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Nov 9th, 2005 at 5:58pm

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Well, Doug asked of this aircraft's fate earlier in the Canberra post...

...According to a post on PPrune, Canberra T4 WJ874/"VN799" arrived at Air Atlantique, Coventry today from RAF Marham, and may be operated on the show circuit from 2006! Cheesy
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 5:59pm

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Wow, thats pretty cool news. Hopefully see it at Cosford next year due to the proximity. Fingers crossed. Smiley
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 12:36am

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Reply #3 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 3:28am

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This is great news. Good old Air Antique. Well done Charlie. Cheesy
 

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Reply #4 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 4:55am

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That is great. I do hope we get to see it next year.
 

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Reply #5 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:01am

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I'm not sure but I thought Air Antique already had a Canberra. I know they have a Meteor but I haven't seen it yet.

PS. This makes two. Wink http://atlanticdhg.com/AACF/CanbA.htm
They also operate a Meteor NF.11, Venom FB.50 & Vampire T55. Also two Shackleton M.R.2, WL790 based at the Midland Air Museum, Texas in airworthy condition & WR963 at Coventry in ground running condition. Maybe that will fly again one day. It's becoming quite a collection. Cheesy http://atlanticdhg.com/AACF/Aircraft.htm
 

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Reply #6 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 11:52am
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Excellent news! Especially if it gets onto the airshow circuit Cheesy
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 2:01pm
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Lets hope this is going to happen, would love to see the canberra in flight,

i know this is about the canberra but Air Atlantique are currently trying to get the flying Shackleton brought back over to the Uk for the Airshow circuit..... not sure on the progress of this though, would be great to see the shackleton and the lancaster in formation.......

Nemo........
 
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Reply #8 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 4:58pm

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Lets hope this is going to happen, would love to see the canberra in flight,

i know this is about the canberra but Air Atlantique are currently trying to get the flying Shackleton brought back over to the Uk for the Airshow circuit..... not sure on the progress of this though, would be great to see the shackleton and the lancaster in formation.......

Nemo........


Unfortunately Air Atlantique have been trying for the best part of a decade to bring the Shack back over...
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:11pm
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Unfortunately Air Atlantique have been trying for the best part of a decade to bring the Shack back over...


I presume this is the Shackleton over in South Africa? It's a crying shame that the only airworthy Shackleton, Buccaneer AND Lightnings are all in South Africa. Yes, the Shack and the Bucc served with the SAAF, but not the Lightning! We need some airworthy aircraft on home turf!
 
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Reply #10 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:17pm

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The Lightning is all to do with the Afterburner rule in civilian hands.
 
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Reply #11 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:17pm

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According to the Air Antique website it's at the Midland Air Museum in Texas. Read my earlier reply.
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Reply #12 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:25pm

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The Lightning is all to do with the Afterburner rule in civilian hands.

Air Antique had an airworthy MiG 21 at one time. It flew into Coventry from Germany. Due to that afterburner ruling it's now stuck in a shed at the Midland Air Museum at Coventry Airport, not the one in Texas. I posted some shots of it some time ago.
 

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Reply #13 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:30pm
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What is the problem with afterburner in civilian hands then? Is there a more complex way of operating it, or just the fact that we don't want any forests going up in flames? Tongue

I would have thought you would be able to restrict/limit/disable/whatever the afterburner on an engine...
 
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Reply #14 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:34pm
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I think its banned from use in built up areas cause of the noise and also cause its possible to break the sound barrier...............
and also at some airports as it can melt the runway, i know this happened at Liverpool in the early 90's........
 
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Reply #15 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:36pm

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What is the problem with afterburner in civilian hands then? Is there a more complex way of operating it, or just the fact that we don't want any forests going up in flames? Tongue

I would have thought you would be able to restrict/limit/disable/whatever the afterburner on an engine...

I believe its partly to do with noise and speed, but also to do with how busy the sky is round the UK. But maybe Doug or Charlie can better answer.
 
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What is the problem with afterburner in civilian hands then? Is there a more complex way of operating it, or just the fact that we don't want any forests going up in flames? Tongue

I would have thought you would be able to restrict/limit/disable/whatever the afterburner on an engine...

As I understand it the CAA will not allow any privately owned aircraft with an afterburner to be flown in the UK. I can see their point as airspace is already crowded & afterburners are usually only fitted to fast military types. It could end up with privately owned warbirds (like the Lightning) with a better performance than those operated by the RAF zooming around all over the place. Wink
 

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According to the Air Antique website it's at the Midland Air Museum in Texas. Read my earlier reply.


Aye, it is indeed. It has been airworthy in the states since the late 90s, and is a former RAF AEW varient (tailwheel) unlike the SAAF MR.3 (tricycle undercarriage)...

To be fair, if anything more potent than what ever is allowed now was operated in civilian hands, the CAA would have to do a lot of regulation with regards to who flies them. Military pilots spend 2 or 3 years learning how to handle and operate fast jet aircraft on a regular basis, so it would be hard to justify allowing a non military pilot to fly a very high performance jet on what would probably be very rare occasions. Currency on complex types would be a major issue.

The airspace is also becoming more and more congested with regional airports appearing left, right and centre, with associated airspace... and the free airspace is quite often used my military aircraft (East Anglia, Lincolnshire, Vale of York, North Wales, SW England...)

 
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Reply #18 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:39pm
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Now wouldn't that be funny!!

Hey! would ya look at those slow Tornado guys Grin
 
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Reply #19 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:41pm

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Correct me if I am wrong but if a rouge Lightning went on a rampage around the skies, I dont think there is anything in the airforce which could keep up with it, I think Typhoon has a simmilar top speed, but is not as quick to it. Of course the Lightning would be out of fuel long before it got anywhere. But still. Smiley
 
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Reply #20 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:43pm
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They'd have to utilise the SR-71 sitting at Duxford Grin
 
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Reply #21 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:45pm

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Correct me if I am wrong but if a rouge Lightning went on a rampage around the skies


To be fair it wouldn't be able to do much anyway but run out of fuel...
 
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Reply #22 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:47pm
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To be fair it wouldn't be able to do much anyway but run out of fuel...


So to prevent a Lightning rampage, tell the pilot about his fuel problem, and remove the ejector seats!
 
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Reply #23 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:49pm

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To be fair, if anything more potent than what ever is allowed now was operated in civilian hands, the CAA would have to do a lot of regulation with regards to who flies them. Military pilots spend 2 or 3 years learning how to handle and operate fast jet aircraft on a regular basis, so it would be hard to justify allowing a non military pilot to fly a very high performance jet on what would probably be very rare occasions. Currency on complex types would be a major issue.

The airspace is also becoming more and more congested with regional airports appearing left, right and centre, with associated airspace... and the free airspace is quite often used my military aircraft (East Anglia, Lincolnshire, Vale of York, North Wales, SW England...)

Good points. Although it's disappointing I have to agree with the CAA. I also suspect the insurance would be way beyond most civil operators & indeed the air display organisers. That situation is bad enough already.
 

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Reply #24 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 5:55pm

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Cant you just take the afterburner section out? or disable it? The lightning doesn't exactly need it.
 
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Reply #25 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 6:06pm

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Well, it wouldn't be a LIghtning without afterburners. Roll Eyes More like a Damp Squib. Wink
 

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