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Scarry F-14 accident video (happy end) (Read 332 times)
Mar 23rd, 2006 at 6:40am

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Might have been posted before.. however
a friend send me this link yesterday.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sIEt0y9yKHo&search=f14

Fortunately both pilots survived. You can hear them scream
at the end of the video ... "two parachutes".
I also searched the internet and came across this

NWSA1066. USS Abraham Lincoln F-14 crashes at sea
AT SEA ABOARD USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (NWSA) -- Both air crew
from a U.S. Navy F-14A have been safely recovered following a
crash in the Pacific Ocean 800 miles west of Guam on Sept. 20.
The two aviators were safely recovered by a USS John Paul
Jones' (DDG 53) small boat shortly after their aircraft crashed
in the water approximately 56 miles from the aircraft carrier USS
Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72). USS John Paul Jones is a part of the
Abraham Lincoln Battle Group.
The aircraft was from Fighter Squadron 213 (VF-213), based
at Naval Air Station Miramar, Calif. The squadron is part of
Carrier Airwing 11.
A helicopter from Helicopter Anti-submarine Squadron 6
(HS-6), based at Naval Air Station North Island, San Diego,
returned the air crew to Abraham Lincoln.

I have now some questions.
1. How can a pilot eject out of this situation ?
2. What happend.. Did he overstress his aircraft (You can
see plane starting a turn short before the explosion) or
did his engine just blew up for some reason ?
 

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Reply #1 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 7:38am

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I believe and Bman can prob confirm or correct this, that the F14A had certain design faults that caused this to happen. Overstressing the airframe at or near supersonic velocity.
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 8:27am

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I found an further post in the same thread
.. havenīt seen it before...

interesting read !!

(of course I cannot grant itīs not a fake)

"""
Greetings,

This is my first post on Ebaums and really I am posting to clarify a few things.

1) I am a Navy Air Traffic Controller.
2) I was stationed aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) From 1994-1999.
3) I was on Marshal Control in the Carrier Air Traffic Control Center (CATCC) when this accident happened.

I’m not certain how many specifics I can get into. I do not think I can get into where we were exactly or where we were going. However, the accident report has been declassified and as such I can relay a few pertinent facts about what happened.

I was tracking the Aircraft and he was traveling at a high rate of speed. He never requested to do a flyby on the John Paul Jones and since he was inside my airspace (out to 60 nautical miles) he should have made a request to do so. Fact is he never was in communications with me at all.

Naval investigators concluded the loss of the airplane was due to "pilot error" because Bates failed to take the required action to prevent his plane from going into an uncontrollable spin after an engine stall.

The F-14 he was flying was an F-14A and the engines on that series were prone to compressor stalls when making high angle of attack maneuvers, at high speeds, in dense atmosphere (read: Low altitude). At the time of this accident they were transitioning to the F-14B with engines that were 30% more powerful.

Because of the great distance between F-14 engines, asymmetrical thrust becomes a real problem should one engine fail.

Going outside of the official mishap investigation; it would appear to me that just prior to the explosion, LCDR (Lieutenant Commander) Bates place his aircraft in a very hard turn. If you look at the video, you will notice the aircraft flying at a 90-degree wing down attitude just prior to the explosion.

As I stated earlier; Naval investigators concluded the loss of the airplane was due to "pilot error".

Some of you may recall there was an F-14 accident in January of 1996. In this accident the pilot requested an "Unrestricted climb" and his departure took him vertical. He was observed to pass into an overcast layer of clouds at nearly a 90-degree angle of attack. Shortly after he was seen going into the clouds, his aircraft reversed direction and impacted a house. The pilot, RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) and three people on the ground were killed.

The findings on this accident were also found to be "pilot error".

Can you guess who the pilot of the later flight was? If you guessed LCDR John Stacy Bates you would be correct.

In a period of 16 months, there were 4 losses of F14's in LCDR Bates' squadron, VF-213 the Fighting Black Lions. Two of which were attributed to him.
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Reply #3 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 10:26am

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Quote:
I found an further post in the same thread
.. havenīt seen it before...

interesting read !!

(of course I cannot grant itīs not a fake)

Very interesting. This seems to confirm it's correct. http://www.cnn.com/US/9601/nashville_plane/01-30/index.html
Quote:
Second crash for pilot

Bates' squadron has had four F-14 accidents in the past 16 months, including one last April in which he was the pilot.

Bates apparently lost control of his F-14. He and the radar intercept officer managed to eject from the aircraft before it went down into the Pacific Ocean. The aircraft was never recovered.

A review of the accident investigation shows Naval investigators concluded the loss of the airplane was due to "pilot error" because Bates failed to take the required action to prevent his plane from going into an uncontrollable spin after an engine stall.

According to the internal document, the actions of Bates and his navigator were "indicative of a need for further training ... on ... recovery techniques."

After a review, Bates was found fully qualified for return to flight status, said Cmdr. Gregg Hartung, a Navy spokesman.
 

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Reply #4 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 11:29am

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Interesting source Hagar !!
When I read that article.. and the links in this article.. it looks
like there have been a lot of problems with the F14.
Was(Is) it a widowmaker like the Starfighter ?

Another question... what is a compressor/engine stall ?
 

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Reply #5 - Mar 23rd, 2006 at 2:48pm

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I believe its when the engine cant get enough air into it, or too much air into it and basically the engines stop.
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 25th, 2006 at 6:28pm

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yep we just talked about compressor stalls in aircraft systems II last week and it tends to have a various ways of answering the question...

for simple verification look here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressor_stall
 
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