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I've had a thought and possibal project that I might persue, which is doing a aircraft carrier with functional Ramps that rise and fall, to the lower deck. Do you agree with my hypothesis, Kat?

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My knowledge with scenery is still limited, so I don't know.

FS95 or FS98 use to support rising and falling platforms, but they were jerky and are sometimes the cause of crashes in those versions.

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I'm talking FS series. Not CFS.

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They bothe imply different parameters, which only designers can really imply too. Which means, it' will require a altereation in it's function.

My, my, my. Just by looking at all these posts, I can tell that this forum is really feeling down at the moment.

































Why am I not surprised?

My thoughts Bindoe and kathahu.

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FS9 doesnt fully support surround sound anyway 
What it can do is to emulate the sound so it is distributed to 4 speakers (like when we listen to Mp3's on 5.1 systems...mp3 is only stereo)

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Uh. I have a Sound Blaster X-fi Xtreme Music.

My point was fs9 didn't have soround sound, while fsX does.

Microsoft Flight Simulator Installation
World Mesh, Terrain & Environment
SIMULATOR BUILD.

1.      Microsoft Flight Simulator  “A Century of Flight” 4 discs                  DONE
2.      FS 9 “Update Patch”.                                                      DONE
3.      FSUIPC Module                                                            DONE
4.      FS9 “No CD Patch”.                                                      DONE
5.      FS Global 2005 78 Meter World Mesh (Updates from Site)                        DONE
     6.      Real Scene USA, Puerto Rico & Hawaii 38meter Mesh                        DONE
     7.      FS Genesis Landclass ALL UPDATES!                                    DONE
     8.      FS Genesis 38m Cordillera Mesh (Update in folder) see the tongass update            DONE
     9.      FS Genesis 38m Yukon Territory Mesh & 2nd Disc                        DONE
   10.  FS Genesis 9.6m Grand Canyon Mesh                                    DONE
   11.  FS Genesis 38m Mexico Mesh                                                DONE
   12.  FS Genesis 9.6m Hawaiian Islands Mesh                                    DONE
   13.  FS Genesis 38m Atlantic Canada Mesh                                    DONE
   14.  FS Genesis 19m Alps Mesh                                                DONE
   14.  FS Genesis 10m Monument Valley                                          DONE
   14.  FS Genesis Worldwide Buffer Mesh Lod4/5/6 ALL Updates                  DONE
   15.  Install Anti Virus Software (Adware, Nod32, CWShredder,Reg Mechanic)                  DONE
   16.  Install O&O Defrag                                                      DONE
   17.  Ultimate Terrain USA                                                      DONE
   18.  Ultimate Terrain Canada Alaska                                          DONE
   19.  Ultimate Terrain Europe                                                DONE
   19.  Install HOTAS Cougar Joystick Software                                    DONE
   20.  Flight Environment                                                      DONE
   21.  Sound Environment                                                      DONE
   22.  Ground Environment (all updates)                                          DONE
   23.  FS Configurator                                                            DONE
24.  Vancouver FSAddon                                                      DONE
25.      Aerosoft Freight Scenery                                                      DONE
26.        Aerosoft Freight Dogs the Scenery      )                                    DONE
27.        Misty Fjords FS Addon (Install Misty Patch)                              DONE
28.        Caribe Mesh (Antilles & 3 other islands)                                    DONE
29.        Ultimate Traffic (All updates & schedules)                                    DONE
30.        New Zealand 20m by Red Baron Ent.                                    DONE
31.        New Zealand TOPO Scenery for 20m                                          DONE
32.        New Zealand Godzone Airport Rotorua                                    DONE
33.        New Zealand Godzone Airport Tauranga                                    DONE
34.        Roads & Rails of new Zealand                                                DONE
35.        Flight Scenery Rhode Island                                                DONE
36.        Rhode Island Patches http://www.flightscenery.com/flightzone01/links.htm                  DONE
37.        FS Addon Orcas Island      (afcad update) (manual install!!)                  DONE
38.       Aerosoft Martha’s Vineyard Scenery (Beech aircraft installs also)            DONE
39.       Active Camera (New and patch}                                          DONE
40.       Vistas Australis & .Net Framework Software                              DONE
41.       Airport Environment V7                                                      DONE
42.       FS Autostart                                                            DONE
43.       Radio Tower Lighting                                                      DONE
44.       Snow Ice Runways                                                            DONE
45.       Touchdown Effect                                                            DONE
46.       France VFR Flight Riviera [Base pack)                                    DONE
47.       France VFR Flight Riviera  [autogen pack]
48.       Salt Lake City FSAddon (texture patch)                                    DONE
49.       Newark Imaginesim (Afcad package)      (not good)                              DONE
50.       Aircraft Sound Enhancements                                                DONE
51.       Nav light package      [must do!!]                                                DONE
52.       Airport Lighting V2 BEST! [there are 3 others but all halo.bmp}                        DONE
53.       Aerosoft Cape Canaveral                                                      DONE
54.       Aerosoft France 1                                                            DONE      
55.       Aerosoft France 2                                                            DONE
56.       Aerosoft Germany 1                                                      DONE
57.       Aerosoft Germany 2                                                      DONE
58.       Aerosoft Germany 3                                                      DONE
59.       Aerosoft Germany 4                                                      DONE
60.       Aerosoft VFR Berlin                                                      DONE
61.       Aerosoft Mega Frankfurt Airport                                          DONE
62.       Aerosoft Life in Elba (fly the lakes)                                          DONE
63.       Aerosoft Manhattan                                                      DONE
64.       Aerosoft Islands of Malta                                                      DONE
65.       France VFR La Reunion                                                      DONE
66.       Fly the Lakes “Cloud9”                                                      DONE
67.       Bremmerton                                                                  DONE
68.       S10 Chelan Muni      (patch?)                                                DONE
69.       All Coastal Ship Enhancements                                          DONE
70.       Gerish Greys Trees V3                                                      DONE
71.       Vancouver Airport                                                            DONE
72.       Lago - Georender            Emma Field                                          DONE
73.       Lago - Georender 1      Ranger Creek-Flying Ranch                        DONE
74.       Lago - Georender 2      Bryce Canyon                                    DONE
75.       Lago – Georender 3      Diamond Point                                    DONE
76.       Lago - Georender 4      Darrington Muni                                    DONE
77.       Lago – Georender 5      Forks                                                DONE
78.       Lago – Georender 6      Strom Sky Harbor                                    DONE
79.       Lago – Georender            Harvey Monroe                                    DONE
80.       Lago – Georender            Wenache Skykomish                              DONE
81.       Lago – Georender            Honolulu                                          DONE
82.       France VFR Corsica                                                      DONE
83.       Wonderful Rio                                                            DONE
84.       Mt Rainer Scenery                                                            DONE
85.       Aerosoft VLNK                                                            DONE
86.       Flight Zone LFRD                                                            DONE
87.       France VFR Mayotte Island                                                DONE
88.       FlyTampa Midway                                                            DONE
89.       FlyTampa San Francisco                                                      DONE
90.       FlyTampa Seattle                                                            DONE
91.       FlyTampa Tampa                                                            DONE
92.       FlyTampa Dubai                                                            DONE
93.       FlyTampa Miami                                                            DONE
94.       FlyTampa San Diego                                                      DONE
95.       FlyTampa Boston Logan                                                      DONE
96.       California Coast Scenery “CCCOAST4”                                    DONE
97.       Simflyers Pearson Toronto                                                DONE
98.       Imagine Sim New Orleans                                                DONE
99.       Bridge replacements                                                      DONE
100.       Republic Airport KFRG                                                DONE
100.            Swiss 2004 (nova Gold installed at this time]                        DONE
101.       Weather Scenes                                                      DONE
102.       Thunder Bay Ontario                                                DONE
103.       Ontario Three Airports (1 package)                                    DONE
100.      Etretat                                                            DONE
104.      BaiedeSomme                                                      DONE
105.      Dieppe                                                            DONE
106.      Italy Roads                                                            DONE
107.      Italy Waters                                                            DONE
108.      Italy Landclass                                                      DONE
109.      All versions of Ultimate GA                                          DONE
110.      Teteboro                                                            DONE
111.      Puerto Rico & Virgin Islands roads                                    DONE
112.      St. Thomas Afcad & Landclass                                          DONE
113.      France 38meter Mesh                                                DONE
114.      France VFR Quibeon                                                DONE
115.      France VFR Ouesant                                                DONE
116.      IWI #3 1&2&4 need to be figured out!                              DONE
117.      Puerto Rico All Adons                                                DONE
118.      Grand Case St Maartin TFFG      (inside Antilles Carribe folder)            DONE
119.      St. Martin Boats (inside Antilles Carribe folder)                        DONE
120.      ENVMap (nice reflective texture]                                    DONE
121.      Auckland Scenery Add on                                          
122.      BORA BORA  DONE
123.      French Polynesia Archipelago  DONE
124.      Real New Zealand Tekapo & Wanaka   DONE
125.      5S9 Valley View Oregon  DONE
126.      Dover Airforce Base  DONE
127.      Sitka ,Alaska  DONE
128.      Tongass Fjords  DONE
129.      Dave’s SITKA ADD ON (in the fsaddon tongass folder)  DONE
130.      Tongass Fjords & FS Cargo & Tongass updateV1 DONE
131.      Maine  DONE
132.      4th of July  DONE
133.      Sottish VFR   DONE
134.      Chambery  DONE
135.      Meigs 06  DONE
136.      Scandanavian 2 Airports Aerosoft  DONE
137.      Salzburg RGFlight  DONE
138.      Austrian Airports  DONE
139.      KJFK Addon  DONE
140.      Georender Yosemite  DONE
141.      LaGuardia  DONE
142.      Grove Washington StAte.
143.      TREEGEN DONE
144.      Long Island Airports  DONE
145.      FlightZone Portland  DONE

So, FS9 with a lot of Paywares is better than FSX stock...Incredible. 

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Indeed. Not sure what point you're making there Dave but that's a lot of money by any standards. No wonder you're sticking with FS9. It's none of my business but it strikes me you could have a real PPL by now with what that cost you.

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I'm sorry, but one-third of what you listed there can be corrected with addons. Remember, the list I made consists of features that addons can't do in FS9.

As for the wing flex in POSKY and all other FS9 addons that use it, there is an issue with that. The FS9-based animations for the wing flex behaive in almost the same way as the landing gear. Notice how the wings in FS9 twitch up and down rapidly seconds before takeoff. In FSX, the wing flex doesn't have such an issue due to the inverse kenetics applied to them as opposed to standard animations done for FS9-based aircraft.

PS: You people need to slow down with the posts. I can't catch up.

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I think it's time for another round of injections.

Ok everyone, line up against the wall and roll up your sleeves.

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Agree 100%
And I've seen some... "discussions"  (?) on FS2004.com or avsim.com... and I'm very happy to be here.  

And you an administrator,
Re: There is no denying...daaaaaaaaaaaa

Neither do I 

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Checks?  Checks for the admins....... 

Send the BIG check to............ JBaymore 

crediblessly yours,

.................john

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Actually, in terms of ATC, the voices are smoother than in FS9. Notice how I used the word "smoother" and not "smoothest".

The voices in FS9 sound like HAL from "2001: A Space Odessy" while the voices in FSX sound like the Computer from "Star Trek".

[HAL]

What - are - you - doing - Dave - ?

I - can't - let -  you - do - that - Dave.

Day - See - Day - See - ...

[/HAL]

[quote author=Nexus  link=1161651272/30#36 date=1161723737]Just compare both sims....put it in tower view and let the default 737's do fly by's.
Then come back and tell me which sim sounds most real![/quote]

And how much of that is down to the sim, rather than a quality sound set?

Tell you what, for those of us who don't have FSX, would someone perhaps be able to record a short video clip of just that, in the two sims (with a decent sound set in FS9), to compare the sound? I'd like to hear the difference! :)

Wow a 737 can do a fly by in FSX Wow!! I MUST rush out and buy a copy.
C'mon Fly bys are old hat. FLYII did them before you were out of your nappies. And as for ATC just download editvoicepack. Cheaper than spending money on a new sim just to hear marginally modified voices oh and I almost forgot watching a flyby Woweeeeeeeeee!!!
Vololiberista
PS and the elephants seen from 37,000feet  double Woweeeeeeeeeeee

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I'm sorry I just don't believe you!
I have a good sound card well set up and with quite decent speakers. good enough to listen to good music, films etc., and in FS9 my jet engines and props are realistic.
I say again and again a top notch FS9 is still way ahead of FSX oops i mean FS9.3. All your arguments are totally unconvincing. Get a life and Get yourself a REAL flight and see the difference.  Then maybe you'll understand what REAL pilots like myself get from a sim. REAL pilotswith REAL hours of training. Yes you've told everybody that you think the sun shines out of M(qualcosa)s's nether regions. The reality is that what comes out from there is a different colour and a different consistency. Everything you have quoted are nothing but marginal "improvements" that still do not excel FS9.
If and when Vista comes to Europe, If and when FSX works with DX10 as they "hope" it will then maybe in the graphics we'll see an improvement
Vololiberista

I'm staying well clear of this one..

im taking a VERY slight graphics hit and only to the aircraft itself, i get great performance (maybe even better than FS9), the default aircraft in FSX are very nice this time around so I'm not worried about clogging it all up with add-ons jsut yet (to date i've only downloaded an Easyjet livery for the default 737), and the missions justbring a whole new aspect of FUN to the sim.

if you guys need better performance, buy more RAM, or a better vid card, and so on!

well that's my two cents

FSX sound is better.. The difference in what you hear, relative to your position, is very distinct.. (that would really shine in a fly-by)

As far as sound quality goes .. card and speakers being equal.. it's all about the number and quality of the .wav files.. and the complexity of the sound.cfg.

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Forget that. Vololiberista is just able to say the following things, without bringing any argumentation:
- FSX is FS9.3
- FSX is a downgrade
- FSX is not better than FS9 because the graphics are not good
- FSX has nothing more than FS9 excepted elephants

That's it basically.

If you try to discuss with him by bringing real arguments, he will ignore your answer, or leave the topic and start again in another one. That doesn't really help the discussions, I would say.

Ok, so I totally agree anyone is alowed to voice an opinion, but coming into the FSX forum, in a PRO FSX thread and trying to smash it is not the thing to do.

     Vololiberista, if you dont like FSX, simply stay out of the FSX forum... let us who havent spent $5000 on FS9 enjoy ourselves. I personally feal FSX's sound, flight dynamics, and most textures are 100x better then FS9. Now your argueing FS9 PAYWARE ADD-ONS with FSX DEFAULT not exactly a fair competition.

     In a few months I garuntee FSX will blow FS9 out of its unrealistic water. And yes you needed to buy/download updates to FS9, we will need to do the same with FSX. Yes you need a monster computer to run it on full but only time will fix that. More capeable cards are being developed and soon will be affordable to the general public. Untill then FS9 PAYWARE will be better then FSX DEFAULT.

just my 2 cents...

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Heh.
I am new to this awsome site but I aren't really a newbie at the MSFS.

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I DO!!1
You're right though, but who knows what interesting scenarios modders might come up with?

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I don't get stutters either, but comeon, that's after TONS and TONS of tweaks.

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Hook them upto fsX, then you'll have smooth visibility transitions (when climbing above hase), and better low visibility conditions. The sky blending is better than fs9.

Try putting Peter Wildings textures in fsX, and you'd probably notice the sky looks better than fs9, even with the same textures.
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fsG is great. However, fsX supports 1m mesh, with textures accurate to 7cm.

So yes, the terrain engine is fairly weak in comparisin

If someone takes advantage of those, imagine the results.

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But fs9 multiplayer atleast for me, is jumpy. I play other multiplayer games dosn't matter if the server is located in the USA or UK, it's still smooth, unlike fs9.

fsX has an all new mp experiance where everything is smooth.

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Awsome, which ones are you using? Though fs9 still cannot use advanced reflections using shaders.

The water in fs9 is also severely lacking in reflections.

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fsX trees are more 3d, since they're made using textures facing horisontal and vertical, so forests actaully look thick when flying above them.

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The messed up terrain is only in a few areas. Seattle, and Sydney (Where I usually fly), both look amazing, with no faults. The 1m textures there both rock, it looks like you're flying above a photo.

MY frame rate is awsome, I only mentioned the fps because of whingers who turn on bloom and max 2.0x water and expect it to run on there Geforce 5.

The textures, well, fs9 will never support the 7cm textures. Wait for GE pro for fsX with 7cm textures. Imagine the results!

Also if you somehow put bump mapping in fsX ground textures it will make them appear more 3d. Example:
*Note: Both 3d models are actually completly the same, and the 3d'ness of the surface is created entirely by bump mapping:

Without:

With:

Water, runways, and aircraft all use some kind of bump mapping. fs9 dosn't support it.

Shaders do bump mapping. Shaders do water, shaders can do almost anything without a big frame rate hit.
If you think it's a big fps hit, disable shaders all together then do all the effects by manually, using 3d models.

If you think shaders are a useless feature, you may as well disable all shadows in ALL new games, and not buy DX10 cards.
It may be just graphics, but I love graphics, it builds a more immersive game.

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Sorry, I meant UI. User Interface.


Keep in mind, I am arguing for the fsX engine, and not so much for the actual game.

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Sure, I'll make a video w/ sound.

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I'm sorry, but you're argument is unconvincing. You are only focusing on the graphics.

Look at the missions, space flight, new helo dynamics, thermals, amazing MP experiance and how the game is easier to mod.

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Tell you one of the things that's cheesing me off - it's the sheer unpredictability of FSX.

I installed it originally on my main PC drive (ATA 160GB Samsung) on which I have my '04 and '02 both of which work really well. However, due to 'issues' I decided to put my FSX on a dedicated drive (ATA 120GB Maxtor) with a minimal XP Pro install and physically swap the drives when I wanted to fire up FSX.

It was a good plan because I've achieved much better performance on the dedicated drive even though I've got the same drivers, settings and everything.

But I find that my FR varies each time I run FSX! 'Yesterday' I was pretty happy popping along with my steady 15FPS but 'today' it's as jerky and hesitant as anything, and when I look I see I'm getting fluctuations from say 3 up to my 15 figure.

So I decide to reinstall FSX on my main drive, now I've made my changes to my cfg file and I know what settings to apply.

But what do I find (same drivers etc mind) - when I fire it up I get the wildly flickering screen back, that I had in the demo too, which only stops in windowed mode (but then your AA and graphics definition are shot to pieces).

For goodness sake why? I moved 04 all over the place, from drive to drive on my PC, with never a problem. Why should FSX be so different? Or more realistically, why should FSX be so FLAKEY?

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In the interests of making fair unbiased comments I'm adding this bit. Better to add it rather than delete the posting because it might help someone else.

After typing the above I went back and reinstalled by graphics drivers (nVidia 81.95 - not the latest but I've found them to be the best so far for my card).

Result - the flickering screen disappeared and I now appear to be getting similar performance on my main drive as I was before on the dedicated on.

Can't say more at this stage.

Touché Bindoe!   

I did not think you were troll at all!

Everybody is free to say what they want here. As long as it does not become a personal matter where members are being destructive to one another.

FSX certainly has its good points and bad points.
The flight sim community sits "in-between" all of this and we are left all wondering if this next generation of the Sim will fly...  8)


Dave

No, I wrote the book on old drivers  and I've been telling people for years NOT to go for the latest drivers if they have older cards.

But the point is that even with the same (older) drivers on different drives I was getting different results and re-installing them on the drive with the problems sorted (most of) them out.