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DX10 cards+physics cards= great fsx performance? (Read 1344 times)
Sep 21st, 2006 at 6:54pm

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I dont know anyone who has the Ageia Physixs card and was trying to find reviews on them, so far no luck. Does anyone know if having one will make fsx run smoother (yes, horrible question cos its not even out)? but if anyone has seen improvement with current games with this card, let me know.
 

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Reply #1 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 7:00pm

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Not by a whole lot, so far, from what I have seen, the Ageia just takes [alot] of the strain off of your processor...

...and there really isn't too much physics involved with FS, it's all "Weeee....it goes forward"
 

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Reply #2 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 7:07pm

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haha. that is true. its a shame that there isnt much physics involved. 
If the ageia card takes off a lot of there strain off the processor, what is the use of dual-core processors? i mean FSX will be able to use them much better than FS9 but would it be worth it?
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 9:57pm
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Software need to be programmed to take advantage of the physics card. I think the only game that supports it is Ghost Recon.
 
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Reply #4 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 10:56pm

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Software need to be programmed to take advantage of the physics card. I think the only game that supports it is Ghost Recon.


The "only" game? Are you saying that there's only one game in the entire gaming market that supports Physix cards? I doubt that. Shocked
 
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Reply #5 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 11:01pm

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I remember I'd read a test about it awhile ago saying that it wasn't worth buying one, at least for the moment.
 

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Reply #6 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 11:09pm

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The "only" game? Are you saying that there's only one game in the entire gaming market that supports Physix cards? I doubt that. Shocked


Well, there may be some other games currently in developpment that would support those cards, but I highly doubt it.

The fact is that when you develop a game, the physic engine is really a big part of it. If you choose to use those cards, then that means that you won't implement a physic engine and rely on those cards, but what if a player doesn't have this kind of card ? Is there some equivalent to the DirectX software graphic mode ? Then how poor would be the performance in that case ?

I think that most of the developpers prefer to keep full control on their physic engine, the way it is implemented, the way it interact with the rest of the program, the way it works. I am pretty pessimistic on this PhysX stuff to be honnest.
 
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Reply #7 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 11:31pm

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I am pretty pessimistic on this PhysX stuff to be honnest.


If I recall, people were also pessimistic 20 years ago about how advanced our computers would become. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #8 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 12:51am

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There are more games.

www.ageia.com ; is the home site.

The PhysX card is designed to do processing for not-so important things which people would like to look real, e.g. flying debris, fires, water, particles in general.

The website (above) is the home site, and has flash demos, and a list of games which use the card.
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 1:48am

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If I recall, people were also pessimistic 20 years ago about how advanced our computers would become. Roll Eyes

It'll surely be very popular in 5-6 years but I think it needs time to develop.
 

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Reply #10 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 4:14am
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Physics cards only work in some games NOT fsX. Also you get great performance on current DX9 cards Wink
 
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Reply #11 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 4:26am

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so limited game titles that support ageia. Isnt it just like how DX10 will be at first?
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 5:45am

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I think we should all wait at least 12 months before spending pots of money on expensive cards with "untested"  graphics. In that I mean we will have "Vista" and then DX10 (nobody knows exactly how DX10 will work - only what is planned and hoped for!"

We should wait for 2nd generation video cards and motherboardsand m(qualcosa)s having amended a few of the thousands of bugs "Vista" is bound to be shipped with (Remember that XP was sold with 33,000 known bugs- for  non of which were we  offered a discount !!!)
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Reply #13 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 11:12am

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I think we should all wait at least 12 months before spending pots of money on expensive cards with "untested"  graphics. In that I mean we will have "Vista" and then DX10 (nobody knows exactly how DX10 will work - only what is planned and hoped for!"

We should wait for 2nd generation video cards and motherboardsand m(qualcosa)s having amended a few of the thousands of bugs "Vista" is bound to be shipped with (Remember that XP was sold with 33,000 known bugs- for  non of which were we  offered a discount !!!)
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Reply #14 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 11:38am

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If you hate Windows so much, why not switch over to the Mac?


I was kinda' wondering that myself.  Or to Linux on the PC platform.  Why contribute money to someone you apparently hate so much?

Not to mention........ maybe change to X Plane too?

I don't undetrstand  ???

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Reply #15 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 12:25pm

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This question was asked nearly six months ago (elsewhere) and was replied to by Mike Gilbert (tdragger) in one of his blog entries.

The short story is that they (ACES) looked at the hardware, evaluated what it might offer FS, and decided that at the present time it would be of little or no value whatsoever, and would require a lot of extra code just to obtain that tiny bit of gain.

Just for the above reasons it would make no sense to invest time and effort.  Never mind the miniscule number of people who would actually have the card to begin with!  Roll Eyes
 

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Reply #16 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 2:45pm

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This question was asked nearly six months ago (elsewhere) and was replied to by Mike Gilbert (tdragger) in one of his blog entries.

The short story is that they (ACES) looked at the hardware, evaluated what it might offer FS, and decided that at the present time it would be of little or no value whatsoever, and would require a lot of extra code just to obtain that tiny bit of gain.

Just for the above reasons it would make no sense to invest time and effort.  Never mind the miniscule number of people who would actually have the card to begin with!  Roll Eyes


In a nutshell, the market for PhysX cards isn't big enough for sims like FSX to fully exploit.
 
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Reply #17 - Sep 22nd, 2006 at 9:41pm
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Mac is for noobs.

You want to be elitist? Use Linux.
 
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Reply #18 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 12:30am

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There was some talk earlier about Physixs being more integrated into the new high end graphics cards next year.

Whether it will be better than a standalone card remains to be seen.
 

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Reply #19 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 12:51am

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Lets see some solid proof.  Oh, and its PhysX, not Physixs...
 

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Reply #20 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 1:59am
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Lets see some solid proof.  Oh, and its PhysX, not Physixs...

Ummm actually according to what I've heard R600/ G80 all have Physics processors built into them.

btw theres no such thing as dual core Pentium 4, you have hyper threading which makes applications think it's dual core.
 
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Reply #21 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 4:44am

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Reply #22 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 6:46am
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its true. ghost recon advance warfighter (GRAW) is the only game that is progammed to use one. however altho it imporves performance flying shrapnel and things still wnt hurt you. its just all for show.

so in short the Ageia Physics card is bloomin useless. the only game that mite take advantage of it apart from GRAW is crysis but tats DX10/DX9 and with DX10 it runs smoothly but u wud orobs need one if u were useing a DX9 card.

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Reply #23 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 7:06am
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Actually all the pictures of Crysis are in SLI 7900GTX's. Current hardware will run it just fine.
 
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Reply #24 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 12:33pm

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It will depend how scripted FSX is as to how useful the physics card will be.

Fully destroyable sceneries etc would benefit a lot from physics cards.  Wait a while until those games come out then get a physics card.  They will be cheaper and better.
 

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Reply #25 - Sep 23rd, 2006 at 11:42pm

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Fully destroyable sceneries...  Hmmm...  WORMS 3D!

Its already done, though if u mean destroyable sceneries as in sand/dirt flying everywhere, getting into player's eyes, and bits pilling up and any unsuspended land pieces falling into place, then that would be a great use for it...
 

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