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Reply #15 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 7:46am
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RUBBISH!!  Get yourself a decent sound card.
I run FS9 with 7.1 surround Creative Audigy. When I open the throttle of the 4 conway jets on my VC10 I get the same roar and crackle that takes me back to when they were in commercial service.
Reverse thrust has to be heard to be believed!!!
If anyone has heard Concorde take off then they will know what I mean!!!
Vololiberista

Uh. I have a Sound Blaster X-fi Xtreme Music.

My point was fs9 didn't have soround sound, while fsX does.
 
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Reply #16 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 8:22am

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fs9 doesn't support shaders
fs9 dosn't support missions
fs9 has bad camera system (excluding Active Camera)
fs9 has bad studders
fs9 dosn't support bump mapping
fs9 dosn't support shadows from VC.
fs9 has terrible low visibility weather, with high frame hit from clouds. fsX has no hit. (512x512 DXT3 textures on X850)
fs9 dosn't have ships driving around
fs9 has bad sky blending
fs9 has terrible sound
fs9 terrain engine is weak
fs9 UI is bad
fs9 multiplayer is one work, terrible
fs9 now supports DDS
fs9 reflections aren't very good
fs9 dosn't support shared cockpits
fs9 has bad trees

fsX corrects all of them

Eh. Only disadvantages are:
Low frame rate
messed up terrain in some areas
bad terrain textures sometimes


First off I find it funny that so many newbies feel they need to "support" Microsoft's new flight Sim.  It is like they need to be accepted by the company or something. God forbid if they have something negative to say about it. I commend Rollerball for voicing his honest opinion! I also find it funny that somebody can rattle off a dozen or so "things" that the new version has that in reality, most can't even enjoy!!
And the joke here is, My machine seems to be doing very, very well with FSX. I don't have any problems at the moment with it. That would have to do with many things, one having the www.fs-gs.com service on my machine! There are the talked about issues but like I said, I will not really fly it until DX10 & Vista comes out. Then and only then is when I will move over to FSX.

1. I don't need shaders. It may add to the realism and will like it when taking my professional screenshots for the payware companies, but it is not a "selling point"
2.  Missions, who needs missions? Yes they are cool, but if you are creative, invent your own mission. After a while the missions will be just like the old "flight plans".
3. Not too worried about the FS9 camera system as I have had both Active Camera & Walk & Follow installed for years now.
4. I do not ever, ever have one single stutter. My system is locked at 34fps[s, way above the 21 where your eyes will actually notice a stutter. And I repeat, I never have stutters.
5. Bump mapping..... read my answer to #1.
6. Weather? HAHAHAHAHA, my system is running the best real time weather out there! Flight environment coupled with Active sky give me the most realistic, real world weather and clouds around. It is one of the best things about my machine. Incredible clouds, multiple layers, real fog lines, real visibility. I can't say enough about it!
7. Ships driving around Ehhrrrmm, I have had ships driving around my seas for over 4 years. It isn't that difficult to create to download from the web. .
8. Terrain engine too weak! Not for me! Go get yourself a lifetime membership at www.fsgenesis.com and then tell me what you think. My mountains are high, my values are low and my aircraft is right there with them. 38m for USA, Canada & Puerto Rico, 19 for parts of Canada. The terrain is your "base" when building your Sim. It is also one of the most important parts of my Sim.
9. My AI is not bads when I have "Ultimate Traffic" clogging up my skies!!
10. I only do multi-player with close friends!
11. Now supports DDS, OK.
12. Reflections are the best around. Come fly in my world!
13. Shared cockpits, Hey I am the driver so go get your own!
14. Trees? Believe me, my trees are so abundant and real, I needed to get myself a chainsaw and a dozen virtual beavers!

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Eh. Only disadvantages are:
Low frame rate
messed up terrain in some areas
bad terrain textures sometimes

HAHAHAHA! You mean basically the important things when flying? First off, If you have bad frame rates you might as well not even be using it. How real can it be or how do you perfect trying to land with crosswinds when you are about to touch down and your system is stuttering? I just don't get it? You need to have a fluid machine to fly, learn and enjoy the hobby we all like!
Messed up terrain. That will not fly with me!! My terrain NEEDS TOP BE Perfect!! No "double coastlines, offset objects, unrealistic terrain is a big NO!
Bad terrain textures are a thing of the past with Ground Environment Pro and Ultimate Terrain.

Off course you will need to add everything below to achieve what I have just described.


Oh yeah, and it is about $5,000 more than FSX  Tongue


 
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Reply #17 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 8:22am

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1.      Microsoft Flight Simulator  “A Century of Flight” 4 discs                  DONE
2.      FS 9 “Update Patch”.                                                      DONE
3.      FSUIPC Module                                                            DONE
4.      FS9 “No CD Patch”.                                                      DONE
5.      FS Global 2005 78 Meter World Mesh (Updates from Site)                        DONE
     6.      Real Scene USA, Puerto Rico & Hawaii 38meter Mesh                        DONE
     7.      FS Genesis Landclass ALL UPDATES!                                    DONE
     8.      FS Genesis 38m Cordillera Mesh (Update in folder) see the tongass update            DONE
     9.      FS Genesis 38m Yukon Territory Mesh & 2nd Disc                        DONE
   10.  FS Genesis 9.6m Grand Canyon Mesh                                    DONE
   11.  FS Genesis 38m Mexico Mesh                                                DONE
   12.  FS Genesis 9.6m Hawaiian Islands Mesh                                    DONE
   13.  FS Genesis 38m Atlantic Canada Mesh                                    DONE
   14.  FS Genesis 19m Alps Mesh                                                DONE
   14.  FS Genesis 10m Monument Valley                                          DONE
   14.  FS Genesis Worldwide Buffer Mesh Lod4/5/6 ALL Updates                  DONE
   15.  Install Anti Virus Software (Adware, Nod32, CWShredder,Reg Mechanic)                  DONE
   16.  Install O&O Defrag                                                      DONE
   17.  Ultimate Terrain USA                                                      DONE
   18.  Ultimate Terrain Canada Alaska                                          DONE
   19.  Ultimate Terrain Europe                                                DONE
   19.  Install HOTAS Cougar Joystick Software                                    DONE
   20.  Flight Environment                                                      DONE
   21.  Sound Environment                                                      DONE
   22.  Ground Environment (all updates)                                          DONE
   23.  FS Configurator                                                            DONE
24.  Vancouver FSAddon                                                      DONE
25.      Aerosoft Freight Scenery                                                      DONE
26.        Aerosoft Freight Dogs the Scenery      )                                    DONE
27.        Misty Fjords FS Addon (Install Misty Patch)                              DONE
28.        Caribe Mesh (Antilles & 3 other islands)                                    DONE
29.        Ultimate Traffic (All updates & schedules)                                    DONE
30.        New Zealand 20m by Red Baron Ent.                                    DONE
31.        New Zealand TOPO Scenery for 20m                                          DONE
32.        New Zealand Godzone Airport Rotorua                                    DONE
33.        New Zealand Godzone Airport Tauranga                                    DONE
34.        Roads & Rails of new Zealand                                                DONE
35.        Flight Scenery Rhode Island                                                DONE
36.        Rhode Island Patches http://www.flightscenery.com/flightzone01/links.htm                  DONE
37.        FS Addon Orcas Island      (afcad update) (manual install!!)                  DONE
38.       Aerosoft Martha’s Vineyard Scenery (Beech aircraft installs also)            DONE
39.       Active Camera (New and patch}                                          DONE
40.       Vistas Australis & .Net Framework Software                              DONE
41.       Airport Environment V7                                                      DONE
42.       FS Autostart                                                            DONE
43.       Radio Tower Lighting                                                      DONE
44.       Snow Ice Runways                                                            DONE
45.       Touchdown Effect                                                            DONE
46.       France VFR Flight Riviera [Base pack)                                    DONE
47.       France VFR Flight Riviera  [autogen pack]
48.       Salt Lake City FSAddon (texture patch)                                    DONE
49.       Newark Imaginesim (Afcad package)      (not good)                              DONE
50.       Aircraft Sound Enhancements                                                DONE
51.       Nav light package      [must do!!]                                                DONE
52.       Airport Lighting V2 BEST! [there are 3 others but all halo.bmp}                        DONE
53.       Aerosoft Cape Canaveral                                                      DONE
54.       Aerosoft France 1                                                            DONE      
55.       Aerosoft France 2                                                            DONE
56.       Aerosoft Germany 1                                                      DONE
57.       Aerosoft Germany 2                                                      DONE
58.       Aerosoft Germany 3                                                      DONE
59.       Aerosoft Germany 4                                                      DONE
60.       Aerosoft VFR Berlin                                                      DONE
61.       Aerosoft Mega Frankfurt Airport                                          DONE
62.       Aerosoft Life in Elba (fly the lakes)                                          DONE
63.       Aerosoft Manhattan                                                      DONE
64.       Aerosoft Islands of Malta                                                      DONE
65.       France VFR La Reunion                                                      DONE
66.       Fly the Lakes “Cloud9”                                                      DONE
67.       Bremmerton                                                                  DONE
68.       S10 Chelan Muni      (patch?)                                                DONE
69.       All Coastal Ship Enhancements                                          DONE
70.       Gerish Greys Trees V3                                                      DONE
71.       Vancouver Airport                                                            DONE
72.       Lago - Georender            Emma Field                                          DONE
73.       Lago - Georender 1      Ranger Creek-Flying Ranch                        DONE
74.       Lago - Georender 2      Bryce Canyon                                    DONE
75.       Lago – Georender 3      Diamond Point                                    DONE
76.       Lago - Georender 4      Darrington Muni                                    DONE
77.       Lago – Georender 5      Forks                                                DONE
78.       Lago – Georender 6      Strom Sky Harbor                                    DONE
79.       Lago – Georender            Harvey Monroe                                    DONE
80.       Lago – Georender            Wenache Skykomish                              DONE
81.       Lago – Georender            Honolulu                                          DONE
82.       France VFR Corsica                                                      DONE
83.       Wonderful Rio                                                            DONE
84.       Mt Rainer Scenery                                                            DONE
85.       Aerosoft VLNK                                                            DONE
86.       Flight Zone LFRD                                                            DONE
87.       France VFR Mayotte Island                                                DONE
88.       FlyTampa Midway                                                            DONE
89.       FlyTampa San Francisco                                                      DONE
90.       FlyTampa Seattle                                                            DONE
91.       FlyTampa Tampa                                                            DONE
92.       FlyTampa Dubai                                                            DONE
93.       FlyTampa Miami                                                            DONE
94.       FlyTampa San Diego                                                      DONE
95.       FlyTampa Boston Logan                                                      DONE
96.       California Coast Scenery “CCCOAST4”                                    DONE
97.       Simflyers Pearson Toronto                                                DONE
98.       Imagine Sim New Orleans                                                DONE
99.       Bridge replacements                                                      DONE
100.       Republic Airport KFRG                                                DONE
100.            Swiss 2004 (nova Gold installed at this time]                        DONE
101.       Weather Scenes                                                      DONE
102.       Thunder Bay Ontario                                                DONE
103.       Ontario Three Airports (1 package)                                    DONE
100.      Etretat                                                            DONE
104.      BaiedeSomme                                                      DONE
105.      Dieppe                                                            DONE
106.      Italy Roads                                                            DONE
107.      Italy Waters                                                            DONE
108.      Italy Landclass                                                      DONE
109.      All versions of Ultimate GA                                          DONE
110.      Teteboro                                                            DONE
111.      Puerto Rico & Virgin Islands roads                                    DONE
112.      St. Thomas Afcad & Landclass                                          DONE
113.      France 38meter Mesh                                                DONE
114.      France VFR Quibeon                                                DONE
115.      France VFR Ouesant                                                DONE
116.      IWI #3 1&2&4 need to be figured out!                              DONE
117.      Puerto Rico All Adons                                                DONE
118.      Grand Case St Maartin TFFG      (inside Antilles Carribe folder)            DONE
119.      St. Martin Boats (inside Antilles Carribe folder)                        DONE
120.      ENVMap (nice reflective texture]                                    DONE
121.      Auckland Scenery Add on                                          
122.      BORA BORA  DONE
123.      French Polynesia Archipelago  DONE
124.      Real New Zealand Tekapo & Wanaka   DONE
125.      5S9 Valley View Oregon  DONE
126.      Dover Airforce Base  DONE
127.      Sitka ,Alaska  DONE
128.      Tongass Fjords  DONE
129.      Dave’s SITKA ADD ON (in the fsaddon tongass folder)  DONE
130.      Tongass Fjords & FS Cargo & Tongass updateV1 DONE
131.      Maine  DONE
132.      4th of July  DONE
133.      Sottish VFR   DONE
134.      Chambery  DONE
135.      Meigs 06  DONE
136.      Scandanavian 2 Airports Aerosoft  DONE
137.      Salzburg RGFlight  DONE
138.      Austrian Airports  DONE
139.      KJFK Addon  DONE
140.      Georender Yosemite  DONE
141.      LaGuardia  DONE
142.      Grove Washington StAte.
143.      TREEGEN DONE
144.      Long Island Airports  DONE
145.      FlightZone Portland  DONE
 
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Reply #18 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 9:05am

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you don't get to use the sim much then!!!  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Reply #19 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 11:38am

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So, FS9 with a lot of Paywares is better than FSX stock...Incredible.  Tongue
 
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Reply #20 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 11:49am

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This happens everytime a new FS comes out. When FS2k2 first came out and I got the Ti4600 card everyone was amazed by the quality you could get. I'm still using the same rig with FS9 and I've stopped posting screenshots 'cos mine are so pants compared with what everyone else is doing.
When I get my new rig next year I'm sure everyone will briefly be amazed out how good my screenies are and within 6 months everyone will be posting shots far better than mine....
This pattern of history repeating itself sometimes makes me dizzy! The software is nearly always ahead of the hardware. Just relax, enjoy your flying and have another beer Wink
 
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Reply #21 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 11:52am

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Off course you will need to add everything below to achieve what I have just described.


Oh yeah, and it is about $5,000 more than FSX  Tongue

Indeed. Shocked Not sure what point you're making there Dave but that's a lot of money by any standards. No wonder you're sticking with FS9. It's none of my business but it strikes me you could have a real PPL by now with what that cost you.

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First off I find it funny that so many newbies feel they need to "support" Microsoft's new flight Sim.  It is like they need to be accepted by the company or something. God forbid if they have something negative to say about it. I commend Rollerball for voicing his honest opinion! I also find it funny that somebody can rattle off a dozen or so "things" that the new version has that in reality, most can't even enjoy!!
 
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Reply #22 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 12:08pm

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Indeed.  Not sure what point you're making there Dave but that's a lot of money by any standards. No wonder you're sticking with FS9. It's none of my business but it strikes me you could have a real PPL by now with what that cost you.


LOL Doug, I know  Grin


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PS. I agreed with you up to this point. Quote:First off I find it funny that so many newbies feel they need to "support" Microsoft's new flight Sim.  It is like they need to be accepted by the company or something. God forbid if they have something negative to say about it. I commend Rollerball for voicing his honest opinion! I also find it funny that somebody can rattle off a dozen or so "things" that the new version has that in reality, most can't even enjoy!!

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Reply #23 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 12:34pm

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fs9 dosn't support shaders
fs9 dosn't support missions
fs9 has bad camera system (excluding Active Camera)
fs9 has bad studders
fs9 dosn't support bump mapping
fs9 dosn't support shadows from VC.
fs9 has terrible low visability weather, with high frame hit from clouds. fsX has no hit. (512x512 DXT3 textures on X850)
fs9 dosn't have ships driving around
fs9 has bad sky blending
fs9 has terrible sound
fs9 terrain engine is weak
fs9 UI is bad
fs9 multiplayer is one work, terrible
fs9 now supports DDS
fs9 reflections aren't very good
fs9 dosn't support shared cockpits
fs9 has bad trees

fsX corrects all of them

Eh. Only disadvantages are:
Low frame rate
messed up terrain in some areas
bad terrain textures sometimes

The wings don't bounce correctly and the wing flex animations aren't smooth. (Not saying bad things about POSKY, only the fs9 engine).


I'm sorry, but one-third of what you listed there can be corrected with addons. Remember, the list I made consists of features that addons can't do in FS9.

As for the wing flex in POSKY and all other FS9 addons that use it, there is an issue with that. The FS9-based animations for the wing flex behaive in almost the same way as the landing gear. Notice how the wings in FS9 twitch up and down rapidly seconds before takeoff. In FSX, the wing flex doesn't have such an issue due to the inverse kenetics applied to them as opposed to standard animations done for FS9-based aircraft.

PS: You people need to slow down with the posts. I can't catch up. Grin
 
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Reply #24 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 12:44pm

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PS: You people need to slow down with the posts. I can't catch up. Grin


That's the new FSX-style Natural Selection, you know.
First, FSX kills your PC, and then FSX forums kill you ! Grin Grin
 
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Reply #25 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 12:48pm

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That's the new FSX-style Natural Selection, you know.
First, FSX kills your PC, and then FSX forums kill you ! Grin Grin


I think it's time for another round of injections.

Ok everyone, line up against the wall and roll up your sleeves. Grin
 
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Reply #26 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 1:03pm
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I think that with all the arguments and counter-arguments , agreements and disagreements these topics have been the most memorable that I can recall in the whole of my time here at SimV. Bearing in mind the language and cultural differences that exist and the potential there is for anger and misunderstandings between members, this is the forum at its best.

Long may it be so.

I don't know whether the level and quality of discussion is happening elsewhere - but I doubt it.

Now, where were we...... Wink
 
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I think that with all the arguments and counter-arguments , agreements and disagreements these topics have been the most memorable that I can recall in the whole of my time here at SimV. Bearing in mind the language and cultural differences that exist and the potential there is for anger and misunderstandings between members, this is the forum at its best.

Long may it be so.

I don't know whether the level and quality of discussion is happening elsewhere - but I doubt it.

Now, where were we...... Wink


Agree 100%
And I've seen some... "discussions"  (?) on FS2004.com or avsim.com... and I'm very happy to be here.  Grin
 
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Reply #28 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 2:40pm

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If you dont like it dont buy it. if you like it buy it if you hate microsoft why are you here. and if you like microsoft get a girlfriend Roll Eyes

and the point of this topic was to say nice things cant we respect the request  Angry

i like the backwords compatability and the shiny new aircraft Smiley even if they are to complicated for my computer Cry
 
big or small i like them all ...? that dosent sound right&&slew mode dose not count as flying&&737-700aholic
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Reply #29 - Oct 24th, 2006 at 3:11pm

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