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Aug 11th, 2006 at 7:42am

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Has anyone even bothered to read the "README" file??

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Reply #1 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 7:49am

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I never do that, unless I encounter any problems. Grin Wink Then again, I don't recall myself complaining [too much] about the FSX demo.
 

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Reply #2 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 9:10am

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You be surprised to see that there are people on other forums [not just in the V] who complain so much about the demo that they accused Microsoft of not being open to the demands of the users. Roll Eyes

PS: Some of the complaints came from the X-Plane forums. Go figure. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #3 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 10:06am
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So forum members aren't now allowed to make objective comments about something without being denigrated, is that it?

Ex-pat, I do rather take exception to your comments as they were initially directed at me in my thread. I personally DO NOT care about the Read-Me as I do not believe that Microsoft would release a 'Demo' that was so crippled, featureless and different from the ultimate offering that running it would not give an indication of how the final offering would perform. They wouldn't call it a 'demo' then would they.

So whether you like them or not, I still think the comments made by anyone after using this software are totally valid and I for one will encourage everyone to tell us about their findings, both good and bad. After all, a 'demo' is designed to encourage feed-back as much as anything else so don't anyone be shouted down by anyone else if you want to share your opinions and experiences.

Good day all... Wink
 
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Reply #4 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 10:47am

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"objective comments"
That's the plot. Not so much ojective critics that far.

"Huuu FSX sucks, I cannot see anything out of the VC windows"
"FSX sucks, I cqn't get more than 5 FPS on my GeForece2 MX"
"FSX sucks, the default terrain is so blurry on my (10 years-old) video card, MS has lied to us with their screenshots"

That 99% of the critics we had until now, all about the beta of a game that won't hit the stores before at least two months. You call that objective comments ?

PS: Ok, the last comment was a bit exagerated for the simV forum, but I saw such comments on another forum Wink
 
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Reply #5 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 10:48am
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Even if you read the readme, it still doesnt help some of the issues.  Yes its not complete, but thats not what many people complaints are.  Most people are complaining that the sim is just too resource intense and we can't run it.  That is not mentioned in the readme
 
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Reply #6 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 10:48am

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They wouldn't call it a 'demo' then would they.

They should have called it 'limited Beta', that's right. This is not a demo.
 
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Reply #7 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 11:28am

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I think it all comes down to this:


The people who enjoy the demo, are the people with good computers that give them a good experience of FSX.

The people who don't enjoy the demo, are the people with computers not capable of handling FSX properly, and therefore they don't get to experience FSX properly. So instead of blaming their PC, they blame Microsoft.
 

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Reply #8 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 11:52am

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Rollerball, of course forum members can make objective comments, but "highlighting" problems, with remarks such as yours about the AA, when it states in the readme file that at this time it does not work, well that’s just being negative for the sake of it. Others complaining that their machines cannot run FSX and that MS have lied to us, what sort of problems and objective comments did the same people make when they jumped from FS98 to a Century of Flight? There comes a point when you machine, like it or not becomes a door stop.



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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 12:17pm

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I haven't even got it downloaded yet (i'm at 20%) and i'm already complaining about my comp's hardware... Grin

Just goes to show how i hate how things get better with each month or so (even 2). Angry

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Reply #10 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 12:37pm
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Geforce 4 MX cards were never the best. They were meant to be mid to low range cards. I am running one right now. Before that I had a Geforce 4 Ti and that was much better than the MX.
 
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Reply #11 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 12:42pm

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Hey, my computer is not that great [it's pathetic in fact] and I'm not complaining about Microsoft. Instead, I simply say "oh well, time to get a new rig" because I know all too well that every computer will suffer their fate [we call it the trash can]. Grin
 
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Reply #12 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 1:01pm

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I think it all comes down to this:


The people who enjoy the demo, are the people with good computers that give them a good experience of FSX.

The people who don't enjoy the demo, are the people with computers not capable of handling FSX properly, and therefore they don't get to experience FSX properly. So instead of blaming their PC, they blame Microsoft.


Well said Ecko!
 

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Reply #13 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 1:09pm
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I haven't seen anybody blame Microsoft on this forum.

What did you expect? This is just like any other release of FS, it pushes hardware to the limit. Except FS2002, that was pretty frame rate friendly. Cheesy
 
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Reply #14 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 1:30pm
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ex-pat, once again as you do from time to time, you're talking cobblers. There is nothing in my original thread that is 'being negative for the sake of it'. It's just a simple statement of my ACTUAL EXPERIENCES of running this piece of software and my conclusions at the end of it. That is what the demo is for.

Sorry if my experiences don't concur with yours but that's life. And I'll say what I want no matter what self-apponted censors like yourself would like me to. Sorry mate - I'm too old to change now.  Wink
 
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Reply #15 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 2:12pm

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The people who enjoy the demo, are the people with good computers that give them a good experience of FSX.

I have a good computer and it ran FSX quite well but overall I was not that impressed with FSX. The only thing I was impressed with was the water and moving cars and boats.
 

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Reply #16 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 3:11pm
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It's because people have expected too much from the demo. A demo is a taster, not a reflection of how the finished game shall be. It's impossible for it to be perfect, as the game is still a work in progress. Simple.
 
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Reply #17 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 4:02pm
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What we really need is someone with a top range dual core CPU, loadsa fast RAM and a really top end SLI graphics set up to tell us how they found it. My guess is they'd say it's great.

Reason - when FS2004 came out it pushed the hardware technology envelope amd we all moaned about how it wouldn't run on the PCs we had. Gradually over the last 3 years most of us have managed to improve our specs until even if we're not at the cutting edge, we're mostly happy with the graphics and FR we have.

Only right that when the new version of FS comes out it too should push the current envelope. Something wrong if it didn't. So it's hardly surprising if the majority of us are having problems with our current rigs - but just as before we'll beg, borrow (and steal some of us  Wink too I'll bet - no names....) to improve our hardware.

In a few weeks, just like FS2004, a large chunk of the SimV membership will be hurling their bump mipped aircraft around the FSX skies without so much as a second thought while the rest of us will be scraping up the dough to get a suitable system together so we can enjoy it as well a few months later. That's PC technology for ya - but I'll bet 99% of us will be there in the end ........ and in a year or so talking about the joys the next version might bring us. Just wait and see.
 
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Reply #18 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 4:09pm

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In other words...be patient! Grin
 

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Reply #19 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 4:51pm

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What it really comes down to is that FSX is just an improvement of FS9.  The water looks great, there are new features, some good, some bad, and not much more.  Am I disappointed, yes, but not because its not the perfect game.  I am disappointed because the elements that I consider important to flying havent changed that much.  ATC is still the same (except for  missions), and needs  a major upgrade, the flight dynamics arent improved, and there is no FMC or weather radar.  I think these are core elements of the sim that should be rock solid before adding many new features.  So, what do I like?  Scenery looks good, traffic on approach will be nice, and ground vehicles at airports will be great.  Its amazing how strong peoples emotions are with this sim, I guess thats why there is so much loyalty, some stuff you  love and some you hate.  I think in the end we should all just enjoy it, lets hope it doesnt end.  In two years, the add-ons for this sim will be vast in number and amazing.  Todd
 
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Reply #20 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 5:12pm

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What we really need is someone with a top range dual core CPU, loadsa fast RAM and a really top end SLI graphics set up to tell us how they found it. My guess is they'd say it's great.

That sounds like my rig Grin. The FSX demo ran very well, no stutters, nothing. I can post some shots in the freeware board if people want...
 

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Reply #21 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 6:35pm
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Ahhh yes - yo de man alright. Let's see some pics down in screenies - but with a rig like that they'd better be good Jon, or Clipper will be after your backside from the Workshop  Grin
 
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Reply #22 - Aug 11th, 2006 at 10:48pm

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What we really need is someone with a top range dual core CPU, loadsa fast RAM and a really top end SLI graphics set up to tell us how they found it. My guess is they'd say it's great.


yeah its great!  runs pretty well on my machine.  i say "pretty well" b/c, like so many of us have pointed out...it is a beta and demo... Microsoft is still working on the product.  I am sure when it is released...most if not all of the problems you are facing now will be resolved.
 

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Reply #23 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 12:16am

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...most if not all of the problems you are facing now will be resolved.


Otherwise, it would be a dumbest economic move by one of the biggest software giants in history. Grin
 
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Reply #24 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 2:06am

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Sorry if my experiences don't concur with yours but that's life. And I'll say what I want no matter what self-apponted censors like yourself would like me to. Sorry mate - I'm too old to change now.  Wink


Only sounds like censorship of lively debate to me. Seems that someone was a bit miffed at being disagreed with.
 

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