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Jun 23rd, 2010 at 2:04pm

Lordluud2   Offline
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Hi gents,

I have got some problems with my framerate when playing FS9.

I have a pretty good machine: GeForce 295GTX, i7-2,66Gh, 6gb Ram, 1Tb HDD etc. but it doesnt run very well.

With not even everything maxed out, only a littlebit of scenery and all (also no AA) the framerate drops and climbs all the time, and when over a city, not even a major one, framerate goes down to about 40. When in the mountains it goes from 40 to 80, it just keeps fluctating.

Any ideas on how to improve this?

oh yes, and this:

I have a 360 Controller for windows and I want the View (look left, right, up down etc) to be controlled with my right joystick, but it wont assign it. it will only choose the D-pad Sad

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Reply #1 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm

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Lock your framerate to about 24-28 and enjoy the better ecenery rendition.  Ignote the framerate counter.... it is not about framerates... it is about the smoothness of the flight and the scenery details.  Getting 40 fps out of fs2004 is great.  YOu are wasting cpu cycles on frames when it sould be used to improve the simulation.

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Reply #2 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 4:29pm

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I like the outside view alot and I love a nice scenery, but I can never live with frames under 30. Even from 80 to 50 I can notice and it annoys the hell out of me.

Also, when facing the air in my F-16 cockpit, it stays at a steady 60 frames. But like a few seconds in, it suddenly drops to about 30 for a few seconds, than goes back to 60 for a longer period of time before it does it again. Annoying as hell.

Some say it isnt possible to detect those kind of frame fluctuations, but that is horse **i*  Cheesy
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 5:39pm

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The fluctuations are visible, but if you lock the frames at say 30, it will look and run a lot smoother.
 
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Reply #4 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 5:56pm

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Horse - ?? You must hate watching TV! I doubt that TV manufacturers wordwide would agree with you since the PAL frame rate is 25 fps and NTSC is only marginally more at a hair under 30.

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Reply #5 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 6:06pm

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Tv has got somekind of blur between the frames, pc's (or whatever) have not.

But that wasnt my question. I just want to know if i can improve my performance, and how I can get that view button assigned!
 
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Reply #6 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 6:25pm

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Lordluud2 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 6:06pm:
Tv has got somekind of blur between the frames, pc's (or whatever) have not.

But that wasnt my question. I just want to know if i can improve my performance, and how I can get that view button assigned!


JBaymore wrote on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 4:05pm:
Lock your framerate to about 24-28 and enjoy the better scenery rendition.  Ignore the framerate counter.... it is not about framerates... it is about the smoothness of the flight and the scenery details.  Getting 40 fps out of fs2004 is great.  You are wasting cpu cycles on frames when it should be used to improve the simulation.

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If you fly on on-line Multiplayer you are required to lock your Frame Rate to 20 FPS, which means everyone experiences a smooth flight, and doesn't overload the Server!

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Reply #7 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 7:02pm

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Lordluud2 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 6:06pm:
Tv has got somekind of blur between the frames, pc's (or whatever) have not.

But that wasnt my question. I just want to know if i can improve my performance, and how I can get that view button assigned!



You are just not hearing the answer you want to hear.  Getting 40-60 fps in flight sim is excellent, more than most other people.  But to get it to run smoothly, you will have to limit your frames, end of story.
 
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Reply #8 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 7:08pm

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Alright then, if that is what it takes.

I just find it a tad strange that a 6 year old game doesnt run on a brand new 2010 computer. I really thought it could be fixed.

Thanks for the help though, I'll try to mess around with the frames a bit.
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 9:59pm

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FS9 is no game.  Wink It's a Flight Simulator.

BIG difference.

Think about all of the things it demands of your entire system,
all at once, and then that 40fps will amaze you, rather than disappoint you.   Smiley

An ordinary game, is following a set path of parameters & actions, in a very tiny world environment, with set environmental conditions.
Getting insane frames in these kind of games should be child's play for your system.

FS9 & FSX have to simulate the entire world,
with constantly changing variables, weather conditions, traffic, scenery,
plus the split second actions the pilot decides to make.
And it has to struggle to do all of this in the most realistic way possible within the confines of it's programming,
and how it operates on your hardware.

And you must realize, that your processor is taking the brunt of the load in all of this,
whereas a normal game is sending most of the work load to the Graphics card,
you should be thrilled to get 40fps with all sliders cranked.

I've never seen it on my system.

 
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Reply #10 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 10:58pm

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and I would KILL to have 40FPS, let alone 20.   I can barely squeak 15! and that is locked at 25, looking at a 1am CLEAR sky.... no ground.   My FPS range from 14.9 down to 3 depending on craft and where i am flying and clouds.   Im da*n happy when it hits 15.
 

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Reply #11 - Jun 24th, 2010 at 7:52am

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Lordluud2 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 7:08pm:
Alright then, if that is what it takes.

I just find it a tad strange that a 6 year old game doesnt run on a brand new 2010 computer. I really thought it could be fixed.

Thanks for the help though, I'll try to mess around with the frames a bit.


I have an AMD quad core processor, with 8G of RAM and video card with 1G of RAM.  I am lucky to get high 20s-30s for frames, with sliders not even maxxed out.  Flight sim is very resource intensive, for the reasons listed by Shane.
 
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Reply #12 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:04pm

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here is the funny part though.

When I max everything out, AA, max autogen and all the FlyTampa StMaarten ad-on scenery and the standard cessna frames go through the roof, never dropping below 55. But when I select a downloaded aircraft... Well, all those nice frames seem to dissapear.

Clearly my rig is up to the task to create glass smooth images with the stock planes but not with the downloaded ones.
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:10pm

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That's because the stock planes are of a much lesser quality than the addons, and don't affect your system as much.

Less polygons, lower quality visuals, etc...

That would be Microsoft's smart buisness practices in action.  Wink 
By not making the defaults as good as they could have been, they are able to run easily on a wider variety of hardware configurations.

That's why I can fly Posky planes all day long just fine, but my system comes to a crawl if I load up a PMDG plane.
 
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Reply #14 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:23pm

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What kind of computers do the ones who fly FSX with all the eye-candy turned on have?

I sometimes see videos on youtube with some very nice framerate, extremely pretty graphics but with a pc who's hardware is 'less' good than mine.

Cant wrap my head around it  Angry
 
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Reply #15 - Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:36pm

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Lordluud2 wrote on Jun 25th, 2010 at 2:23pm:
What kind of computers do the ones who fly FSX with all the eye-candy turned on have?

I sometimes see videos on youtube with some very nice framerate, extremely pretty graphics but with a pc who's hardware is 'less' good than mine.

Cant wrap my head around it  Angry






Those people are the ones who have tweaked, overclocked, and perfectly fined tuned every aspect of their system,
to insure that it runs its best.
The choice of various performance enhancing environment, and scenery addons also helps.

And I'm willing to bet, that none of those systems are pushing much over 20-30fps. 

The reason that FPS mean nothing in MSFS, is because the fps counter is flawed, and very inaccurate.
you can check this with Fraps, or any other utility that keeps track of FPS.

With MSFS, it's all about smooth appearance.
I've had my system locked at 20fps for years, and never notice anything unusual,
because it performs smooth, no stutters. 

That's the big secret of those systems you speak of -
You need to find the lowest fps setting that you can lock it at,
and still maintain smooth appearing flight,
and then you have effectively freed up a ton of CPU power to render all the eye candy.  Smiley

It's a big balancing act, that is 100% unique to every system. 
Even two identical setups, will need different settings to achieve the same goal.   Wink



 
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Reply #16 - Jun 26th, 2010 at 7:51am

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I have an extremely old (ancient) system which I haven't tweaked, fiddled with, or upgraded, for the past 6+ years and it runs FS 2004 smoothly to my satisfaction, locked at 20 FPS.
It slows down a bit now and again in busy areas, but because I am not paranoid about it, I rarely notice the drop in frame rates, and if I do notice it, I take it in my stride and just wait to clear the area.
FS 2004 is wonderful for running on a lowly computer system, and is highly recommended for Folks having "problems?" with FSX... Wink...!

I certainly don't spend my time during flight with my eyes glued to the Frame Rate Counter!.... Shocked....!

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All the FS 2004 settings maxed. Nothing is Clocked. Frame rate locked at 20 FPS...

...and a smoothy-smoothy flight, (most of the time)... Kiss....!

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