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May 19th, 2005 at 2:57pm

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does anybody know whether a Sapphire ATI Radeon 9800 Atlantis 128 MB Card or Connect3D ATI Radeon 9250 256MB is better and please explain how because i dont know very much about graphics cards. Thanks.
 
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Reply #1 - May 19th, 2005 at 3:18pm

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Well I'm no expert on ATI cards (nVidia guy Wink)  but I would imagine the 256mb card would be the better because it has that bit extra memory to keep its stiff in. They're both for AGP right?
 
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Reply #2 - May 19th, 2005 at 3:26pm

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Yes both are agp
 
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Reply #3 - May 19th, 2005 at 4:03pm

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Well I took a look at the cards on OCUK and teh impression I got was that the 9250 only has 4 pixel pipelines and 4 vertex shaders (4*4). I think the 9800 8*4, so it would be a littrle faster. It is a lot more expensive, and if they are at all like nVidia's then there is a chance you could soft-mod a 9250 up to the 9800. I have no experience of them - you best bet is to look at the ORB down at www.futuremark.com and see how the benchmarks compare. I think the 9800 will probably come out on top in the end.

For what its worth a good nVidia 6800 will power you nicely as well - the 6800LE (My Card) will soft mod nicely to 12*4 or even 12*6, at the meagre  Wink cost of £140! Or better still get a GT or an Ultra (Both 6800's) and see the difference! depends on the old cash factor tho...  Sad

Hope that helps a little!  Wink
Dan

P.s. All my prices are from www.overclockers.co.uk - Great shop!
 
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Reply #4 - May 19th, 2005 at 5:18pm

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The 9800 is a lot faster than the 9250.  The memory speeds, memory bandwidth, clock speed etc are much greater.  Even with less memory the 9800 is much better.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20041004/vga_charts-09.html
This benchmark does not include the 9250 but it does show the 9800, however the 9250 is weaker than the 9200. simply because it is a more budget card, so it uses cheaper memory.

The 9200 none se is almost the same (but not quite) performance as a 9600se.
 
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Reply #5 - May 19th, 2005 at 8:23pm

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Not forgetting, anybody looking for a 9800 should really go for a Geforce 6600GT - a FAR better choice.  Wink
 
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Reply #6 - May 20th, 2005 at 3:01am

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Not forgetting, anybody looking for a 9800 should really go for a Geforce 6600GT - a FAR better choice.  Wink


Definetly.  The 6600GT is a much better card in a similar price range.
 
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Reply #7 - May 20th, 2005 at 1:25pm

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Definetly.  The 6600GT is a much better card in a similar price range.


Says Hi-D with a Radeon in the box...  Wink 6800's do rock a lot!
Dan  Grin
 
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Reply #8 - May 20th, 2005 at 1:40pm

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Says Hi-D with a Radeon in the box...  Wink 6800's do rock a lot!
Dan  Grin


They do indeed, but, I was on about the 6600GT!  ??? Roll Eyes Grin

I went for the 6800LE, "modified it " via Rivatuner and have a similar level of performance to a base 6800Nu card for 6600GT money.

I would define AGP cards thus,

High end - ATI X800XT

Mid Range - Geforce 6800GT

Cheapskate like me,  Geforce 6600GT / 6800LE / 6800Nu

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Reply #9 - May 20th, 2005 at 1:55pm

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Ah yes sorry mate... I havne theard much about the 6600's so its good to hear a little. BTW what did you get your LE up to? I managed to get 16 pipes 5 shaders out if it and my scores have gone to a new high of 19691 in Mark01 and 9304 in Mark03. Hows yours? Thats at 2250mhz on the AMD64 225 X 10.
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Reply #10 - May 20th, 2005 at 2:02pm

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Says Hi-D with a Radeon in the box...  Wink 6800's do rock a lot!
Dan  Grin

If i was to build a budget system right now i would put a 6600GT in it.  This generation of Radeons are not that great until you get into the X800 range especially the X850xt PE, but those are really expensive.  Wink
 
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Reply #11 - May 20th, 2005 at 2:59pm

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Ah yes sorry mate... I havne theard much about the 6600's so its good to hear a little. BTW what did you get your LE up to? I managed to get 16 pipes 5 shaders out if it and my scores have gone to a new high of 19691 in Mark01 and 9304 in Mark03. Hows yours? Thats at 2250mhz on the AMD64 225 X 10.
Dan   Wink


Hmm, I get 9184 under 3D Mark 03 which is very close to you me thinks, despite my slower 32Bit non-overclocked CPU! - And people say p4's are crap!  Wink

Yet, in 2001 I get around 15,000  Angry

I've updated my sig, the link to my project @ Futuremark now works!  Roll Eyes
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3849223

Look at this system below, its based on a 6800GT, an interesting comparison considering our cheaper cards and the heavily overclocked CPU & card in that machine....

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System Configuration


General Information
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP

DirectX Version 9.0c

Mobo Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer Inc.

Mobo Model P4P800-E

AGP Rates (Current/Available) 8x / 4x, 8x

CPU Intel Pentium 4 3300 MHz

FSB 220 MHz

Memory 1024 MB



Display Information
Graphics Chipset NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT

Driver Name NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT

Driver Version 6.1.7.7

Driver Status Non WHQL - Not FM Approved

Video Memory 256 MB

Core Clock 5 MHz

Memory Clock 0 MHz



Sound Information
Sound Adapter Driver Name SB Audigy Audio [DF00]

Sound Adapter Driver Version 5.12.1.383



Benchmark Settings
Program Version 3DMark03 Revision 4 Build 0

Resolution 1024x768@32 bit

Texture Filtering Optimal

Pixel Processing / Antialiasing None

Post Processing false

Vertex Shaders Optimal



Main Test Results
3DMark Score 11868 3DMarks

CPU Score 804 CPUMarks
My Friends PC, considering the cost difference, I'd say I'm doing well!  Smiley
 
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Reply #12 - May 20th, 2005 at 3:10pm

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Only trouble is that doesnt say what you unlocked the card to! I think the Mark01 score is down to the CPU a lot - mine didnt half go up when I OC'd! Theres a guy on OCUK running a 6800LE at 16*6 no trouble. Luck guy lol!
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Reply #13 - May 20th, 2005 at 3:18pm

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I'm assuming of course that both of these graphics cards are better than a 128mb nvidia fx5200.
 
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Reply #14 - May 20th, 2005 at 3:59pm

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I'm assuming of course that both of these graphics cards are better than a 128mb nvidia fx5200.


Yes, considerably! - they do cost 3 times the price of the FX5200, but offer alot more than 3x performance.

Run 3D Mark 2001 SE & 3D Mark 03 & compare results.

http://www.futuremark.com/download/
 
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