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Reply #15 - Apr 19th, 2006 at 12:35pm

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Posted by: Ashar Posted on: Today at 11:48am
I need an FS-GS treatment..   

Ashar, you've been saying that for a while now!  Grin
With all your Payware I am surprised you have not done it yet!  Wink

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Reply #16 - Apr 22nd, 2006 at 3:01pm

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Also, Michael does not work with an overclocked system



not true....



Dave has an OC'ed 6800 Wink
 

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Reply #17 - Apr 22nd, 2006 at 4:09pm

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Ashar, you've been saying that for a while now!  Grin
With all your Payware I am surprised you have not done it yet!  Wink

Dave


I don't know...I keep thinking to get it...and then drop the idea...then all of a sudden a mad urge comes...and then it drops out to...I want to know how long it usually takes...because I am not available on weekdays...(School)...

Weekends..I don't really like to ruin people's precious weekends... ???
 
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Reply #18 - Apr 22nd, 2006 at 8:05pm
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not true....



Dave has an OC'ed 6800 Wink


Yes, but Michael does not set up and test your system while it is overclocked. He requests that the system be returned to its normal state for the hardware you are using. He also suggests/confirms BIOS settings. He sets Windows up and has you run the sim to his specifications and asks questions that tell him if something is wrong or not. If a system is overclocked while Michael is evaluating the tests, it would not tell him what he needs to know, therefore Michael does not work with an overclocked system. What one does do with their system after the service is up to them.  Wink


 
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Reply #19 - Apr 22nd, 2006 at 8:06pm
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I don't know...I keep thinking to get it...and then drop the idea...then all of a sudden a mad urge comes...and then it drops out to...I want to know how long it usually takes...because I am not available on weekdays...(School)...

Weekends..I don't really like to ruin people's precious weekends... ???



He worked with me on a Saturday afternoon. You have to schedule an appointment to find out when he is available.
 
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Reply #20 - Apr 24th, 2006 at 2:51pm

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Posted by: Buff Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2006, 3:01pm
Quote:Also, Michael does not work with an overclocked system
not true....
Dave has an OC'ed 6800


Buff, my GeForce 6800 is "overclocked" out of the box  Wink
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Based on the same great architecture as the BFG GeForce™ 6800 Ultra OC™, this card is overclocked out-of-the-box and features a powerful 16-pipe superscalar GPU with 256MB of GDDR3 memory for the mainstream enthusiast.

Above taken from http://www.bfgtech.com/6800GTOC.html

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Reply #21 - May 10th, 2006 at 9:00am

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For a lousy seventy-three bucks I can have graphics like the Southwest 747 screenshot?! My system is not overclocked or anything extraordinary. Would the FS-GS service be of any value to someone who doesn't know how to open Windows Explorer in two windows as is done when installing downloaded aircraft?
 

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Reply #22 - May 14th, 2006 at 3:18pm
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For a lousy seventy-three bucks I can have graphics like the Southwest 747 screenshot?! My system is not overclocked or anything extraordinary. Would the FS-GS service be of any value to someone who doesn't know how to open Windows Explorer in two windows as is done when installing downloaded aircraft?



I can not vouch for what Michael can do for you... With your system he may suggest hardware upgrades but if that is not possible I would think he could help boost your expereince with what you have. His service also boosts your entire computer, not just FS9.

The payware PMDG 747 Southwest image comes from the FlyTampa payware airport San Francisco, Flight1 UT USA and Ground Environment textures, Flight Environment clouds and FSgenesis mesh and with my own personal water textures. Those packages along with my hardware and FS-GS service is what makes that image what it is.

Even with the service if you are not willing to spend money on the RIGHT add-ons your visuals will not look like that image although what you see even without those add-on installed should be much better and smoother.

 
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Reply #23 - May 31st, 2006 at 3:08pm
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That does it, first time I get enough money I am getting the FS-GS treatment
 
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Reply #24 - May 31st, 2006 at 4:47pm

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Including the number zero, there are only 3 possible numbers that FS9 will recognize in that line.
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You must have the correct types of scenery mesh installed to set that line to its maximum value or both visual anomalies and performance stutter issues will occur.  

I understand, and appreciate, your loyalty in not wanting to take the business away to the person who did you a good service. This is right.
But what are these two other values that FS2004 will accept, setting "0" aside?
Surely there's much more to FS-GS than this information, so you will not rip anyone off if you give this hint away.  Smiley
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Also, and on second thought, other questions arise:
1) Every graphic engine is different. If I tweak my system for FS9, couldn't this possibly cause problems in other games? For example, I mainly play only two titles: FS9 and the venerable (but still great) Grand Prix Legends. I have found that certain driver tweaks that make FS9 smoother in turn cause problems in GPL.
2) By now, I have made up my mind about whose pictures are my favourite in this forum (Freeware and payware snapshots sections). I'd be curious to know if any of these users were FS-GS customers. So, FS-GS junkies, out of the closet, declare yourself!  Wink
« Last Edit: Jun 1st, 2006 at 4:14am by FridayChild »  

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Reply #25 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 11:05am
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I understand, and appreciate, your loyalty in not wanting to take the business away to the person who did you a good service. This is right.
But what are these two other values that FS2004 will accept, setting "0" aside?
Surely there's much more to FS-GS than this information, so you will not rip anyone off if you give this hint away.  Smiley
EDIT:
Also, and on second thought, other questions arise:
1) Every graphic engine is different. If I tweak my system for FS9, couldn't this possibly cause problems in other games? For example, I mainly play only two titles: FS9 and the venerable (but still great) Grand Prix Legends. I have found that certain driver tweaks that make FS9 smoother in turn cause problems in GPL.
2) By now, I have made up my mind about whose pictures are my favourite in this forum (Freeware and payware snapshots sections). I'd be curious to know if any of these users were FS-GS customers. So, FS-GS junkies, out of the closet, declare yourself!  Wink


Granted, if there was another source, or several sources, on the internet for the correct setting information I would provide the answer to your question however as far as I have seen the only source for the correct answer is FSGS... therefore I will not discuss the settings for that line as it would break my agreement to not discuss proprietary information.

As for the questions about driver tweaks, FSGS will not work with an “overclocked” or “tweaked” video system. The service requires you return your system and your driver settings back to normal and FSGS will walk you though the settings for the drivers from there. FSGS does not tweak your drivers at all or use any special hack tools for settings.

The service deals with FS9, no other title. Once the service is complete you can make any changes you want to your drivers for other titles.

FSGS will contact you for an initial consultation at which point FSGS may request several things. Only if considered needed; Hardware upgrades, add-on removal, software removal or suggestions to obtain add-ons are made based on the consultation. Recommendations for drivers are made and you will be asked to obtain a few small utility programs for quick access to FS9 files. It is also possible FSGS may request FS9 be completely reinstalled if it is found you do not have it properly installed in its correct location and the FS9.1 patch was not installed correctly, and/or you have certain types of junk add-on software known for causing problems in FS9 which cannot be completely uninstalled because the author of the software is an idiot. Either way, if a reinstall is required or fixes to FS9 can be done without a reinstall, FSGS will walk you through the correct installation procedures.

FSGS walks you through a proper setup of WindowsXP for maximum memory and CPU cycle availability. FSGS will then work with you on proper driver installation and setup. FS9 is then booted and set up correctly for your video card and system. Assistance with FSUIPC and other software such as weather can be provided. I think those expensive weather programs are ridiculous because the FS9 weather engine works great if FSUIPC is set up right, but that is just my opinion.

So, that is the process. There are some changes and settings that are well known, others that are not. In any case, it is not a single setting that makes the system perform. It is a combination of all the settings applied to your individual computer setup after FS9 has been calibrated.



 
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Reply #26 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 11:31am

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Understood.  Smiley
Let me just (partly) disagree with you on the "proprietary information" bit. What do you mean by that? If you mean the information is proprietary to Microsoft (i.e. it's considered "industrial secret", like the infamous Windows APIs) then FS-GS would be violating it in the first place.
If on the other hand you mean - as I'm sure - that you had to or you voluntarily agreed to not disclose any detail about what you learned from FS-GS during the calibration process (which, I understand, lasts several hours and requires interaction between FS-GS and the user, meaning that FS-GS instruct the user to make changes with a brief explanation of the reason why, and the user executes them) then it's a different matter. Then those informations are not - strictly speaking - proprietary (to FS-GS), but rather they are the result of hard research work by FS-GS and so it's in FS-GS's interest that they remain confidential.
At this point let me ask you: was the "non disclosure policy" part of the contractual conditions, or did you voluntarily chose to agree to that? In the latter case, what would happen if a user didn't agree to that condition and, after being FS-GS'ed, publicly disclosed all the details on the web?
That said, once again I think that you are right in not wanting to step in FS-GS toes since it's obvious that they rock, but then again, surely there's much more to FS-GS than just the bare explanation of what the allowed values for a certain fs9.cfg parameter are. If revealing this simple information could spoil the business, then one would think that it's not that big deal, and we both know well that this isn't the case, right?  Wink
Let me know; as for FS-GS, I'll seriously consider it, but first I'll try all I'm capable of to better my FS9 world... it's a matter of pride, you see.  Grin
 

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Reply #27 - Jun 1st, 2006 at 11:28pm
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I will not disclose information or techniques which are not available on the net and which someone worked very hard researching.

If I contracted Microsoft and paid them their rate for exclusive ONE ON ONE training there would be a contract involved which would include a NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT.  I am currently testing for MS right now and I know exactly how the system works.

It is typical in any business where intellectual property or technique is involved to establish a non disclosure agreement.

I am not legally bound by a signed contract with FSGS. My word is my bond. I could without any legal repercussions post the entire process in a thread. That may help allot of people but it could also make their systems worse simply because I do not know the correct FS9 and driver settings for every card on the market going back 3 years. Therefore posting such information would do nothing but violate an agreement which was made in trust.

What I paid for was a professional graphics consultant which is highly experienced with MSFS. This person has ties with Microsoft, ATI and Nvidia. The fee I paid was NOTHING compared to the hourly rate a Microsoft, ATI or Nvidia graphics engineer would charge for personal service. I was charged the equivalent of approximately ˝ hour of time with a Microsoft, ATI or Nvidia graphics engineer and given at minimum 8-12 hours of service if you include the technical talks I had with Michael in which he disclosed quite a bit of information to me with respect to proper graphics development in MSFS. The session for the service went very fast because I am an engineer myself and the changes were very easy for me to comprehend and make.

To be quite honest, if you were to approach FS-GS with the attitude you tend to display in the post above, I doubt they would accept you as a client. I think it is a "big deal" to make a trust and break it by disclosing infomation even if the information is minute and would probably have no finacial impact, it's still breaking an agreement and more important, my word.
 
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Reply #28 - Jun 2nd, 2006 at 5:26am

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"To be quite honest, if you were to approach FS-GS with the attitude you tend to display in the post above, I doubt they would accept you as a client. I think it is a "big deal" to make a trust and break it by disclosing infomation even if the information is minute and would probably have no finacial impact, it's still breaking an agreement and more important, my word."
That's precisely why I asked you - out of interest and curiosity - if you actually gave your word about it. It's completely obvious that, if you did, you would be bound to keep it.
I think you misunderstood my last sentence: I said that *if* revealing the possible values for a single parameter would alone take business away from FSGS then one would think that calibrating FS9 is not that big deal. A paradox, because everybody knows that of course it *IS* a big deal... that's why I thought that revealing it would not damage FSGS because there are so many other tweakings to do that require extensive knowledge.
But you explained that you are bound to an agreement, no matter how tiny the information you are asked to reveal is; I respect this and will ask you no more.  Wink
 

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Reply #29 - Jun 2nd, 2006 at 11:03am
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That's precisely why I asked you - out of interest and curiosity - if you actually gave your word about it. It's completely obvious that, if you did, you would be bound to keep it.
I think you misunderstood my last sentence: I said that *if* revealing the possible values for a single parameter would alone take business away from FSGS then one would think that calibrating FS9 is not that big deal. A paradox, because everybody knows that of course it *IS* a big deal... that's why I thought that revealing it would not damage FSGS because there are so many other tweakings to do that require extensive knowledge.
But you explained that you are bound to an agreement, no matter how tiny the information you are asked to reveal is; I respect this and will ask you no more.  Wink



Thank you for understanding my position.

The only reason I posted the information I did in this thread with respect to settings was to demonstrate all the bull being posted on the net and how out of whack most people have their systems, and don’t realize it because of lack of knowledge or more often than not, ego.

I, like many others, have searched the internet for solutions to FS9 performance issues and for tweaks. I would say that 80-90% of what FS-GS provides is available on the net. The problem with the internet posted information is that it also includes bad settings and advice which is mixed in with the good settings and advice which makes it impossible to know if one has obtained correct solutions. FS-GS removes the doubt and provides the correct answers. They also provide answers that are not available on the net, at all. The combination is what makes the service worth the investment.

FS9 is hyper-sensitive to all settings. All FS9 and driver setting must be in sync with the computer system they are being applied to for maximum performance and visual experience. Add to that, there are a large number of add-ons which are not properly designed which in turn cause FS9 issues. Knowing what to look for and how to correct it is an entire subject in itself. FS-GS explains and simplifies that process. A course in graphics engineering would be quite expensive and I am sure would not address issues for a specific game title.

At one point in time I spent more time looking for solutions and tweaks than I did enjoying the software. I like to solve problems myself, something an engineering ego has programmed into it. After coming to the conclusion that I had achieved the best results possible I went back to enjoying the software. I was very satisfied with the FS9 I was getting.

Over time I decided to throw down a few bucks and see if all the work I did actually achieved the best possible results. I have known about FS-GS for several years prior to using the service. There are days I spend more on lunch than I did with FS-GS. The money was never the issue.

What I discovered is that I did not need to waste the hours and days spent in tweaking and furthermore the time I spent did not provide maximum results. Quite simply FS-GS drastically improved my sim experience in one afternoon and provided all the information I needed to keep my sim in top condition when installing new add-ons, creating my own or when I may reinstall the setup into another system.

Knowing the technology field, and I do.. very well, I obtained what I would consider between $1000-$2000 in service and education for the price of a nice lunch, including drinks, at an upscale downtown Seattle restaurant.

I should have done it years ago


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