There have always been damage effects in FS. At least since FS2000. Str1ker pointed out how it's done. In every aircrafts .cfg file there is the line:

[fltsim.0] 
visual_damage=1

As always, 0 is off, 1 is on. Turn it on and you can lose any part of your aeroplane and crash in a realistic fashion.

So really, it's not a question of adding crashes. It's a question of keeping them. Which, as it's already in the software from FS2000, 2002, FS2004, is highly likely.

Something I could not see on the videos of FSX were the vibrations in VC mode, for example during overspeed or turbulence. I guess this won't be included in the final version ?
In FS9 (and all the previous releases), I really miss an indicator for aircraft stress. Actually, nothing happens at all until you see the "too much stress" message...
There alo, IL-2 series have some nice stuff

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Spins ? I usually get out of a spin (when I enter, which is quite rare) in two or three rotations max
At least you can feel the spin is coming, not like in FS, where you don't feel or hear or see anything until it happens...MS should include a new red message in the bottom of the screen, written "Surpriiiiiiise "

Finally, I was making a comparison with the flight/damage model, not with the features of the sims. The fact that IL2 does not allow addons doesn't alter its qualities (or flaws) regarding flying.

I would love to feel that I used the flaps at too high speed, or the gears, or hear that this turn was on the limit for the structure of my plane etc... things FS doesn't offer right now. This is feeling, and this is an important part of the realism for me.

There are just bugs in the flight model that goes crazy if you exit the normal flight domain of a given plane. With some planes you can manage to do a spin (sort of), especially with the CFS2 planes.

But most of the times, if your aircraft flies backward for too long, it will just adopt sensless rotations and will eventually gain some altitude from time to time

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I already read that somewhere. I doubt real pilots were handling their commands as we handle ours. Sure it's easy to bring the joystick at maximum position anytime, but the real pilots could not do that. This explains why the exit of the flight domain seems so easy to us.

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Because it's harder to get in a spin ? Try Ace Combat, or Crismon Skies even better then...  
As far as I remember, the planes in CFS2 were very touchy on carrier takeoffs as well, stalling very easilly, am I right ?

I had a lot of problems with those spins in IL2 series as well at the beginning. Then I increased my skills and learned to fly with precise movements, not barbarian style stick handling.

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Sure IL-2 had a lot of inconsistencies in its flight data, like roll rates, top speeds, powers etc... It was discussed, they were some corrections and some things remained just wrong, that's true.

But still, even if the flight model is not fully correct, the general behaviour of the airplanes was more pleasant than in FS series.

Concerning 1% planes, they are done on CFS because CFS is the only platform that is open enough to let them realize and tweak the planes exactely as they want. If IL-2 would have been more open-platform like FS/CFS to allow addons, I'm sure some 1% guys would have tried to do some tweaking there as well.

I'm not trying to say that IL-2 or FS is better. In fact I have stopped playing IL2 since a long time now, because of several reasons:
- no addons
- no clickable cockpits
- view system (don't like the control of the view)
- no complete world, solo flight is quite limited.
- etc...

I'm just trying to tell that IL-2 has several elements that FS should adopt to increase the quality of the flight feeling. Exact top speeds, ceiling and rol rates are not enough... this is what I am trying to say

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I can understand that, and I think FS is good for simulating the normal flight conditions of normal aircrafts. I was just complaining a little bit about the lack of "feeling" stuff, meaning that there is still room for updates on this area
But on the other hand, some of us want to explore the other side of the flight, pushing the limits, and even going beyond. Aerobatics and stuff like that, that FS will not allow...


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I agree, the only XPlane I tried was the version 6 (bought it ) and it was just a waste of money.
But nevertheless, I could recongnize all the advantages that XPlane has over FS, just like the rendering of the flight model as you said (real vectors are good ) and some other functionnalities. So I understood that I really had to keep a close eye on the evolution of this one.

XPlane now almost everything FS has, plus some addtionnal stuff. Graphic are below but evolving very quickly, and I think Xplane will be worth the try in a few releases...