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Oct 10th, 2008 at 10:53pm

vgbaron   Offline
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Asus Rampage Formula/ Q6600 G0/ Mushkin 996535 1066 DDR

*had* 3.6 stable on 680i chipset @ 800FSB memory 5-5-4-12-2T
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Currently max at 3.24 (360x9)
vCore Auto  (1.32)
NB Auto
Dram Voltage - 2.20 - 5-5-4-12-2T
Max temp 59C under OCCT

Lots of settings on this mobo - I'm guessing next step is to take vCore out of auto but what about NB? When should that voltage get tweaked?

Tried jumping to 400FSB with vCore 1.45 and 1066 memory but failed OCCT and temps git up to 68C.

Just not sure what next step should be with this mobo.

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Reply #1 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 1:20am

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OK

Little trade secret .. Tony at OCZ and I worked of the AS RE BIOS and I will give you the numbers for bliss operation but they require 2 things be in order

1. Your CPU cooler… better be a 120 extreme or the OCZ Vendetta2 correctly installed.. V2 is better than the 120 Extreme and comes with a fan. Temps for Q6600 must remain under 75-80c for the true CPU diode reading (CoreTemp) in OCCT load test
2. Your memory will truly handle 1066 @ 5-5-5 timing

Heres the magic assuming latest official BIOS

Note: Settiongs names could be differences based on BIOS changes

1.      Disable all the CPU crap under the Advanced  CPU Configuration menu… Speedstep CE1, Vanderpool,,. All of it DISABLED
2.      Under the Adavaced menu… Ai Overclock Tuner MANUAL, CPU speed is 9x, CPU STRAP is 333, FSB is 400, PCIe is 100, memory settings are MANUAL, command is 2N DRAM Timing Control is 5-5-5- (your known tRAS), DRAM Frequency is 1066 to 1086 depending on BIOS dropdown) all else auto,,, DRAM Static Read Control DISABLED..
3.      CPU Voltage 1.45v … North Bridge Voltage 1.4 – 1.55 max
4.      DRAM Voltage your max warrantee DDR2 voltage
5.      Loadline Calibration ENABLED’
6.      CPU Spread Spectrum PCIE Spread Spectrum DISABLED
7.      Northbridge Configuration menu… 4GB installed? Memory Remap Feature ENABLED
8.      PCI/PNP … Plug and Prey OS… YES

The rest of the crap such as Qfan and temp monitoring is up to you.

Heres the skinny.. after setting everything up, SAVE and Exit… if the system hangs or refuses to boot, hold the tower POWER button in till the system shuts down, then push the POWER button ONCE.. system should power up and power down... hit the power button AGAIN and it should reboot but MAY reboot with overclocking FAILED,.. if that happens F1 to enter the BIOS but DON’T do ANYTHING, hit F-10 save and exit

Baby will boot like a rocket if the NB voltage and memory are in order.. if it fails again, raise NB voltage from 1.42 to 1.55 and do it again

The deal here is NB should never go over 60c and the CPU stays under 75-80c in a full OCCT test.. if it don’t the cooler ain’t working right or Vcore is too high.. drop Vcore and try till it is not stable then you know where Vcore limit is and temp

memory must be able to do the memspeed and timing listed

Assuming cooler and memory are OK, 2x2GB may require tweaking in GTL, VTT and SKEW but dont mess with that unless I tell you what to do




 
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Reply #2 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 1:32am

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BTW

If you ever get a real processor, like a Q9650 (Pquad 9 mult) or a QX series proc. ... set FSB to 450, verify the memspeed is 1066-1086, vcore must be reduced due to P Quad (45nm) to 1.28-1.36 max (65nm to 1.45v at 8x) and rock your world

Sam over at Avsim is dangerous to FSX users..  his Q6600 recomendation is based on his limitations on that crap P35 elcheapo DDR2 budget board he runs




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Reply #3 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 1:52am

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Will give them a try! Use liquid cooling so temps shouldn't be a problem. Currently have been running OCCT for 1 hour - max is 54C.

Settings ( based upon a lot of stuff I've been reading before your last post:

FSB 380
Strap 400
memory 1013
vCore 1.45(setting)
NB 1.45
FSB Term 1.38
DRAM V 2.24

Also ran Intel Burn test with no errors.

BUT - I will try your settings.

Looks like the Q9650's are running about $300 - worth it to upgrade?

What could I expect - 450x9 = 4.05?


BTW, he knows more than I do but I agree with your assessment about Sam - even I know some of the things he says aren't quite right.

V
 

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Reply #4 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:02am

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vgbaron wrote on Oct 11th, 2008 at 1:52am:
Will give them a try! Use liquid cooling so temps shouldn't be a problem. Currently have been running OCCT for 1 hour - max is 54C.

Settings ( based upon a lot of stuff I've been reading before your last post:

FSB 380
Strap 400
memory 1013
vCore 1.45(setting)
NB 1.45
FSB Term 1.38
DRAM V 2.24

Also ran Intel Burn test with no errors.

BUT - I will try your settings.

Looks like the Q9650's are running about $300 - worth it to upgrade?

What could I expect - 450x9 = 4.05?


BTW, he knows more than I do but I agree with your assessment about Sam - even I know some of the things he says aren't quite right.

V



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115130

http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=197&topic_id=43631&mode=...

 
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Reply #5 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:15am

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so far so good - temp in OCCT is 55C - haven't completed a pass yet but it booted fine. Only setting I couldn't get - memory options were 1280 or 960 after setting strap to 333 and FSB to 400. Rest was as you suggested.

BTW, the Intelburn test temps are almost 15C higher than OCCT.
Probably tinker for another 1/2 hour and then get some sleep. Try agin in the AM.

LOL you got me thinking about the Q9650 - $300 is ok - $1000 is a little steep.

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Reply #6 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:18am

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vgbaron wrote on Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:15am:
so far so good - temp in OCCT is 55C - haven't completed a pass yet but it booted fine. Only setting I couldn't get - memory options were 1280 or 960 after setting strap to 333 and FSB to 400. Rest was as you suggested.

BTW, the Intelburn test temps are almost 15C higher than OCCT.
Probably tinker for another 1/2 hour and then get some sleep. Try agin in the AM.

LOL you got me thinking about the Q9650 - $300 is ok - $1000 is a little steep.

V



thats strange... let me check BIOS calcs... I may have forgot the 400 and remembered the 450 option on memory divider at 333...

 
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Reply #7 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:22am

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MY BAD

yep... I had my head in 450MHz

400MHz puts you at 4:3 so that is CORRECT!

LOL

SOoooooooooooooo sorry  LOL!



work it out from there


and yes the 9650 will kick ass compared to the Q66
 
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Reply #8 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:22am

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LOL  I rember that Durning clip.  BTW, that $300 price was for a q9550 not 9650. AFter 15min temps in Coretemp are 61C and OCCT says 45

Still running tho.

Maybe I'll give myself an "I like me" present of a q9650.

4.0 sound cool to an old fart like me.  Smiley
 

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Reply #9 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:26am

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$549.99 =

Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz 12MB L2 Cache

9550 is hit and miss


 IF you can confirm a E0 stepping on a Q9550 it will run as cool and CLOSE to the 9650.. if not, spend the buck
 
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Reply #10 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:32am

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hey on liquid you may be able to nail a few MHz higher than 400 x9... give it shot but remember... max vcore is 1.5 with LLC ENABLED and temp is 75c max on OCCT
 
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Reply #11 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:33am

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For an EE you're a good salesman, Nick!

Going to order it before I go to bed. Smiley

Well so far - 1/2 hr OCCT - no probs and max temp cores was 61.

Love it when a plan comes together..

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Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:35am

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NickN wrote on Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:32am:
hey on liquid you may be able to nail a few MHz higher than 400 x9... give it shot but remember... max vcore is 1.5 with LLC ENABLED and temp is 75c max on OCCT



OCCT shows one CPU temp - uses Everest - 45 max load an 27 at idle.
Coretemp shows 61/38 - am I missing somethng here?

ordered q9650 smooth talker!  Smiley
 

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Reply #13 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:42am

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vgbaron wrote on Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:35am:
NickN wrote on Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:32am:
hey on liquid you may be able to nail a few MHz higher than 400 x9... give it shot but remember... max vcore is 1.5 with LLC ENABLED and temp is 75c max on OCCT



OCCT shows one CPU temp - uses Everest - 45 max load an 27 at idle.
Coretemp shows 61/38 - am I missing somethng here?


LOL!!

No sale with me unless it WORKS


Yep you are missing something my friend.. you not reading the true CPU diode with everest.. could be needs updating... use CoreTemp for that!

75c MAX in OCCT

http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=197&topic_id=44481&mode=...



after you get it dialed in.. run the Everest TOOLS - CACHE and MEMORY Benchmark

post the image and I will know everything from that

here is one from my old P35 DDR3 system...

...


read/write = higher and latency = lower are the key
 
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Reply #14 - Oct 11th, 2008 at 2:59am

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...

Here ya go!

 

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