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Mar 30^th, 2010 at 1:18pm

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So I escaped FSX to go to FS9 to get better framerates and get ENBseries bloom working. Sadly, it still doesn't work.

I have got v0074_g the San Andreas one. I have put the DLL and config in the FS9 main directory. I fire up the sim and nothing. F12, shift F12, control + shift + F12 and any other possible choice of the last 4 'F' buttons does nothing.

Any ideas why it isn't showing up now?

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Reply #1 - Mar 30^th, 2010 at 2:02pm

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You have to check which key assignement is done in the enbseries.ini (check the documentation on Boris website).
You'll also have to check that that same key combo (usually SHIFT+F12) is not assigned to some other action in FS.
Finally, if your video card is not powerfull enough, the bloom might simply not work at all.

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Reply #2 - Mar 30^th, 2010 at 4:27pm

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I checked about F12 being assigned, but not Shift-F12. Well the thing that always confused me is that I used to have bloom on FSX working just fine and the hardware is exactly the same as it was before. So I will try as you suggested when I get a free moment and see if that cures it.

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Reply #3 - Mar 30^th, 2010 at 9:41pm

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in FS9 Settings/DISPLAY ... do you have LENS FLARE checked so that the bloom will show??

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Reply #4 - Mar 31^st, 2010 at 5:02am

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Nope, the bloom module is totally independent from any setting in FS (excepted the DX10 preview in FSX, that's the one and only option that would disable the bloom module).

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Reply #5 - Mar 31^st, 2010 at 8:59am

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Ah, well those options are on anyway Embarrassed

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Reply #6 - Mar 31^st, 2010 at 9:34am

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Using "shift+z", (or fraps, if you have it) see what your framerates are before and after hitting "shift+F12". If the module is working (even if you don't notice any visual changes) you should see a slight drop in framerates. If you DO see a drop in framerates after activating the bloom, then it may just be a matter of tweaking the .ini.

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Reply #7 - Mar 31^st, 2010 at 9:51am

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Though my FPS is rattling around a bit as it is, there appears to be no difference in switching bloom 'on'. It averages at pretty much the same.

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Reply #8 - Mar 31^st, 2010 at 7:11pm

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dumb question, but what does the README say about installation??

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Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 11:23am

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Well the readme is for Grand Theft Auto, but it says to stick the files into the directory where the .exe of the program exists. Which, as far as I can make out, is the FS9 root directory. This reflects Daube's instructions.

The only other thing I can think of doing is updating my nVidia software. May that provoke it to work?

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Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2010 at 1:57pm

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machineman9 wrote on Apr 1^st, 2010 at 11:23am:

Well the readme is for Grand Theft Auto, but it says to stick the files into the directory where the .exe of the program exists. Which, as far as I can make out, is the FS9 root directory. This reflects Daube's instructions.

The only other thing I can think of doing is updating my nVidia software. May that provoke it to work?

Now that you mention it, I think Harold was having a similar issue, and he updated his DirectX files, and that fixed it. Worth a try.

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Reply #11 - Apr 3^rd, 2010 at 12:33pm

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Nope, it seems to still not function Sad

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Reply #12 - May 5^th, 2010 at 4:55pm

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No matter how I configure the INI file, the bloom effect almost freezes my sim (5 seconds between a key press and the reaction).
Do you think it's my CPU?

EDIT: I've found several (rather old) posts on this and on other forums, of people saying they were able to use the effect, and they also had low end spec CPUs like mine (Harold, for example, has/had a single core PIV). So there must be some other reason... please lend me a hand, I've seen the difference this effect can make and I'm very eager to use it!
Let's start from square one: what's the latest version and what's a working URL to download it (the latest one Daube posted doesn't work)?

« Last Edit: May 6^th, 2010 at 4:16am by FridayChild »

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Reply #13 - May 6^th, 2010 at 10:00am

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FridayChild wrote on May 5^th, 2010 at 4:55pm:

Let's start from square one: what's the latest version and what's a working URL to download it (the latest one Daube posted doesn't work)?

Bottom of the page.

~~http://www.simviation.com/simviation/index.php?type=item&ID=85&page=25~~

It works in FS9 just fine for me, but I get a 'whited out' screen in FSX with it.
Also, I never 'activate' this with a button push, it just seems to always be on for me. Not sure if this is due to a saved flight config or not.

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This situation reminds me of a certain F-18 VC that works perfect for some people, but others get the black cockpit issue.
Daube knows which one I mean. Wink

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Reply #14 - May 6^th, 2010 at 10:43am

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In order to work, the bloom module absolutely needs DirectX9 to be completely up-to-date with the various updates from Microsoft.

You'll have to download the DirectX9 runtimes, I guess the filename is something like dxwebsetup.exe. This file is rather small, but it checks the MS site and downloads all of the necessary updates for your computer.

Also, the bloom will not work if the video card is too weak, or if it doesn't have enough video memory onboard, or if the AntiAliasing is set too high.

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Reply #15 - May 6^th, 2010 at 12:16pm

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I've already double checked all these hints.

One by one:

In order to work, the bloom module absolutely needs DirectX9 to be completely up-to-date with the various updates from Microsoft.
And it is: I have installed the latest "refresh" runtimes, as I always do (I'm an update-freak!) Wink

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Also, the bloom will not work if the video card is too weak, or if it doesn't have enough video memory onboard,
As you can see from my signature, I have got a very strong video card with a current chipset and 1 GB of VRAM.

or if the AntiAliasing is set too high.
It's set to 4x, a value which I believe almost all flight simmers use. Sad

Sad

So the reason must be something else. It could be the CPU, but in this case the problem is probably not the fact that it's single core or that it's fairly slow, because it appears that other users were/are using the bloom with a similar CPU. Perhaps an Athlon64-only problem?
Please consider also that I was getting the exact same problem with my old video card, an NVidia 6600GT; nothing has changed when I changed the card, the bloom still turns my sim into a beautiful frozen screenshot.

But first of all, the version I was using is older than the one on SimV, I'll try that and keep you posted about the outcome.

Thanks

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Reply #16 - May 6^th, 2010 at 12:35pm

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Oop-la, I've tested and here I am again.
Soo.... the new version solved the problem!
Meaning that... NOW I HAVE NO BLOOM AT ALL Grin

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Exactly like the guy who started the thread. Default ini file, shift+f12 is not assigned to anything, directx up to date, powerful video card... and no bloom Sad

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Reply #17 - May 6^th, 2010 at 7:00pm

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Now this is really strange...
When you press SHIFT+F12, you don't see anything happening ? Not even a little screen flash or something like that ?
Also, how does the [EFFECT] section of the ini file looks like ? Can you confirm only the bloom parameter is set to 1 ?

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Reply #18 - May 7^th, 2010 at 2:47am

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Daube wrote on May 6^th, 2010 at 7:00pm:

Now this is really strange...
When you press SHIFT+F12, you don't see anything happening ? Not even a little screen flash or something like that ?
Also, how does the [EFFECT] section of the ini file looks like ? Can you confirm only the bloom parameter is set to 1 ?

When I press SHIFT+12, nothing happens at all.
The .INI file is the one packed in the download from Simviation: the bloom parameter and the shadow parameter are set to 1, the rest is set to 0. I'll paste the [EFFECT] section here for convenience:

[EFFECT]
EnableBloom=1
EnableOcclusion=0
EnableReflection=0
EnableMotionBlur=0
EnableWater=0
EnableShadow=1
DepthBias=50

EDIT: I've found Boris Vorontsov's ENBSeries website: http://enbdev.com/index_en.html
In the download section, I cannot find a specific Flight Simulator version of the filter (does this mean it was adapted to FS by someone else?), but in turn I can find *two* DLL files belonging to DirectX9: the first (d3dx9_26) is the one provided with the Simviation package, and then there's another one (d3dx9_40)... do I need both? I'm confused... Shocked

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PPS: anyway... there's an illustrated drivers setting section in his website, since he appears to have an ATI too I might copy his settings and see if it makes any difference, if I'll be able to understand what dobro kraniska woznich dnepro means Grin

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« Last Edit: May 7^th, 2010 at 7:04am by FridayChild »

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Reply #19 - May 7^th, 2010 at 11:35am

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OK guys, now I'm REALLY confused.
I've searched this forum and found this thread...
It seems that the two files I mentioned before are simply *additional* files which must be present in the root folder *in case they aren't in the system folder alread*..
Then there is a DLL file which is supposed to be the actual effect file, and finally an INI file.
Am I correct?
Then... where's the DLL effect file in the SimV download? It's not there! There is one of the two DirectX DLL files instead...
Huh

Huh

Roll Eyes

Huh

If I am right and the SimV download is missing one or more files... which one of the files available for download from the ENBSeries web site is the one that is supposed to work in FS? The one for GTA San Andreas?

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Reply #20 - May 7^th, 2010 at 11:51am

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Its simply about dumping the two files into your FS folder. To my knowledge, you don't have to put anything in the system folder, just your FS folder.

The one I use is the one for GTA San Andreas, I believe, since there is a little red text that pops up every time I start FS that mentions "GTA San Andreas." You can try this link also for downloading EMB: http://realenvironmentxtreme.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7467.0;at...

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Reply #21 - May 7^th, 2010 at 12:21pm

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OK... SOLVED!

Let's state some facts now:

FACT #1: the download on SimV (the one linked by ShaneG) is BROKEN. It does not contain the actual effect file, which is supposed to be called d3d9.dll and to be authored by mr. Vorontsov

FACT#2: there are many different d3d9.dll files around, and some of them have the same version number (1.0.0.1 for example) but they are NOT identical, and work in a different way (for example, one of the files I tried, downloaded from Vorontsov's site, had the effect of disabling all the textures)

FACT#3: as a matter of fact, at least in my case, the file provided by Rocket_Bird actually WORKS, the effect can be switched on with SHIFT+F12 and it has very little performance hit.

So THANK YOU VERY MUCH Rocket for your decisive help, and I hope this solves the problem for someone else too.

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Reply #22 - May 7^th, 2010 at 4:14pm

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I'm glad this worked for you

Happy flying!

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Reply #23 - May 8^th, 2010 at 6:32am

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FridayChild wrote on May 7^th, 2010 at 12:21pm:

OK... SOLVED!

Let's state some facts now:

FACT #1: the download on SimV (the one linked by ShaneG) is BROKEN. It does not contain the actual effect file, which is supposed to be called d3d9.dll and to be authored by mr. Vorontsov

FACT#2: there are many different d3d9.dll files around, and some of them have the same version number (1.0.0.1 for example) but they are NOT identical, and work in a different way (for example, one of the files I tried, downloaded from Vorontsov's site, had the effect of disabling all the textures)

FACT#3: as a matter of fact, at least in my case, the file provided by Rocket_Bird actually WORKS, the effect can be switched on with SHIFT+F12 and it has very little performance hit.

So THANK YOU VERY MUCH Rocket for your decisive help, and I hope this solves the problem for someone else too.

Ah yes, that story about the incomplete archive at Simviation reminds me of something, now that you mention it...

Glad to see you could solve the problem. You guessed right, there are no FS-dedicated version of the bloom module, we use the one made for GTA San Andreas in fact.

So, how is it going, do you get some good visual effects now ?

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Reply #24 - May 8^th, 2010 at 11:22am

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Right now, I'm using the INI file Rocket_Bird gave me.
It's set to a very slight effect, very reasonable, I think it enhances the graphics and I haven't noticed a frame hit.
So, the only problem for me now is how to get rid of the horrible shimmering effect of the runways and the taxiways (see other thread).

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