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Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:09pm

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I was reading a post in another section of the forum and someone mentioned something I had never thought of - running FS2004 instead of FSX. It makes some sense; instead of upgrading your PC for tons of money to run FSX well, just switch to FS2004. Does FSX really require that much more RAM/CPU power, etc. than FS9? My specs:

Intel Quad core @2.66GHz
4 GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 9800GTX+ (512 MB)

I can get 30 fps with decent settings on FSX, but I have to keep the traffic low and there are definitely tradeoffs. How much better would my system run FS9?

I would greatly appreciate anyone's input.
 
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Reply #1 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:28pm

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Yes, FSX uses much more than FS9. I run both (and CFS2) on my specs, listed below, and can max out FS9. Like you, I have to make tradeoffs in X.

They will happily co-exist on the same computer, each oblivious to the other..    Cool
And with all the add-ons available for 9 you can bring it to near X esthetics.

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Reply #2 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:33pm

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With a rig like that you should be able to max FS9 without any trouble Wink
 

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Reply #3 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:37pm

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ozzy72 wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:33pm:
With a rig like that you should be able to max FS9 without any trouble Wink


Sweet! Thanks to both of you for your replies!
 
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Reply #4 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:59pm

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Mr._Ryan wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:37pm:
ozzy72 wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:33pm:
With a rig like that you should be able to max FS9 without any trouble Wink


Sweet! Thanks to both of you for your replies!





Thanks for the question and those replies. I got my copy of FS9 in the mail today. I run FSX fine but I want to see the differences first hand.   


 

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Reply #5 - Dec 29th, 2010 at 3:03pm

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Massive performance difference Wink
 

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Reply #6 - Dec 30th, 2010 at 12:04am

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the default scenery in FS9 will look like junk compared to what you get out of the box with FSX... but as mentioned before, with all of the upgrades, addons, and everything that is available for FS9, you will have something that looks close to FSX, but runs 1000 times better.
 

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Reply #7 - Dec 30th, 2010 at 10:48am

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Capt.Propwash wrote on Dec 30th, 2010 at 12:04am:
the default scenery in FS9 will look like junk compared to what you get out of the box with FSX... but as mentioned before, with all of the upgrades, addons, and everything that is available for FS9, you will have something that looks close to FSX, but runs 1000 times better.


That's great to hear, I'm really pretty excited about trying this. I got UTX and REX and hopefully I'll have it all up and running today.
 
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Reply #8 - Jan 1st, 2011 at 11:48am

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Quick update on this little project - GREAT idea. I would recommend to ANYONE who is struggling to get good results with FSX on their current rig, instead of thinking about which $2,000 computer can run it well, just "upgrade" to FS9. Once you get Ground Environment and Ultimate Terrain and such installed, it's really pretty close to the FSX scenery, and it runs like gangbusters. I've got every setting completely maxed - completely maxed - and adding add-on scenery by the hour, and this sucker runs without any of the stuttering I get in FSX. I'm so glad I did this.
 
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Reply #9 - Jan 1st, 2011 at 1:03pm

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Glad to see you're enjoying it. FS9 has an impressive amount of freeware stuff available, may it be sceneries or airplanes, so you'll need quite a while before you can explore everything Smiley

Now, about the recommendation to "upgrade" to FS9 instead of buying a powerfull computer, that will depend on what kind of addons you're looking for. Switching to FS9 will prevent you to enjoy some experiences like precise photoreal sceneries, crisp ground sceneries,moving aircraft carriers or ultra immersive aircrafts like Accusim stuff.

If you focus mainly on IFR flight from major airports, then yes FS9 is definitely an upgrade compared to FSX which can never be happy over anything bigger than a medium airport Wink But for those who focus on VFR flights, the needs are totally different, and switching to FS9 is definitely NOT an upgrade, in that case.
 
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Reply #10 - Jan 1st, 2011 at 1:49pm

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Daube wrote on Jan 1st, 2011 at 1:03pm:
Glad to see you're enjoying it. FS9 has an impressive amount of freeware stuff available, may it be sceneries or airplanes, so you'll need quite a while before you can explore everything Smiley

Now, about the recommendation to "upgrade" to FS9 instead of buying a powerfull computer, that will depend on what kind of addons you're looking for. Switching to FS9 will prevent you to enjoy some experiences like precise photoreal sceneries, crisp ground sceneries,moving aircraft carriers or ultra immersive aircrafts like Accusim stuff.

If you focus mainly on IFR flight from major airports, then yes FS9 is definitely an upgrade compared to FSX which can never be happy over anything bigger than a medium airport Wink But for those who focus on VFR flights, the needs are totally different, and switching to FS9 is definitely NOT an upgrade, in that case.


Yeah, I have noticed that the graphics, particularly the ground scenery, is somewhat lacking (although I am installing Ground Environment Professional as we speak). Once I get some more addons installed and tweak the settings I'll get a better idea of what it's going to be like. That being said, I enjoy flying IFR stuff as well, particularly the 737, so I think I can have a lot of fun doing that. The main bonuses I see so far are actually being able to have traffic. In FSX I could have 25% of either GA or airline traffic before noticing a huge hit in performance; in FS9 I have it at 100% traffic (and 100% everything else, for that matter  Wink) and I'm still doing perfectly with framerates set at 30. I'm going to go unlimited once I get GE Pro installed and see what it wants to run at frame-rate wise. But I will take less eye-candy for a more realistic flying environment.
 
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Reply #11 - Jan 1st, 2011 at 2:07pm

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Happy New Year

If you like the 737, try "Moach's" 737 Experience available at SV along with a group of repaints. It's one of my favorites. Also I'm a fan of "Howard's Mix" scenery package also available at SV.

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Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2011 at 11:30pm

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If you want VFR scenery, go to http://blueskyscenery.com ;  Shocked Shocked Shocked  they do not cover the entire FS9 world, but they do have a few areas like California, Colorada, Arizona, Yellowstone, and Glacier National Park.


i have yellowstone and Glacier Nat. Park..... and a few others..

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Reply #14 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 3:13pm

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Thanks Capt,

I'll check it out this afternoon  Smiley

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Reply #15 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 12:44pm

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Here's the thing I'm finding as I'm comparing FSX to FS9: I saw a lot of youtube videos of people that have gotten FS9 to almost look like FSX in terms of graphics; I have Ground Environment, Real Environment, FS Global 2010, Ultimate Terrain and on and on and on installed, all of the sliders maxed, and I can't get it to look even close. My suspicion is that the videos on youtube are of small areas where the user has super-detailed scenery, and that for the rest of his FS9 "world" it looks a lot like mine. Am I wrong? What gives? I thought with all the addons I would at least get it to look close.

 
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Reply #16 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 2:11pm

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if YOU made that video... by that video FS9 "IS" better than FSX in terms of scenery.

I am just starting to play around with installing Ground Environment Pro, but I am finding that their "textures" in MY sim are Absolutely NOTHING like what they show on their website.

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now while i have Ground Environment Pro, Ultimate Terrain USA // CANADA/ALASKA, REX 2004 installed... every single slider to the right EXCEPT MIP MAP=4... i still only get the default sparse placement of houses/buildings. 

I thought Ground Environment Pro would MURDER my frames with the addition of billions of houses (most of which would be outside the "rendered scenery area" up close to me) but still.. only default placing of houses.   

Am I missing a step somewhere??? 
 

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Reply #17 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 2:29pm

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Capt.Propwash wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 2:11pm:
if YOU made that video... by that video FS9 "IS" better than FSX in terms of scenery.

I am just starting to play around with installing Ground Environment Pro, but I am finding that their "textures" in MY sim are Absolutely NOTHING like what they show on their website.

http://www.simviation.com/phpupload/uploads/1294278170.jpg
(image copied from environments.flight1.net in order to be shown here; could not hotlink to their page)   --- Thousands and Thousands of 3D houses (autogen)

now while i have Ground Environment Pro, Ultimate Terrain USA // CANADA/ALASKA, REX 2004 installed... every single slider to the right EXCEPT MIP MAP=4... i still only get the default sparse placement of houses/buildings. 

I thought Ground Environment Pro would MURDER my frames with the addition of billions of houses (most of which would be outside the "rendered scenery area" up close to me) but still.. only default placing of houses.   

Am I missing a step somewhere??? 


That video is the one that made me think I could get FS9 to look like FSX; it's not mine. And you and I are on the exact same page - I installed all that crap and there is minimal difference between FS9 with all the addons (several hundred dollars' worth, I might add) and stock FS9. In FSX you see the difference immediately - in FS9 I see barely any difference at all.

So you and I are looking for an answer to the same question - hopefully someone has it.
 
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Reply #18 - Jan 5th, 2011 at 3:50pm

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Mr._Ryan wrote on Jan 5th, 2011 at 12:44pm:
Here's the thing I'm finding as I'm comparing FSX to FS9: I saw a lot of youtube videos of people that have gotten FS9 to almost look like FSX in terms of graphics; I have Ground Environment, Real Environment, FS Global 2010, Ultimate Terrain and on and on and on installed, all of the sliders maxed, and I can't get it to look even close. My suspicion is that the videos on youtube are of small areas where the user has super-detailed scenery, and that for the rest of his FS9 "world" it looks a lot like mine. Am I wrong? What gives? I thought with all the addons I would at least get it to look close.



There are only very few addons that can make specific FS9 places look as good as in FSX. Mainly, the concerned areas are the sky and the airports.

  • The sky in FS9 is quite the same as in FSX, really. So if you provide FS9 with nice sky and clouds textures, it will look just as good as FSX with the same sky and cloud textures.
  • The airports sceneries usually consist of buildings and photoreal ground. If they used the "3D ground" technique (displaying a flat 3D object with a very nice ground texture/photo on it, on top of the default sim ground), then there is no ground texture resolution limitations anymore, and for that airport you can get something looking as detailled, crisp and precise as in FSX.


However, there are places where the magic won't work.
The most obvious one is the water. No matter how many REX textures you fill in your FS9, the seas will never look as good as in FSX. On some angles, where the reflection is not visible, you can get close (with good sea ground textures), but then again you'll be limited by the waterclass which is less detailled than in FSX, causing a quicker "chess" effect due to repetitive textures.

Same goes for the "normal" (out of airports) areas. You won't be able to get crisp textures on the ground, and the limited variety of landclasses will cause the same problem as described above for the water. Also the autogen will not look as dense in cities or forests.

However, most of those limitations are not really relevant for those who pilot big liners at high altitude and land only in big airports. The ground crisp textures will be there at takeoff and landing, and they will get a pleasant sky to sail. Meshes or ground/water textures are not that important in such flights, but performance is a big bonus, a bonus that FSX can hardly provide, even on the best machines, especially on major airports. IFR is where FS9 rules Smiley

 
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Reply #19 - Jan 6th, 2011 at 8:05am

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I'm guessing I'm the odd one out!

Out of the box I prefer fsx: Why? because I'm only getting 1 to 2 fps difference between the two and for the better graphics in fsx I now prefer it, plus, I've been passing my older flight sims onto colleagues at work to get them interested in flights sims so no longer have fs2002 or fs9/fs2004 disks at home.

Overall my fps is poor anyway compared to what others mention here but I've not gone through any of Nicks sim tweaking methods.

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Reply #20 - Jan 9th, 2011 at 12:45pm

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Mr._Ryan wrote on Dec 29th, 2010 at 2:09pm:
I was reading a post in another section of the forum and someone mentioned something I had never thought of - running FS2004 instead of FSX. It makes some sense; instead of upgrading your PC for tons of money to run FSX well, just switch to FS2004. Does FSX really require that much more RAM/CPU power, etc. than FS9? My specs:

Intel Quad core @2.66GHz
4 GB RAM
Nvidia GeForce 9800GTX+ (512 MB)

I can get 30 fps with decent settings on FSX, but I have to keep the traffic low and there are definitely tradeoffs. How much better would my system run FS9?

I would greatly appreciate anyone's input.

fraps says I'm  getting a solid, rock-steady 60 fps out of what you see below. I see no reason to downgrade to FSX. I was only able to get around 25-28 fps when trying to enjoy FSX. Tried for about two weeks to come to love it. Never did. Took it off. Never looked back...
 

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Reply #21 - Jan 9th, 2011 at 1:22pm

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EVVFCX wrote on Jan 6th, 2011 at 8:05am:
I'm guessing I'm the odd one out!

Out of the box I prefer fsx: Why? because I'm only getting 1 to 2 fps difference between the two and for the better graphics in fsx I now prefer it, plus, I've been passing my older flight sims onto colleagues at work to get them interested in flights sims so no longer have fs2002 or fs9/fs2004 disks at home.

Overall my fps is poor anyway compared to what others mention here but I've not gone through any of Nicks sim tweaking methods.

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My FS9 is sitting on a shelf. I too have FSX and it looks and runs just fine. In FS9 I got amazing framerates, but even locking the frames at 20 I had serious jaggies and blurry scenery even at a standstill on the tarmac. My wings looked like Wilma Flintstones hemline. After 3 days of reading, adjusting and tweaking and posting, No luck. For me, at least, I'll be sticking with FSX, IL2,MS CFS2 and a few others, all of which run fine on my system.  Tongue
 

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Reply #22 - Jan 10th, 2011 at 12:27am

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Whenever I start mentally calculating how many hundreds of dollars I would have to spend on enhancements to make FS9 look as good as FSX, I realize that if I wanted to go back to FS9, I could probably achieve a similar result by simply lowering my sliders in FSX.  There are several great features of FS9 that I miss.  Fade in/Fade out Autogen, better compatibility with 3rd party Weather Engines....On the other hand, I realize that most of the airplanes that I found were the greatest thing in the world back in the old days, with 2D cockpits, just wouldn't make the bar in the world of Accusim, and some of the sophistication today that is exclusively FSX.  I know because I've tried it...that old SSTSIM Concorde, for instance, just doesn't measure up, once you've used the FSLabs one in the VC, even though it was awesome back then.

How does FS9, burdened up with all of the bells and whistles and running on ONE PROCESSOR Core, compare, performance wise, with FSX running on 4 or 6 Cores, similarly embellished with extensive addons?  Not being sarcastic, that is a serious question.  Its possible that one day, if FSX pisses me off enough, that I might embark upon such a project...but I would like to know in advance if it would be worth it.
 
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Reply #23 - Jan 10th, 2011 at 5:50am

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Of course it's a matter of personnal standards. There are still some simmers who prefer 2D panels, even for VFR flights. In any case, even in FS9 you already get a good load of very good looking virtual cockpits, so even the VC-only pilots could get satisfied in FS9, provided they ignore the lack of smoothness of the gauges. I flew FS9 for 3 full years, and I enjoyed it as much as I could. I never had payware in it, because at that time there were very few planes that could motivate me to spend money. The realistic planes were mostly liners, and I was not flying them seriously enough in FS9 to feel the need for paywares. I was more interested in VFR exploration flights. I was about to spend some money on Holger Sandmann's sceneries, but then FSX appeared.

Concerning the functionnalities that you mentionned, the autogen fade in/out is indeed missed in FSX, but the autogen density compensates a lot. The 3rd party weather engines now exist both freeware and payware. And whatever you do, once you've made a flight with a you even just started an Accusim aircraft on the tarmac, there's not way back to FS9.

And your remark about the limitation of FSX graphic settings to match FS9 quality is very valid. With my previous computer (Q6600@2,75GHz, 3 Gb RAM, 8800GTX), when I was limiting the settings to FS9 quality, I could maintain a solid 40 FPS flying over Seattle Tacoma. It was a valid solution for IFR flights to major airport, but unfortunately it was not valid at all for VFR flights, because those limitations were just deleting the advantages of FSX over FS9 scenery. Fortunately, the performance impact if the "VFR" areas (out of major airports/cities) was not that big and even an old computer like mine could provide a very smooth experience.
 
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Reply #24 - Jan 13th, 2011 at 11:08pm

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bought an HP  i7 quad core, 6gb ram, 1gb  ATI video card plus new 23" lcd monitor, loaded FSX, ran well, scenery downloads are few and far  between for my area of interest, dumped FSX and went back to 2004, sure runs sweet on this machine, just having a few scenery library addon problems with windows 7 I never encountered with XP.
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Reply #25 - Jan 16th, 2011 at 11:12am

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FS9 I fly it becauseI run everything at max and get these results :- !,500ft

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Reply #26 - Jan 16th, 2011 at 11:26am

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fred39 wrote on Jan 16th, 2011 at 11:12am:
FS9 I fly it becauseI run everything at max and get these results :- !,500ft

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Over Seattle at2,500ft

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Welcome to Simv. Maybe it's from compression but the horizen line in #1 and the aircraft in the last one has a case of jaggies. These are things I can't bear and my reason for shelving FS9.
 

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Reply #27 - Jan 16th, 2011 at 11:53am

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No Jaggies my end I do not suffer from them no stutter or hang ups just good flying ??
It must be your end ?????
I have FSX installed as well why pay more money for addons when I'm OK with FS9?????

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Reply #28 - Jan 16th, 2011 at 12:04pm

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It's all about what your happy with, I like the extra details I get from FSX. (I currently don't use any addons except GEX)
 

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Reply #29 - Jan 16th, 2011 at 6:36pm

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fred39 wrote on Jan 16th, 2011 at 11:53am:
No Jaggies my end I do not suffer from them no stutter or hang ups just good flying ??
It must be your end ?????

I see jaggies on the horizon as well, but they are visible on the first shot only. The horizon looks like a stairway. Perhaps it's the fault of the program you use for resizing your screenshots, or perhaps your antialiasing is not set high enough.

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I have FSX installed as well why pay more money for addons when I'm OK with FS9?????

As said before, it all depends on the addons you're looking for.
If you like the addons that you can get in FS9, then that's perfectly fine. A lot of simmers are in the same exact situation, they are satisfied with what they get with FS9 so they have no reason to switch to FSX.
But some people need something more than what FS9 can bring.
 
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Reply #30 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 9:55am

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wise choice! I had fsx sitting on my pc but hardly ever used it until I upgraded my pc a few weeks ago and I'm finally able to get in and fly smoothly in fsx with all settings maxxed out Smiley
 
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I am another one of those people who "upgraded" to FS9.
I was not able to run FSX at all for a long time, and when I finally got a new laptop it ran fine, the same as FS9 did on the old laptop.
The problem is, I love HD airports and AI traffic. In FSX if I tried to fly into any medium or larger airport with add-on scenery and AI traffic then there was really no point in flying.
With FS9 I can turn all the graphics settings up, install every WOAI package, and fly into areas like NYC with Aerosoft Manhattan and the AI traffic realistically busy at JFK and LGA and have no problems at all with frames.
With some environmental textures (HD Clouds!!!  Cheesy) FS9 can clean up pretty well. The only places where I REALLY miss FSX is water, gliders, and aircraft carriers. Everything else is great.
 

Some say my pinky toe was replaced with a fountain pen, and that I love to ride on nuclear bombs with a saddle. All I know is.... I'm called THE STIG!!!!
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Reply #32 - Feb 21st, 2011 at 11:04am

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I built a new computer a couple months ago, and can finally fly FSX with settings turned up (almost all maxed) and generally am getting 20-25 FPS in most cases. Of course, as of now, all I have is the stock install. No addons (aircraft or scenery) whatsoever.

I keep going back to FS9 though. FS9 naturally runs a lot better on the same computer. With REX for FS9, and all my aircraft addons (both payware and freeware) I just can't step away from the modded FS9 experience. REX really brings FS9 up to FSX levels. I'm still really happy with FS9. If anyone is have performance issues with FSX definitely look into FS9. I highly recommend REX for FS9 though if you're going to "upgrade" to FS9. If you dont want to spend the money on REX, there are other freeware scenery addons.
 

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