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Nov 15^th, 2006 at 10:11am

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In this BBC news report it states Vista will be available in 6 versions including one for "developing countries" Could someone explain what they mean by that!!!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6130604.stm
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Reply #1 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 10:48am

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thats weird never seen that before

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Reply #2 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 11:48am

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This might explain it. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4754462.stm

VISTA VERSIONS

Vista Business
Vista Enterprise
Vista Home Basic
Vista Home Premium
Vista Ultimate
Vista Starter

The Starter edition is a streamlined version intended for low powered PCs found in many developing nations.

Also note: Also available will be versions made specifically for Europe that, in accordance with an EU mandate, remove the Windows media player.

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Reply #3 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 11:57am

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sod the EU mandate i want WMP cos its the best media player for music library's IMHO

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Reply #4 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 12:20pm

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sod the EU mandate i want WMP cos its the best media player for music library's IMHO

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It's all about choice! WMP wrecked my sound card conguration when I upgraded to XP. I couldn't play my midi files because the WMP sound font is cr@p!!!
I had to wait until I could get a newer card that circumvented WMP. And BTW I don't think it's the best and I therefore would like to choose another and the EU directive allows me to do that and not be dictated to by a monopoly that forces me to use their products only. I still don't know whether or not the issue over "kernel access" has been resolved. As that also comes under the EU directive.
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PS In answer to Hagar most of the comments in that news article are quite negative!!!! Another rush job like FSX??? Shocked

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Reply #5 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 12:32pm

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PS In answer to Hagar most of the comments in that news article are quite negative!!!! Another rush job like FSX??? Shocked

Not sure which article you mean. You seem to have some pretty negative views yourself. Tongue

I'm not sure what you mean about WMP anyway. Even if it ships with the OS nobody is forcing you to use it. With all versions of Windows I've used from 3.1 thru XP it's a simple matter to assign any software you wish as the default program for different file extensions.

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Reply #6 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 1:46pm

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Not sure which article you mean. You seem to have some pretty negative views yourself. Tongue

I'm not sure what you mean about WMP anyway. Even if it ships with the OS nobody is forcing you to use it. With all versions of Windows I've used from 3.1 thru XP it's a simple matter to assign any software you wish as the default program for different file extensions.

First I'm talking about the article in "your" post!!

And on your second point, if that were indeed the case the EU wouldn't have won it's court battle against M(qualcosa)s in America and M(qualcosa)s wouldn't therefore be paying a huge daily fine as of now. The first time one installs XP as an "upgrade" it produces a list of hardware and software that it doesn't like!! Not only did it cripple my 5.1 sound card but killed my then version of "Cakewalk". Obviously if one has used WMP always as "the one" then that ìs what XP wanted to see! Indeed M(qualcosa)s DID force one to use WMP!!
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Reply #7 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 1:59pm

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I can't argue as I've never updated to WinXP from a previous version of Windows. I purchased this machine with the UK version of WinXP installed. It's quite likely that the Cakewalk software you had been using was incompatible with WinXP & simply needed updating. I don't believe that it won't work with WinXP. http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/default.asp

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Reply #8 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 2:07pm

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iTunes puts WMP in it's place no problems.

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Reply #9 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 2:53pm

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Am I missing something? Why is WMP got a ruleling against it in an EU mandate? Am I breaking the law?! Grin

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Reply #10 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 3:29pm

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I can't argue as I've never updated to WinXP from a previous version of Windows. I purchased this machine with the UK version of WinXP installed. It's quite likely that the Cakewalk software you had been using was incompatible with WinXP & simply needed updating. I don't believe that it won't work with WinXP. http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/default.asp

"Now" most software co's like Cakewalk and Itunes are able to get round the coding that only allows WMP. I am talking about a time shortly after XP came onto the market. Not "now!"

No one is breaking the law by using WMP. Only M(qualcosa)s fell foul of the EU's position on monopolies, by packaging WMP in such a way that users were forced to use it and not third party software.. If you are European don't rush out and buy Vista "when" it comes out unless you are absolutely certain it is the European version. unless of course you want M(qualcosa)s to do your virus checking!!!! (I don't!!!!)
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Reply #11 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 3:35pm

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From what I can make out Microsoft & Cakewalk are working together & have been for some time. http://aes.harmony-central.com/121AES/Content/Cakewalk/PR/Fast-Forward-Sonar-6-T...

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Reply #12 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 6:29pm

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And you'll have a hard time buying a non european copy of Vista in Europe. Just like the European copies will be like hens teeth in the states.

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Reply #13 - Nov 15^th, 2006 at 9:20pm

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"Now" most software co's like Cakewalk and Itunes are able to get round the coding that only allows WMP. I am talking about a time shortly after XP came onto the market. Not "now!"

No one is breaking the law by using WMP. Only M(qualcosa)s fell foul of the EU's position on monopolies, by packaging WMP in such a way that users were forced to use it and not third party software.. If you are European don't rush out and buy Vista "when" it comes out unless you are absolutely certain it is the European version. unless of course you want M(qualcosa)s to do your virus checking!!!! (I don't!!!!)
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Aren't you tired of those stupid "conspiracy" theories ?
I did upgrade from Win98 to WinXP with no problems.
NOBODY forces you to use WMP. No lines of coding ever forced you to use it, or ever preventied any third party program to be used.

Since the beginning, I have been using Media Player Classic without any problems. Your "catwalk" stuff stopped working in WMP certainly because the current version was simply incompatible and needed to be updated. For your 5.1 sound card, do you sincerly believe that WMP damaged it ? Isn't it the WinXP drivers instead ? Think about it just a minute, what is the main thing that influences the way your hardware works ? A program or a driver ?

The reason why MS loosed against EU rules is that because WMP was directly included in the Windows package, the average users where not feeling the need to buy a third party program, and this was causing a great loss of money. It's like you buy a new house, and there is already a car in the garage. Will you throw it away and buy a new one just because you lack some options or the top speed is not high enough ?

By the way, if I remember well, the EU only forced MS to issue a "light" version of Windows, so that the customer has the choice of:
- buying a light Windows and buy or download additionnal programs to get a complete OS
- buy a complete Windows and eventually buy or download other progrs if needed.

People that doesn't have internet are certainly happy that the second solution still exists.

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Reply #14 - Nov 16^th, 2006 at 12:14am

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You can just remove Windows Media player.

Also if a new windows install messes up your soundcard, then it's your sound cards makers fault.

It's like saying: "It's Microsofts fault that my sound card dosn't work on a new windows install because Microsoft didn't make my sound card drivers".

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it comes out unless you are absolutely certain it is the European version. unless of course you want M(qualcosa)s to do your virus checking!!!! (I don't!!!!)

Why is that?

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Another rush job like FSX

FsX wasn't rushed. Please stop saying that without any firsthand knowledge of the product.

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