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Reply #45 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 9:57am

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I am totally fine with MS trying to protect their work and their revenues. I never used pirated software and never will ...

My question is actually simple: I could not find this question answered clearly anywhere. If you can answer this or let me know a microsoft email addy I can send this to, I would appreciate it.

I just installed FSX on my computer. Works great. But 6 months from now I want to get a new computer (more powerful) to take advantage of all the FSX features.

Just to be clear I don't want to use FSX on two computer at the same time. I will uninstall FSX from my old rig and install it on the new one.

Will I be allowed to install my copy of FSX on my new computer? or will I be forced to buy a new license?

Anybody knows how to answer this question? or do you know of an email addy at Microsoft I can send my question to?

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Reply #46 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 11:25am

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For my pennyworth!!! I would say that I am also against piracy, however I am also against a software company dictating to me "when, "how", "where", "what" hardware I can use.


Blame the pirates for your inconvenience. If it wasn't for them, you wouldn't have this problem. Wink Grin
 
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Reply #47 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 1:29pm

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I am totally fine with MS trying to protect their work and their revenues. I never used pirated software and never will ...

My question is actually simple: I could not find this question answered clearly anywhere. If you can answer this or let me know a microsoft email addy I can send this to, I would appreciate it.

I just installed FSX on my computer. Works great. But 6 months from now I want to get a new computer (more powerful) to take advantage of all the FSX features.

Just to be clear I don't want to use FSX on two computer at the same time. I will uninstall FSX from my old rig and install it on the new one.

Will I be allowed to install my copy of FSX on my new computer? or will I be forced to buy a new license?

Anybody knows how to answer this question? or do you know of an email addy at Microsoft I can send my question to?

thanks!


Ok well here in the EU M(qualcosa)s is not allowed to force you to re register say by internet or phone everytime you install on an upgraded PC. The programme itself cannot tell the difference everytime is is freshly installed.  The only way is by M(qualcosa)s registering every install. Here thats not allowed by law!!!!
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Reply #48 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 1:43pm

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Ok well here in the EU M(qualcosa)s is not allowed to force you to re register say by internet or phone everytime you install on an upgraded PC. The programme itself cannot tell the difference everytime is is freshly installed.  The only way is by M(qualcosa)s registering every install. Here thats not allowed by law!!!!
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I wonder how that's gonna work, considering that you Euro-peons  Cheesy should be getting the same DVDs we get in the US and the installation (as far as I can tell) REQUIRES an internet connection (or at the very least it requires you to call M ... over the phone to register). Or do you folks in the Old World get a DIFFERENT installation that doesn't require online installation? That wouldn't be fair ... Tongue

Non mi aiuta ma grazie comunque. PS: Me pare de capi' che Microsoft nun te piace ...  Grin o e' solo l'impressione mia?
 

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Reply #49 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 1:52pm

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Ok well here in the EU Microsoft is not allowed to force you to re register say by internet or phone everytime you install on an upgraded PC. The programme itself cannot tell the difference everytime is is freshly installed.  The only way is by Microsoft registering every install. Here thats not allowed by law!!!!

You've stated that several times but I can't find anything about it on the Internet. I've not seen it  mentioned by any European members here with FSX either. (The UK is a full member of the EU & usually first to comply with new regulations.) If you know something about this that I don't can you please confirm it with a link to a reliable source. Thanks. Wink
 

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Reply #50 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 2:06pm

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I wonder how that's gonna work, considering that you Euro-peons  Cheesy should be getting the same DVDs we get in the US and the installation (as far as I can tell) REQUIRES an internet connection (or at the very least it requires you to call M ... over the phone to register). Or do you folks in the Old World get a DIFFERENT installation that doesn't require online installation? That wouldn't be fair ... Tongue

Non mi aiuta ma grazie comunque. PS: Me pare de capi' che Microsoft nun te piace ...  Grin o e' solo l'impressione mia?

Not quite true. How do you think those folks in non english speaking countries get theirs in a foreign lingo? Tongue
 

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Reply #51 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 2:17pm

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Not quite true. How do you think those folks in non english speaking countries get theirs in a foreign lingo? Tongue

Yeah but they don't change the compiled code. They change the language files (which are generally only text files and don't require the software to be re-compiled). When they have software distributed to other countries they just give them the text files with the "symbols" in them linked to translated text.

But ... maybe I am wrong. I do software but not (alas) gaming software, so maybe it works different for FSX ...
 

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Reply #52 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 2:29pm

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But ... maybe I am wrong. I do software but not (alas) gaming software, so maybe it works different for FSX ...

Woodlouse has a good point. I think it goes a little deeper than pure text files & instructions. From shots I've seen of Japanese & German versions of other MS software (FS002 & CFS2) the UI & menu bars are completely different. Windows is also different. The various different language versions would have to be packaged separately & changes to the software or registration process* could easily be incorporated.

*Unless vololiberista can confirm it I'm not convinced that the law on this is any different in Europe or other parts of the world.
 

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Reply #53 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 3:06pm

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Ok, well unfortunately i can't provide a link as EU law is very convoluted  and it is quite difficult without costly subscriptions to get any detailed info. and this may not even be accessable via the net. You may have to order at a cost certain documents to be sent or downloaded. The fact that one can't find something on the net doesn't mean it isn't true.  When I use the net I am sometimes quite surprised that I can find something and on the other hand surprised that I cannot.
From a legal standpoint the EU laws covering consumer rights and protection are in themselves wide ranging enough without having to be specific. As i said in an earlier post EULA's are very difficult to enforce here. It's been tried largely without success.
Suffice to say that as far as XP goes, in the EU one does not have to register it with MS. The very first issues of XP did have to be registered but the EU protested and thereafter in future releases it was optional. Maybe FSX will go the same way (let's see) MS always seems to try something on until they get caught and as far as Vista is concerned the EU has already said "no way José" regarding the reluctance of MS to allow third parties into their kernel software. This at the very least would mean no virus checkers other than MS own!!
I'm sorry that what I've said may not help and that I don't have any links. I do have alot of paperwork but I don't really want to waste time scanning it and posting it here.  Especially as i'm just about to reach my cruising altitude of FL360 on my RTW trip - Tokyo being the next destination. FS9 calls Ci vediamo presto Ciao.
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Reply #54 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 3:18pm

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The fact that one can't find something on the net doesn't mean it isn't true.

I accept that & you could well be correct. However, I always like to check my facts before posting bold statements on an open forum & quote reliable sources wherever possible. You are the only one that I have ever seen mention activation of WinXP in Europe being optional & if this is correct it surprises me. Even if it is correct I'm not convinced the same applies to FSX or other software. From what I can see the EU issues with Microsoft are yet to be resolved & likely to take a very long time. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4938610.stm

PS. There is a difference between activation & registration. Registration of all versions of WinXP IS optional. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/evaluation/features/activation.mspx
 

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Reply #55 - Oct 27th, 2006 at 10:05pm

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Hello i just saw all this answers on this post.I think i ofended many opinions here, and for that IM SORRY.What i meant to say was (and some body also said it in a better english that mine Grin) did we buy the software or rented it. I know all fs are diferent , it was very good that everybody that upgraded machines for FSX could have the results they wanted, but unfort. there are many people that upgraded and bought the game and realised that is better to stay with FS9 (im not comparing them) not because they, want its because its expensive and they cant spend money like some other companions of flying can, but not just that they cant change the harware other wise they gonna fing that  all those rights they payd dont belong to them(im not talking about copyright), and i think thats wrong.Remember when the demo came out , there were already people saying that that was strange.
In conclusion once again IM SORRY if i ofended anybody, i love this forum and i've learned so many with the OBI-ONES that i couldnt lieve without them.
IM SORRY
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Reply #56 - Oct 28th, 2006 at 2:23am

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Ciao 757etc!!!
Don't worry sometimes passions get inflamed but our passion is the sim and for those of who do real flying we get a double kick!! lol
Yes, if M(qualcosa)s had their way they would certainly make you believe you have rented the programmme.  You have bought it and they cannot pretend otherwise. They might get upset if you modified their code and published / sold the modification!
I was quite amused to read the link in Hagar's post that already some people are having to upgrade their dvd players "just" in order to install FSX!!!!!!

As a real pilot I would shudder at having to use M(qualcosa)s software in my a/c This image says it all!

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Reply #57 - Oct 28th, 2006 at 3:07am

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I am totally fine with MS trying to protect their work and their revenues. I never used pirated software and never will ...

My question is actually simple: I could not find this question answered clearly anywhere. If you can answer this or let me know a microsoft email addy I can send this to, I would appreciate it.

I just installed FSX on my computer. Works great. But 6 months from now I want to get a new computer (more powerful) to take advantage of all the FSX features.

Just to be clear I don't want to use FSX on two computer at the same time. I will uninstall FSX from my old rig and install it on the new one.


Will I be allowed to install my copy of FSX on my new computer? or will I be forced to buy a new license?

Anybody knows how to answer this question? or do you know of an email addy at Microsoft I can send my question to?

thanks!


If I understand the FAQs correctly........

The short answer is, no one has to buy a new license no mater how many times they install it.

1) You can re- install/activate it as many time as you like as long as you don't change major  hardware or change computers.

1) You can then ativate it once after a major hardware or computer change

3) After a major hardware/ computer change you can again  re-install/activate it as ofter as you wish.

4) If you then change major hardware/ computers a second time you the must then call the toll free number to get a new activation  key for the new hardware/ computer..... not unlike  as you have to do with XP.


Bottom line, you can re- install it/activate it as often as you want,  on different systems etc.
Just be aware that you will have to call the toll fee number  for a new key each time a particular  activation quota is used up.
Again this is simular to actvating XP.


 

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Reply #58 - Oct 28th, 2006 at 4:14am

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Volibrista, when you press acept at the EULA then they have permission to scan the computer, in fact, you dont even own the software, you are only allowd to use it for a determined period of time.
 
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Reply #59 - Oct 28th, 2006 at 5:56am

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Volibrista, when you press acept at the EULA then they have permission to scan the computer, in fact, you dont even own the software, you are only allowd to use it for a determined period of time.

This is the nub of the problem!!! That's technically illegal and in fact there are many cases annually involving EULA disputes.  American law and European law differ on many points. For example in the USA you have to give permission NOT to receive publicity. There are many websites for example that don't provide for this or if they do it's not obvious. Of course many do make it obvious.
On the other hand as far as UK, EU and Italian law goes it is the complete opposite. Here it is assumed you DO NOT want publicity unless you expressly ask for it.
Here I'm legally entitled to take any software co. to court  for having been coerced into giving permission to be spied upon just in order to use their software.  As said previously most EULA cases heard in the EU fail because here the only enforceable part of the EULA is copyright of the code. Many large commercial enterprises play the game in order not to get involved in expensive legal suites so the software co's effectively get away with malpractice!!
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