm going out on a limb here but my bet is Feb of 2012.. Undecided

(not excatly spring but close)

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Reply #1 - Apr 9^th, 2011 at 8:10pm

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I agree, that was the release time I would have guessed, too.

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Reply #2 - Apr 10^th, 2011 at 5:12am

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Yeah I agree with you guys.

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Reply #3 - Apr 11^th, 2011 at 7:08pm

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Based on their history, I think they will release it before all the bugs are ironed out, hence Christmas 2011.

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Reply #4 - Apr 11^th, 2011 at 7:33pm

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patchz wrote on Apr 11^th, 2011 at 7:08pm:

Based on their history, I think they will release it before all the bugs are ironed out, hence Christmas 2011.

I'll bet that is thier tenative schedule, at the moment. I'd like to know what kind of budget they have to work with. There is always a budget, or some form of cost projection at the start of most projects.

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Reply #5 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 10:18pm

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I'd be pretty surprised if it came out early 2012, I was thinking holiday 2012 if not early 2013. I hope your all right of course, the earlier the better! I've just uninstalled FSX for I think the 50th and last time. Out with the old, in with the NEW. I too hope they have taken the time to "iron out the bugs"... lets get what we pay for this time! Grin

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Reply #6 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 10:32am

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Steve M wrote on Apr 9^th, 2011 at 7:55pm:

I would rather see them do the professional thing and wait until it is finetuned.

You DO know that's NEVER happened before, correct? Huh

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Reply #7 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 1:54am

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It will never be perfect...but I doubt that it will be released in 2011.

But according to IGN it says TBA 2011 so who knows I could be wrong but I think it if it was to be released 2011 it wouldn't be as good as taking more time. Wink

And they didn't give us any teasers for this month either... Sad

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Reply #8 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 8:15pm

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I think MS WILL release Flight in spring of '12. We will then pay a premium price for it (say, $80) and spend our hard earned money on a new computer just for Flight. Then, we will find out our that computers are no where near as capable of running the program, our pcs will be called "hunks of junks" and the specs will be laughed at, and that we will need to spend $5K+ for a proper computer.

Then after a few months, MS will admit that there might be "some" bugs that might need to be addressed. Some months later, they will finally release a patch (err... a major reprogram). Soon after, they will find out that something else needs to be addressed, so some more months will go by when another patch (err... just a minor reprogramming) will be released. Then they will offer something like Flight PLUS (??) - again we will pay another premium (say, $60) for the PLUS (??) program. Then a year later you will be able to buy a compter that will run the program for less than $2,500 while MS repackages both programs (and call it, "Super Flight", err... something) that you can buy for $30 on amazon.

Does that sound kinda familiar?

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Reply #9 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 8:17pm

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New Light wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 8:15pm:

I think MS WILL release Flight in spring of '12. We will then pay a premium price for it (say, $80) and spend our hard earned money on a new computer just for Flight. Then, we will find out our that computers are no where near as capable of running the program, our pcs will be called "hunks of junks" and the specs will be laughed at, and that we will need to spend $5K+ for a proper computer.

Then after a few months, MS will admit that there might be "some" bugs that might need to be addressed. Some months later, they will finally release a patch (err... a major reprogram). Soon after, they will find out that something else needs to be addressed, so some more months will go by when another patch (err... just a minor reprogramming) will be released. Then they will offer something like Flight PLUS (??) - again we will pay another premium (say, $60) for the PLUS (??) program. Then a year later you will be able to buy a compter that will run the program for less than $2,500 while MS repackages both programs (and call it, "Super Flight", err... something) that you can buy for $30 on amazon.

Does that sound kinda familiar?

Semper Fi,

Dave

I think someone is being a little too harsh (and actually pretty unrealistic) and stuck in FSX days. Just because ACES made one mistake in the over 28 years of the MSFS series with FSX, why would the next version automatically be a failure? No, that doesn't make sense at all. MS has clearly seen their FSX mistakes and I do not see them making the same ones as of yet.

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Reply #10 - Apr 29^th, 2011 at 8:22pm

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"Someone" thinks he is not being at all too harsh and that we are still in the FSX days. "Someone" hopes you're right though Cool

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Reply #11 - May 1^st, 2011 at 5:52pm

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Ha, I love to read all these replies. It will be fun to reread later and see if anyone was close. I agree with most here in that corporate pressure will force the design team to release the sim too soon. I should say, 'Flight', rather than sim. Wink

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Reply #12 - May 2^nd, 2011 at 10:25am

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BrandonF wrote on Apr 29^th, 2011 at 8:17pm:

I think someone is being a little too harsh (and actually pretty unrealistic) and stuck in FSX days. Just because ACES made one mistake in the over 28 years of the MSFS series with FSX, why would the next version automatically be a failure? No, that doesn't make sense at all. MS has clearly seen their FSX mistakes and I do not see them making the same ones as of yet.

One mistake? Huh

So you reckon that FS2000 was a mistake... and the first release (pre-patch) of FS9 and FSX as a whole not? Roll Eyes

And as you can see, I'm not going further back in time, where we could find something else as interesting, if not more, like the many problems of FS5 and maybe even more. Tongue

Interesting point of view, yours... one that has no relation to reality, but interesting. You should try your hand in writing Sci-Fi. Cheesy

What Dave was trying to depict, and sadly I quite agree with him, is the most plausible path M$ will follow in the marketing of Flight. A path that follows the grim money-squeezing one used for FSX. Undecided

May I remind you for last that ACES had hand only with the failure of FSX as an application and that the marketing was instead in the hand of the headquarters? Tongue

What will happen of Flight... at the moment is difficult to say, but... well, I am not ashamed to admit to be among those who think that the dropping of all the pretenses of it being any kind of simulator is quite ominous. Only time will be able to tell though. I for one am preparing myself to another failure, so in the [honestly hoped for] case it will a good program, I'll have a nice surprise and an even better time... and if [sadly] will really be a failure... I hope it will smart less than what happened with FSX. Lips Sealed

For sure this time around I'll take my sweet time letting OTHERS check the... I would like to call it sim, but... as I was saying, I'll take my sweet time letting others check the program out, before even thinking about buying it... and I'll buy it only if worthy of my money. Angry

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Reply #13 - May 2^nd, 2011 at 9:28pm

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Ha, I love to read all these replies. It will be fun to reread later and see if anyone was close. I agree with most here in that corporate pressure will force the design team to release the sim too soon. I should say, 'Flight', rather than sim.

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I would like to call it sim, but...

I don't know if this is part the "bet" that we can place. As soon as I saw the title "Flight", I immediately thought that MS is finally admitting that FS has become more of an "aviation photoshop" program. Even though there are some short vids available that do show aircraft flying, there a lot of folks that seem to be ooohhing & ahhhing about the scenery more than showcasing the aircraft, ATC, IFR operations, flight emergencies, more realistic airport operations, weather conditions, etc.

I have learned to "fly" decently on FS9 which was just fine by me, and FSX has very, very nice scenery and aircraft (free & payware), but it seems that screenshots and scenery have become the benchmark of how good the Flight Simulator is. There are many nice and valid sub-disciplines within FS. Believe me, I love overhauling airports with AFX & IS2, writing flight plans, painting aircraft textures, etc.

Scenery does make "flying" extremely realistic, but the main idea of Flight Simulator is to "act as if you are in an aircraft, performing actual ground and airbourne operations without being in the actual stress & danger of being in the real situation". But, the ability to see indivdual bricks on houses and pick out a single daisy or individual blades of grass in a field while hauling a$$ down the runway or the ability to see every stone and pebble on a mountainside may be a bit much in my opinion.

Extreme scenery with no or bad flyablity and very adequate scenery and very good or great flyablility are definately two different animals. I'd rather have the latter.

Semper Fi,

Dave

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Reply #14 - May 5^th, 2011 at 6:11pm

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I'll go with the late 2011 date. But, no matter how well it performs, how detailed, or realistic (as far as a PC can be "realistic"), being a Microsoft product, some people will still say it's crappy, buggy, or not realistic enough. Waiting until it would be considered "perfected" to satisfy the nit-pickers could take years, or decades.

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