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FS-GS Service.. Seeing Is Believing (Read 549 times)
Apr 14th, 2006 at 6:26pm
Nick N   Ex Member

 
This is for those who have not used the FS-GS service...


I decided to give FS-GS a whirl. My visual quality and performance was what I considered higher than satisfactory and to tell you the truth I was a bit sceptical and did not think I could do much better with FS9. It was not my goal to make a challenge to Michael, just see how his service may increase my experience. In any case Michael Greenblatt @ FS-GS proved I could do better with FS9.

Even with an electrical engineering background, I shut-up, listened and learned.

I am not going to give away any settings because EVERY SYSTEM is different so please do not PM me for information. I will however relay information which may help anyone who reads this understand how the service is not only beneficial to just about any level of computer tech, gamer or novice but to just about any level of system hardware.

Even though prior to his service I had made many of the OS and FS9 setup changes his service suggests, by the end of the session my FS9 performance increased 20% right out of the gate with 100% FS9 sliders and checkboxes enabled and my graphics card set to 100% quality… Shocked

That is a heck of an increase for a software title known for crushing CPU and GPU cycles.

In checking the effect the service had on other graphics applications, I found in 3DMark, (6xAA, 16xAF enabled), a consistant 300-500pt increase had resulted. That may not seem like much however the 300-500pt gain came from the OS resource to CPU/Memory performance of the benchmark, meaning, my system was now placing critical resources into FS9 I was not getting (at all) prior to the FS-GS service. That translates into CPU cycles which FS9 now has better access to and uses.

As I had always known, many of the WindowsXP reg hacks, FS9.cfg file and other tweaks posted around the net are really complete trash. There are minimal reg hacks and WindowsXP changes which Michael will walk you through setting up. Changes to the FS9.cfg file are based on YOUR system and YOUR video adapter which Michael spent years in development of establishing correct settings based on individual systems, hardware and add-ons. You will learn the REAL meaning of the important numbers in the FS9.cfg file and their relationship/ how they affect each other when changed.

A popular add-on which is typically installed and forgotten about is FSUIPC. It should not be ignored. With Michaels service you have the opportunity to learn about FSUIPC settings which can further enhance your experience without killing resources.

If Michael suggests to get rid of an add-on OR suggests you acquire an add-on, don't question, just DO IT. Michael does not own any financial stake in making add-on suggestions. Michael knows what works and what doesn’t, period.

You will learn about add-ons and how many developers (even the most expensive add-on planes and scenery) are clueless as to how to properly design textures for Flight Simulator. Learning what to watch out for when installing add-ons and what to do to correct textures yourself can convert aircraft and scenery which bring FS9 to its knees, into smooth running software with minimal FS9 performance hits.

You will learn about FS9 calibration… You heard right, there is a method of calibrating FS9 so the system is correctly balanced for the load FS9 applies to it. You will find no reference to FS9 calibration methods from anyone but a Microsoft graphics consultant.

In the follow up sessions the initial 20% gain was further increased. Usually I fly real world weather with 100% 3D clouds maxed out. During heavy cloud cover and overcast conditions the drain on the sim is enormous. I am sure you have heard about using reduced size freeware cloud textures and I have my own version of clouds which help but I never, ever expected to see and experience 100% cloud and weather conditions with realistic multilayer cloud FX and almost NO hit on the system. In calculating the load change, Michaels follow up settings and suggestions added a 40% gain to my FS9 performance.

I learned how freeware cloud fixes and even my own were actually causing more problems than they had solved. Amazing...

As I have always known, frame rate watching while the sim is running is not important. Whats important is smooth frames, not the number being displayed during flight. The only time frame rate counts are important is during calibration, otherwise the counter means practically nothing and actually causes a loss of 3 real frames when it is active on the screen.

Michael tests for ATI and Nvidia has connections to Microsoft itself. That experience alone is worth twice the service fee. Try and get a personal appointment with an ATI, Nvidia or Microsoft graphics engineer and see how far you get. If you manage to get an appointment, you won’t get hours of personalized services. Technical support in such cases would cost anywhere from $50 to $100USD + per hour and they WILL charge you even if their advice does not help, Michael doesn't.


Do the math… then do the FS-GS service. http://www.fs-gs.com/




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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 6:02am

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Very nice i am currently saving up for this service
Could you please give more detailed infomation on your system specs and Framerates Before/After Grin
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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 6:04am

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Btw did you get

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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2006 at 4:21pm
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The level 2 service, which is 60 euros

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I want it understood that the question "what were your frame rates before and after" will not provide you with any answers.

Also, Michael does not work with an overclocked system. Your hardware is set up to run at its stock speeds with the proper BIOS and driver settings.

Frame rates, outside of tuning FS9 for your hardware, are the most ridiculous way to judge Flight Simulator performance. Your video card and system determine the base frame rate you should be able to achieve, after that it about tuning for smooth consistant flight and finding the correct frame lock to achieve that goal.

FYI, I gained 5 frames to my frame lock after calibration but that is not what makes FS9 smooth. Smooth flight is based on a combination of settings working in a UNIFIED system which is customized for your setup. If you run the frame counter during flight you are removing 3 frames of performance from what you see on the screen. The frame counter itself puts a load on the system. The only time the frame counter should be on is during calibration, no other time.

In any case, even if I run the frame counter and the frame rate dips into the low 20’s or high teen’s during a high stress point in a flight, the visual screen is smooth and I cannot tell the difference between 33 displayed frames on the counter and 16.

Fight Simulator is not CS or other games. It requires a load balance of settings based on the CPU and GPU being used. Watching and judging FS by frame rates is the biggest mistake most people make.

Your results with the service will be directly related to a combination of things. Your hardware, you OS setup, how you installed FS9 and its update and the add-ons you use along with how you set up FS9 for a flight.

Michael may suggest hardware upgrades to maximize your experience. You cannot expect 35fps with 100% slider enabled on an 800Mhz system running an MMX video card however the service is designed to maximize the hardware you have to work with.

What you learn in the session can be applied to future hardware changes or reinstalls and I would think  Michael can give some support in recommending settings to a future hardware purchase but that is something you would need to discuss with him. He does take care of his customers in follow ups.





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Reply #4 - Apr 16th, 2006 at 4:10pm

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would you say this service is usefull for someone like me who is using litestep with a homemade theme and has good knowlage of what fs9.cfg tweeks do and what the registry does?  is he rearly rearly good is basicly what i'm asking Wink
 

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Reply #5 - Apr 16th, 2006 at 4:26pm
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would you say this service is usefull for someone like me who is using litestep with a homemade theme and has good knowlage of what fs9.cfg tweeks do and what the registry does?  is he rearly rearly good is basicly what i'm asking Wink



Lets put it like this, if he can not make a difference, you dont pay. So what do you have to loose?

Also, you may understand the settings however do you understand how to put them all together to create a properly load balanced system for FS9 use?


To briefly touch base on your understand FS9.cfg file perhaps the following would be a good way of examining that question.

1.
Please list all the possible settings for the line listed below.

2.
Is a fractual numerical setting possible for that line?

TERRAIN_EXTENDED_LEVELS=XXXX

3.
How many zeros should be listed after a whole number -OR- (if applicable) a fractual numerical setting in that line?

4.
What must be installed into FS9 before the line above can be set to its maximum numerical value?


I will not provide correct answers if you are wrong. I will also not get into it any more discussion of settings than I posted above.

If you do not know or are unsure of the answers to any of the questions about that line, you are probably not running FS9 correctly.

Remember, even having the correct answers does not mean you are using your system and FS9 to it's full potential. FS9 depends on ALL OS and FS9 settings/tweaks being correct and balanced for the individual rig. Even duplicate towers may require different settings in calibration of the system for FS9 use.




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Reply #6 - Apr 17th, 2006 at 12:53am

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The above tweek has been made publicly available before, though I won't dispel it's source ATM, indeed if I can even find it again...... but, as you say NickN, that's just one of many improvements FSGS can help with.

I haven't used the service, due more to financial constraints than anything else, I've always been curious however, and I was sceptical at first, but after reading MANY posts by satisfied customers over the years, and considering his guarantee, it looks great.
 

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Reply #7 - Apr 17th, 2006 at 1:09am

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Well I have alawaies wanted to do FS-GS, however as you said every system is different, and with how much I change mine, its just not worth it I believe. Also I like ventureing into overclocking, and from the looks of it, it would seem that this is kinda an anti-overclocking service. So for now I dont plan to do it, however there may come a day.

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Reply #8 - Apr 17th, 2006 at 3:56am

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Well I have alawaies wanted to do FS-GS, however as you said every system is different, and with how much I change mine, its just not worth it I believe. Also I like ventureing into overclocking, and from the looks of it, it would seem that this is kinda an anti-overclocking service. So for now I dont plan to do it, however there may come a day.

Cheers
Cameron


Not so much anti overclock ........... you won't need to overclock after the service  Wink Wink Wink Grin Grin Grin
 

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Reply #9 - Apr 17th, 2006 at 1:31pm
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Not so much anti overclock ........... you won't need to overclock after the service  Wink Wink Wink Grin Grin Grin



Exactly....


..but if you do overclock, and do it right, it can improve the improvement  Grin


...And Cameron, Micheal provides a method of calibrating which you can use with hardware changes. Once you learn the methods it is quite easy to tweak it yourself but I think Michael would be glad to provide base settings in the event of a hardware upgrade.


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Also I like ventureing into overclocking, and from the looks of it, it would seem that this is kinda an anti-overclocking service. So for now I dont plan to do it, however there may come a day.

Cheers
Cameron



Your BIOS is set up to your hardware (CPU Memory, Video) base, stock settings for a very good reason. Even though I do it too, I do believe overclocking is overrated - however- Michael must have your system set up in a base test framework which is not tainted by artificial performance settings so he can test your rig for issues. If you are overclocked his analysis cannot be complete and he could miss problems you may not be aware are happening.

What you do after the service is up to you. I kept my system at its base setup for over a week while going through the service, testing and having a few follow up sessions. Once everything was tweaked I cranked it back up.

I have tested systems for years. Currently I find that my 25% CPU overclock only adds 3-5% to the graphics system performance. The video card o/c adds approx. 10%. Thats graphic system performance, not FS9. FS9 relies on a balance or resources, not overclocking. In some cases overclocking can rob FS9 of resources due to heat and overdriving the electronics.

NOTE: My frame lock is not increased when O/c'ng the CPU and video card. All that provides is a minor boost in heavy load 3rd party airports when heavy traffic and cloud cover is present. I do use the words 'minor boost' because even when not overclocked the difference before and after the service in the same simulation circumstances is night and day.

My system does unbelievably well now without O/c'ing, something I never thought was possible under nasty load condtions.

What is even more important is my visual experience (as in a realistic looking simulation) has dramatically increased.

You would not install Windows or install or run mission-critical programs while overclocked, you should not be overclocked until the service is complete, all follow up sessions are complete and you have established the unified settings for your sim.





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Reply #10 - Apr 17th, 2006 at 2:09pm
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The above tweek has been made publicly available before, though I won't dispel it's source ATM, indeed if I can even find it again...... but, as you say NickN, that's just one of many improvements FSGS can help with.




I'm not giving anything away

But:

1.
Including the number zero, there are only 3 possible numbers that FS9 will recognize in that line. If any other number is used FS9 will default to zero automatically. In example, a popular myth value of: 1242456 will be ignored by the sim and default that line to zero. If a system is out of balance with FS9, a value of zero can make scenery appear visually sharper however that is nothing more than a placebo visual which robs the system from one end to give to another.

2.
Unlike other numbers in the FS9.cfg file, the number used as the setting in that line should never be followed by a decimal or any zeros.

3.
That number can NOT be a fractal value

4.
You must have the correct types of scenery mesh installed to set that line to its maximum value or both visual anomalies and performance stutter issues will occur.

What I posted does not give away anything but I do believe it shows allot of what is posted on the net is hogwash.

Micheal dispells the myths so you QUIT TWEAKING and enjoy flying. When the sim does act up you know from your education through Michael how to deal with it, track down the culprit and fix the problem which is usually a third party aircraft or scenery package.


The visual realisim is quite impressive. My gauged performance increased approximately 40% but my visuals and the entire experience has had a 100% boost. I thought my sim was smooth before... I did not realize what smooth flying really meant!


60 euros (73 USD) was well worth the money.

I could have dropped major cash on hardware and never achieved the same visual results. Because of FS-GS, when I do drop that cash, the purchases I make have become worth the investment and Michael's service increases their value to me as well.

When I do upgrade the next purchase will more than likely be an FX60 processor. As a matter of fact I will probably order that processor in a month or two in anticipation of a complete system upgrade to PCI-E by the end of the year. Michael confirmed my professional experience that pure horsepower always wins, especially with flight simulator.

 
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Reply #11 - Apr 17th, 2006 at 4:10pm

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could definatly use his services if hes as good as he says he is.  I ethier can get very smooth fs experiance with hires testures a mid distance from the plane and an ugly join to medium res in the distance with good loading times for each texture or no rearly hires textures as each tile ocupies a larger area on the sim, no noticable tile joins but poor smoothness. 

I think I shall enlist his services when I get fsx  Grin
 

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Reply #12 - Apr 17th, 2006 at 6:54pm
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could definatly use his services if hes as good as he says he is.  I ethier can get very smooth fs experiance with hires testures a mid distance from the plane and an ugly join to medium res in the distance with good loading times for each texture or no rearly hires textures as each tile ocupies a larger area on the sim, no noticable tile joins but poor smoothness.  

I think I shall enlist his services when I get fsx  Grin



I'm not sure if he will be FSX ready or not. If not I am sure it will not take him long to prepare with the experience he has with graphics. Michael is no just a Flight sim consultant. He consults on real world graphics and server systems.

 
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Reply #13 - Apr 18th, 2006 at 4:41pm
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Reply #14 - Apr 19th, 2006 at 11:48am

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I need an FS-GS treatment.. Shocked
 
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