Simviation Forum - system restoration services ?

Aug 28^th, 2006 at 10:53am

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hi gents,

I came across a guide for services activation and deactivation to improve windows perfs.

they recommand to deactivate the system restoration service, I would like to have your point of view before doing this... what can be the consequences, is it really usefull to deactivate it, what if the comp crash, etc....????

thanks.
vince

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Reply #1 - Aug 28^th, 2006 at 12:58pm

cheesegrater Ex Member

When I install Windows the first thing I do is turn off system restore. System restore wastes hard drive space and lowers performance.

I had one problem where the computer crashed and it wouldn't boot in safe mode, so I just reformatted. I don't know if system restore would have helped. I don't really care.

I remember when I first got Windows XP and it crashed and System Restore didn't do anything to help.

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Reply #2 - Aug 28^th, 2006 at 5:44pm

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I do the same as Cheesegrater, and in my experience, when a windows fault occurs that is serious enough that I can't fix it, system restore doesn't work either.

From what I tried, if you turn System Restore off, you lose any restore points you saved so it's not possible to just turn it on again and go to a previous restore point.

If anyone knows how to restore to a previously saved restore point without the need for System Restore to be continuously run, please post about it!

System restore doesn't replace moved or deleted files as far as I'm aware, so if you expect an exact replica of a previous PC state, you could be disappointed.

I turn it off for performance reasons, I'm not sure of it's exact impact, but it does slow the PC somewhat.

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Reply #3 - Aug 29^th, 2006 at 12:35am

Nick N Ex Member

system restore was designed for the typical office mutten-head who would not know if thier computer was slow or fast. What it will do is go back to a point in time before they did something to the system to cause a problem, like install real player and it borked the office computer... heres the kicker,... what if that restore point was before a driver or windows update? Mixing up windows files is a good way to get the worst results from a high performance system.

I vote OFF

I keep my own backups of critical data which I trust more than to allow Bill Gates control over making sure my information is secure.

System restore was designed as a sales gimick for people who were typically afraid of their computer because they had such a horrible time with loosing their data in Windows98. Everytime they would call for service at gatway or other companies.. the first thing out of the guys mouth on the other end was read from a teleprompter.... "Insert the Windows disk in the CD drive and reformat the drive"

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Reply #4 - Aug 29^th, 2006 at 12:41am

Nick N Ex Member

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hi gents,

I came across a guide for services activation and deactivation to improve windows perfs.

they recommand to deactivate the system restoration service, I would like to have your point of view before doing this... what can be the consequences, is it really usefull to deactivate it, what if the comp crash, etc....????

thanks.
vince

Im going to say this.. be carefull what you shut down. Although there ARE some services you can shut down, with todays hardware and drivers there are some that will cripple your system if you do. The old "BLACK VIPER" service shutdown lists do NOT work with newer hardware and drivers and will make the system SLOWER.

The ONLY ones I shut down are as follows:

CONTROL PANEL – ADMINISTRATION TOOLS – SERVICE

Each service I list below has the exact same procedure to shutting it down. You must do the following to each service on the list:

1. Double click the service.

2. STARTUP TYPE: change it to DISABLED, click APPLY.

3. LOGON TAB: HARDWARE PROFILE BOX – double click your hardware profile and it should change the login under the SERVICE column to DISABLED, click APPLY and OK.

4. Go to the next service and repeat the process

Here is the list: (note: some of these may not appear in your service list)

ALERTER
ATI HOTKEY POLLER (this service can't be shut down anymore with newest ATI 6.7 drivers or it can cause 2d-3d switch problems)
CLIPBOOK
ERROR REPORTING SERVICE (must also be disabled in system properties)
HELP AND SUPPORT
INDEXING SERVICES (must also uncheck all drives in 'my computer' and the properites for each drive shown)
MESSENGER
NETMEETING REMOTE DETECT
NETWORK DDE
NETWORK DDE DSDM
PERFORMANCE LOGS AND ALERTS (must also run exctrlst.exe from Win2k resource kit to shut down the counters)
REMOTE REGISTRY
ROUTING AND REMOTE ACCESS
SECURITY CENTER
SYSTEM RESTORE (must also shut it down in the system config)
TELNET (SOME PROGRAMS MIGHT NEED THIS BUT I DON’T USE IT)

Everything else RUNS as it was set (Automatic or Manual) when WindowsXP was installed. I do not boot into any special account or hardware profile to fly FS9 or FSX and Ii do not use any programs such as FS autostart, only AI smooth.

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Reply #5 - Aug 29^th, 2006 at 1:20am

Nick N Ex Member

EDIT
Oppppps.... Sorry, the post that was in this space was meant for another thread... I moved it. Grin

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Reply #6 - Aug 29^th, 2006 at 6:09am

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thanks for your reply gents...

nick I'm not too sure about your last post, what it means and who you are talking about, but I feel like it's not for me anyway...

here are some other services I deselected according to the guide I talked about:

note that it's a translation from french...

-IIS administrator
-netbios TCP/IP assistant
- WMI performance maps
-secondary connexion
-distributed transaction network
-LM NT security provider
-remote help manager
-download manager
-universal plug and play host
-FTP publication
-WWW publication
-QoS RSVP
-SSDP service
-IPSE service
-SMTP
-webclient

don't know what do you think about that... Roll Eyes

by the way, all the service you gave were also in that list

vince

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Reply #7 - Aug 29^th, 2006 at 1:16pm

Nick N Ex Member

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nick I'm not too sure about your last post, what it means and who you are talking about, but I feel like it's not for me anyway...

You are correct. I had 2 forums open at the time and the post above was placed in the wrong one, sorry for the confusion.

Some of the services you name indicate either an older version of Windows XP or Windows 2000, or perhaps a translation difference of some type.

"IIS Administrator Service" and "FTP publication" along with a few others in that list indicates you have Windows Internet Information Services installed.

Are you running a web server from your system? If not, and to verify the IIS is installed, click

CONTROL PANEL - ADD OR REMOVE PROGRAMS - ADD OR REMOVE WINDOWS COMPONENTS

See if "Internet Information Services" is checked. If it is and you are not running a web server my advice is to remove it completely. Uncheck Internet Information Services, click NEXT and allow it to uninstall which should delete the un-needed services.

As for the rest of the services you listed,

-remote help manager... if it is the same as "Remote Access Auto Connection Manager" it can be disabled.

-secondary connexion ... If this is the same as "Secondary Logon" and you do not need that service it can be disabled.

-universal plug and play host... UpnP Host had a security problem back in 2003 however M$ updated it and assuming you have all the critical updates for your system it is no longer a hazard. If you dont use it for your router or other UpnP devices, it can be disabled.

I see no reason to shut down any of the other services. Between uninstalling IIS and disabling what I posted, you have removed the majority of any background problems.

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Reply #8 - Aug 30^th, 2006 at 10:43am

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thanks nick...
after following your advices I discovered another "indexing service" in control panel-add/remove prog-add/remove windows component, which I disabled...
otherwise the IIS thingy was allready disabled that way...

I don't know yet for FS, but at least for office use I can see the difference... faster!

vince

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Reply #9 - Aug 30^th, 2006 at 12:37pm

Nick N Ex Member

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thanks nick...
after following your advices I discovered another "indexing service" in control panel-add/remove prog-add/remove windows component, which I disabled...
otherwise the IIS thingy was allready disabled that way...

I don't know yet for FS, but at least for office use I can see the difference... faster!

vince

hmmmmm... I have never seen the IIS Admin service installed on a system that did not have IIS Server installed.

I would think it would be OK to disable it in the services list. Just make sure you do it using the "logon" tab. Disabling by the startup dropdown box only keeps the service from running but it still loads up in the memory.

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Reply #10 - Sep 1^st, 2006 at 5:29am

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Indexing service is something I stop immediately when I install my system, and most other PC's I work on as well.

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