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Jul 24th, 2006 at 4:07pm

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A newbie designeran aprentis  a padawan,In My Case,..Yes this is something I wanna to express ,I wonder if you all the designers Locke,Milton,Katahu among many others,I don't feel the FS like I used to do before?I wonder if you have experiment the decease of the FANTASY you lost when you discover how everything works Remember 6 month ago I just had a very far Idea how to make the planes,But I used to spend hour and hours enjoyning Flying in the Lear45 Like if where true,I used to love flying in the night by VOR and make my entire mission ,flight plan request ATC all the correct procedures sometimes Maiquetia to Miami 4 hours,Now when I see the opening FS9 there's no magic there are not plane they are model in a game
What did happend ?It Just me?,I saw beyond and inside of the planes for example I use to love the default b777
Now when I see it ,too quare no details in the landing gears ,No fantasy with all the planes.
You wont believe  me,I never make a serious flight In any of the planes Ive done,neither in the beautifuls as Milton's Model or anyother
I would like to hear opinions of the designers if that thing happends to you thought

PS I have tryied many time I get bore imediatly,never happend this since I discover Microsoft flight Simulator 98
 

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Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 6:43pm

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Yah , sounds very simular to the way I look at flightsim also now. Bascially to learn how the design, impacts knowledge and became just more interessing. In other words I lost intrest and became distracted. Although it's very important to me as I want to become a  aeronautical egineer, it does take time away from just playing and doing flights on the sim.  As I'm stilll working on many project's with very few time doesn't help much. But yah welcome to the unqiue designers "group".. lol Grin
 

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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 7:01pm

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I have that feeling too. One moment you are enjoying the sim, the next moment you become a modeler, and moment after that you start losing interest in some of the aspects of the sim. I guess it's something that every developer undergoes.

But the flip side of the coin you begin to enjoy other aspects of the sim that you never thought about. For example, how often did you think about the sim's flexibility before going into addon development? Not much, right? Once you get into this aspect one should at least wonder how far the FS series can go with addons.
 
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Reply #3 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 7:28pm

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I can't speak as a modeller, since I've never modelled for FS, but as a repainter, I feel it's affected the way I look at FS as well. For example, I've become more "anal-retentive" when I fly. Basically, rather than enjoy the flight, I'll be spending my time scrutinising a paint job, and wondering how/if I can improve/change it, or what I can repaint that particular plane into.
 

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Reply #4 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 7:39pm
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I can't speak as a designer nor as a repainter but..

I suppose when you start designing stuff you DO look at the sim with different eyes... you start to see other peoples mistakes in their creation for instance and that might bug you but maybe you can point it out to the designer and help them where you can. I used bot Al's and Kat's creations in some of my screenshot series and I've enjoyed getting the responses that people really liked them. That is what |I like to do! Show the fs world the beauty of the designs other people make.. I like doing that! From that point on I've lost some interest on certain points along the way only to sit back and get some new inspiration again.. While this stuf may not apply to you in any way I'd like to say that now you've become a designer.. challenge yourself and improve your skill but always keep it fun! Maybe Alrot can go an entirely different way and try designing a prop or an eggbeater and maybe kat can do a plane.. Maybe create something from your own imagination...

I don't know

but have fun doing it!
 
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Reply #5 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 8:02pm

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I know exactly what you mean.  But for me, I've begun to start spending more time actually in the sim.  I get a little done with one of MY aircraft, and then load up a random aircraft and start a flight from scratch, just cruising around and taking a quick look at things.  Sometimes, I get so wrapped up in a flight that I'll look over and discover I've spent three hours just zooming around, and it already time to get to bed!

Just give it a few weeks of intense creation, and the magic starts to return.  If only for the sake of some rest between the aggravation that is aircraft creation!

Keep at it!
 

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Reply #6 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 9:34pm

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It's kinda the opposite for me. I won't call myself a designer..compared to some of these artists, but making that 210 had a purpose to it. I flew one for real and became obsessed with making a realistic (flight dynamic-wise) one for the sim. I've always tied simming back to real flying, so it's a never-ending adventure. Like tonight.. I'll be flying the FISKE arrival into Oshkosh, over and over so it'll be second nature when I do it for real, this Friday..
 
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Reply #7 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 11:14pm

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An interesting and correct observation Alrot.  I have experienced this and it is as everyone says here.

When the Dash 7 is released, I will retire from design work and hopefully go back to flying multiplayer (MP) with the alpha team.  I miss flying with the guys every night. Smiley  These are leisurely flights always navigating the world's most beautiful places.

The hi-energy project work makes "just flying" seem boring and a waste of time.  You feel like you need to be on 16X so you can get done and get back to project work.  That is work-a-holic tendency, or obsessive-compulsive behavior, almost a requirement for me to do a project of 2000 hours. lol

I think you need a break from the project work.  Try something different like Classic Airliners or AI involvement.  The problem is that artists must be creative to be happy, and sharing your work is part of the fun.  Wink

You have many interests that have probably been gathering dust since you started modeling.  Go back and revisit some of that.  Rejuvenate yourself.  Take a month or three off.

Good luck, have fun.



 

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Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2006 at 11:40pm

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Those are some wise words, Milton. I guess I should take a break as well before starting my next project. Half a year of project development can really be exhausting even though I have only devoted merely an hour per day. Grin
 
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Reply #9 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 12:02am

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Grin I'm not the only one Grin Grin

When i was child i used to fly for hours, i still remember the flies since Bogotá to Santa Marta, or Bogotá Miami  Roll Eyes

When i started to design i thought that i'll be the happiest boy (i was just 16 years old) in the world, and that was true with my first all made plane, a byplane, she is really ugly and the size is not right but i was really happy flying that bird, and then i started the MiG-29, ONE YEAR doing that plane, every day i generated the mdl and see the plane since every angle as possible, when the model was done i knew a lot of FS, how to make the aircraft, textures, panel, xml's gauges, scenery, effects, etc, etc, etc.

And since the mig-29 was released i dont have make a normal flight, i'm in fsds all the day I only go to the fs to check what i'm doing in the fsds, i see the plane, take some pics and come back to work.

And as many people had said, in the middle of the night i wake up with the answer to some design problem, and the next day come back to work

I used to enjoy almost all the planes, i remember a FS98's F-18 i really loved that plane, but now when i see a plane i check it from every angle (again) and i start to think what i could do for her if i could modify that plane.

I think that this is like a relationship, at the begining you're lost in love, however when you know everything about her you're tired of her because she cant surprise you

I have a question for all the designers, do you remember and still fly your first plane, the truly one own, the 100% made by yourself?? i'm loking for my fledling when i'll find her i'll show you some pics of that ugly bird

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Reply #10 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 12:47am

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I think that this is like a relationship, at the begining you're lost in love, however when you know everything about her you're tired of her because she cant surprise you


LOL Grin
 
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 10:54am

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I miss that fantasy

,Milton Is a wisdon man proud to learn everything I know from his teaching
But I hope,that Fantasy come back again,see the problem at the begining was all the planes I used to download didn't have VC or where very heavy to my pc ,I got fustrate it when I began I said ,Ill make them capable to run In not too powerful pc as mine with a great VC ,perhaps that's the reason why the planes ive done are better in vc that the exterior
But Make planes Is not an easy cake there's amillons things you have to know as my last(I hope trouble) with DTXBmp and MIP saving,all the models before the727 if you whach them  far theyll ge blurry,thats why I ignore to take out the option "saving Mip Maps "in DTXBmp theres a thousands thing like light in the oposite Sun side, the mirrow tool wich is unuseful,among thousands of many things,Is a pleasure to see them finish and share with all the people and see their joy ,I use to be a part of those people,now Im not or I can't,to be honest,is not that Im Playing as if i am the cleaver guy who won't fall in a game of simulation,Im over that,..WELL NOT is not ,hell not!!

I wish to go Back in time and someone else NOT ME! makes the same planes I did ,as the citation of a boeing with the vc that runs in my machine and began to fly in this works made by a stranger I would be now flying hour in those planes,and avobe all Ignoring all about *.mdl maping animation ,and be  like I use to be before,Does any boddy remember when I claim that FS9 was a simulator and not a game? all that discuss?;was because I use to Ignore FS9 functions,

I even get to Hate Nexus In the past (Today I consider him one of my best friend and a very smart ,someone call him a walking enciclopedia Im agree, and he had help me in my design) why I hate him? because he told me that FS9 wasn't  realistic in flight Dinamic ,and for me was insulting.. Roll EyesI was so stupid ,oh man he was totaly right,so I see as sort of magic,when I read the Gauge VIB I swear guy I realy though or imaginate that the engines vibrate as if where Real

Perhaps this all Im saying here will sound a crazy could be because I can't express what I want due my english limitations, or even because we all have a child,and I was playing like a child when I sat in my chair just to flight in FS9,Ill put what you had Said Milton,Ill leave this for a while and wait to see If I dear to flight again and feel in at least my Old Def. Lear45 and dream again & playing as a child

I'M A virtual Pilot Proudly!!!
 

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Reply #12 - Jul 25th, 2006 at 12:06pm

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The aspects of FS9 that  ARE  realistic far overshadow what is not "exactly" true to life. All the important realtionships are there and are VERY realistic: Pitch, power, attitude, AoA, airspeed, altitude..  They all do pretty much what they're supposed to.. Learning to execute constant-airspeed, climbing/descending turns,in zero visibility while trying to intercept a an ILS can be done in the sim.. and in some ways is even better that doing it in a real plane. You don't get ANY sensation in the sim and you HAVE to fly by instruments alone...

It definately helped me master timed and compass turns, and is an excellent training tool for situation awareness.. like assessing your situation and setting up a dramatic, circle-to-land with a good, strong wind to contend with...in 1/4 mile visibility and only an NDB for reference.

Keep that fantasy alive, Alrot.. I do.. and I fly for real, several times per week..
 
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Reply #13 - Jul 28th, 2006 at 7:45pm

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Hmm, i have found that my interest in both modelling and actually flying the sim seems to have it's ups and downs over the course of time.

Then i find myself not looking at Fs for a few weeks because i'm doing a home-movie with pinnacle studio 10 (which is nearly as frustrating and tedious as learning to use Gmax, but in the end very rewarding also). It's just a matter of just doing something else for a while.

After that i find myself being very keen to get some Gmaxing done and am thinking about future projects etc...

It's a balancing act i suppose, but it comes very naturally to me because i have a lot of other interests outside of FS as well.

By the way, my own F27 is virtually the only aircraft i use in FS. Sometimes i check out some interesting releases especially if they were made by people i know from the FFDS forum, but i always find myself going back to my own work.
That to me is also rewarding, the amount of pleasure i had designing it (while learning Gmax) and now flying it as well.

Oh and lest we not forget the repaints... Also nice to do that every once in a while. In my head i have tons of repaint plans (for the F27 of course), if only i could find the time to actually start them...  Grin

That's the way i look at it.

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Reply #14 - Jul 29th, 2006 at 7:32pm

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It is funny I would run across this thread while I am taking a break from FSDS. I find that I have lost very little of the fantasy of the sim experience due to my design addiction. I may pop in and out of FS9 30-40 times during a work session. I still feel the thrill of expectation every time as I wait for the sim to load. When I take the time to do an actual flight  in the sim. I still enjoy every second of it! Boreing? Long flights always have been, that is why they play movies on airliners. For exciting flights I have the CFS series of sims. After a 3hr design session I sometimes load a dawn or dusk flight over Hong Kong in FS9. Then unwind cruising the area. Oops! I gotta get back to work! C Yall!

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Reply #15 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 10:16am

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I certainly agree, I've found that since becoming a designer my love of Flight Sim for actually flying has all but disappeared.  No all my hours seem to get put in within a 20 mile radius of RAF St Mawgan (which I used as a design base) and are almost entirely confines to whatever aircraft I'm working on at that time.

Here's this moments machine..

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Reply #16 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 10:33am

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and I suppost that was a very very long time ago due to your experience to do such a think like this! Jesus Christ! You are a Profesional Ben  Shocked Nice Chopper!! Shocked
 

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Reply #17 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 11:21am

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Thanks a lot Alrot, you can see some more pics at www.simshed.co.uk
 
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Reply #18 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 2:57pm

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The only thing I have ever designed for FS was A house I made while trying to learn GMAX Keyword TRYING TO LEARN. I finally made the house and went nearly bald trying to make the airplane. But I use to fly for a Virtual airline called LIVEWIRE and was a hub manager (KGSO was my hub) It took a lot of time as I had alot of stuf I had to do and it took away from my flying time and I was loosing intrest in flying. I have since left livewire and have regained my interest in flying and managed to find a VA that is not so demanding so now I have the best of booth I fly what I want and where I want and fly for the VA at the same time. What more could you ask for. So I understand what you are going through sometimes the best thing to do is to get away from it for a while. Of course every time you fly you now spot problems you would not have noticed before so it becomes hard not to notice the little things.
Just one of the reasons I respect designers so much as I know what it takes and what it does so try to look at through a different set of eyes and hopefully the joy of simple flight will come back 8)
 
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Reply #19 - Jul 31st, 2006 at 5:33pm

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The only thing I have ever designed for FS was A house I made while trying to learn GMAX Keyword TRYING TO LEARN. I finally made the house and went nearly bald trying to make the airplane. But I use to fly for a Virtual airline called LIVEWIRE and was a hub manager (KGSO was my hub) It took a lot of time as I had alot of stuf I had to do and it took away from my flying time and I was loosing intrest in flying. I have since left livewire and have regained my interest in flying and managed to find a VA that is not so demanding so now I have the best of booth I fly what I want and where I want and fly for the VA at the same time. What more could you ask for. So I understand what you are going through sometimes the best thing to do is to get away from it for a while. Of course every time you fly you now spot problems you would not have noticed before so it becomes hard not to notice the little things.
Just one of the reasons I respect designers so much as I know what it takes and what it does so try to look at through a different set of eyes and hopefully the joy of simple flight will come back 8)


Gary you and Nexus are a walking encyclopedias of knowledge you in fs9 and real aviation and Nexus I though once he was a pilot from a Boeing 747,for me are the only ones who I dear and trust what ever I need,BTW do you still practice astronomy as I do?Remember?
 

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Reply #20 - Aug 1st, 2006 at 1:52pm

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That is correct I still like astronomy but have not use my telescope in some time, there is so much light pollution now that is hardly worth the effort you are not able to see now what you used to be able to see.
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Reply #21 - Aug 12th, 2006 at 5:34pm

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I, as a designer myself, for serval games can completely agree with what you guys are typing here.

The solution is rather simple, get some non-developers to look at the plane, they usualy love it, play/fool around with it, and give you feedback, and i can tell you that you will instantly get your love for FS back!

 
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Reply #22 - Aug 13th, 2006 at 6:49pm

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Ahh Peper,I assume you must be a young boy,No Ofence I wish I could have your age right Now,

Take care.... Wink
 

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Reply #23 - Sep 21st, 2006 at 9:49am

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nah, ejjejeje, alrot no pienses asi pana, thats just temporary, when you feel that youre too absorbed on your proyects its time to take a break, your proyects, your SIm, and lour life will look better ( we are suppose to enjoy that, its a hobby!) of course, the developers start to "see" the FS like Neo in the matrix, when that happens, its time to take things on calm...

i started to had column problems and tend to fatigue, since i work ALL day on a computer, and goin home to see another computer fatigues my eyes a lot also, and i reduced my Gmax sessions a lot for that.

/cause next stage is to over compromise your time with 3D design and we start to think about re-build the whole FS!!!, another stage is when you have so much time on FS develpment and start to "loose" the reality sensation, then you call a friend an put yourself on a real plane, or just GO to the airport to see 'em real... in these days i sit on a real F-5 and came back running to my PC opened gmax... and hehehe. saludos hermano
 

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