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Hello all and for those doing a Bf 109 pit (Read 5536 times)

Sep 9^th, 2004 at 1:32am

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Hello everyone. It has been about 4 or 5 years since I first found out about homebuilt cockpits. I have been planning to build a Messerschmitt 109 cockpit for about the same time. Now all I do is dream about it because I just do not know where to start construction. I have 5 sheets of ply out on the porch that we used to board up for the hurricane just shouting out my name!

Anyway, my main purpose of this post was to say hello and to see if anyone was doing an Me 109 pit. Reason being is that I have had a hard time finding technical plans of one. However, I remembered that I have 1:1 scale plans of the 109 and when I opened up a ww2 aircraft book that I have not touched in 4 years, out they fell. They are very detailed and I will be using them to build mine when I start. If ANYONE wants a copy I will be more than happy to fax or email them to you as long as you tell me if they will help or not. ANd to send me pics of your pit asap.

well that is about it. Hope you all are doing well and having a great time building and flying. FOr me, I will just keep dreaming about my 109 until I finally say "heck with it here I go." Only problem is that my wife will not allow me to have two pits in our home. SO I have to choose between my 109, and my Apollo Capsule(Not full scale) which is another pit I have always dreamed of being in. Not sure what I will do.

OK! so take care everyone!

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Reply #1 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 7:05am

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email them to me i am not goin to do it but i can try to help u make adjust ments to them .... so it will be easier on u.... what other plans do u have?

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Reply #2 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 7:16am

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Hi 109
Dreaming is the first step in building a simpit.
It's good to hear from another WW2 simpit builder as there aren 't too many of us out there.
You asked if there was anyone building a Me109 pit.
The only site I know of is on the link I will post here.
[url][/http://www.edbert.net/109pit.htm] ;

Now I think this simpit owner was thinking of giving the pit away as he was moving or something. Anyhow have a look at the following link to find the Forum thread where I read this.
[url][/http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=72330]

As far as starting to build you own well John Baymore has some great threads here and I will try and write something up for you as well. I posted a lot pics for building ww2 trim panels and throttle quadrant etc (P51B type)that you can check out.
cheers
chuck

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Reply #3 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 8:56am

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109dreamer,

Hi and welcome to both SimV and the "Homebuild Forum".

I'd suggest the Nike approach to this recurrent dream of yours.......

Just Do It.

I think an important first step is taking a pad of paper and writing down all your thoughts about what you want out of all this expense and effort. Itemize what the end product should "be" in a conceptual sense relative to your "experience" in using it. You have that started in your head...... now make it more concrete.

Then itemize what physical configuration the pit will have to emulate to realize the general "concept" that you came up with. This will dictate some of the potential expense and complexity. Will it be fully enclosed? Does it need 360 degree view thru a "canopy"? Will it need motion? Do you want to "strap in" into the seat? And so on.

Then list the technical stuff. What sim are you going to fly it in? What are the sim's capabilities that you can tap into? What exact flight controls would you need to emulate to fly the aircraft in the manner you desired? Will you need something like FSUIPC/WideFS/WideView? What display types will be necessary to realize an adequate exterior view? How are you going to handle sound? How many computers will you use to run it? How will they be configured?

Then there is always the evil "budget". Others may differ from me on this thought.... but I'd say that in the end, it will end up costing more than you think it should. It has a way of "growing" on you when you are not looking Wink

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. One idea leads you to another... and pretty soon the "little" $20 items become $100 and the hundreds become $1000.

Also... it is a l....o.....n......g term project. If you are not the patient type .... forget it. Unless you have recently won the lottery Wink

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. I've been working on my pit for a full year now.... and have not yet once "flown" in it. But it is very exciting even in the construction process. If the construction process itself is not fun to you.... it is likely that you will lose interest, I think.

So get out the paper and pencil and move your dream into reality. And please document what you are doing here. We'd love to see it.... and maybe those of us "addicts" who are also undertaking this kind of project can provide you with some assistance. And maybe you can provide us with some too.

I've posted a lot of documentation on my project on this forum. Go back and read the threads from the start....which includes stuff on ripping apart and rewiring an Axispad gamepad for control interface. See the early threads on the main support panels also for "getting started" ideas.

And of course the best thing to do is get a cup of coffee and read ALL the content here in this forum.... there are lots of ideas and resource links already here.

Oh..... thanks for the kind words there, chuckarc

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best,

....................john

PS: Can't help you with the "wife issue".

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Reply #4 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 9:04am

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Shadowe,

So when are you going to try getting something started? Wink

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best,

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Reply #5 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 1:03pm

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Hey guys thanks for the friendly responses. Chuckcrc I must be honest with ya, you are my hero brother. Looking at your P51 has given me so many ideas. Never even thought of making the trim wheel and other components out of wood.

The 109 should not be that difficult. It measures 2.9 feet wide and 4.4 feet high. The link you gave me, the one where the guy built a 109 shocked me. I have never came across anyone doing a 109 pit and his is outstanding.

Chuckcrc my one question for you, actually one of 10 million

is this. WHat did you cut your plywood with? I have wondered what the best tool would be. I have come to the conclusion that the best tool to use is the Rotozip. I have a jigsaw but I do not think it will be as accurate. Also, how did you get your fram so accurate? Did you do any sanding? The lines on your front and rear panels are extremly impressive. The 109 is not perfectly square like I thought at first. THere areslight curves in her frame Wink

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THe hardest part for me I feel will be the canopy. THe forward section of the canopy is rounded and I have been questioning what to constrct tis out of. I am thinking 2x2 for the actual frame. What did you use?

Thanks alot guys for the words of encouragement. Whether I build an APollo capsule or my 109 I will keep you guys updated!

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Reply #6 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 2:55pm

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John,

You mean a simpit right, well this winter definatley... i am outside to much right now all i do inside is sleep and eat Tongue

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but i am prolly goin to build a P-51D .... all though this 109 is a great idea i had never thought of doin it

~Shadowe

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Reply #7 - Sep 9^th, 2004 at 6:07pm

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Shadowe.

I am having a hard time scanning these plans. I sent them through my printer with no problem in order to get a newer clearer look. Cannot scan them for some odd reason.

If you can interpret these plans that would be great. I know how to for the most part however the 109 Panels have slight curves in them. The plans give the measurements of each panel frame, however I can only understand the heighth and width. Where the curves begin I am not sure how to read. I am but a lowly history teacher. Math was not my gig LOL

Anyway, let me know what you want me to do.l

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Reply #8 - Sep 10^th, 2004 at 10:32pm

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109Dreamer
thanks for those kind words. If you were going to use a similar construction technique like I used, I would suggest you study any books that cover wooden boat building first. To build a small wooden runabout or even a canoe will show you how to do a construction using rib and longeron building principles. This is what I did. When aircraft were made of wood this is how they were constructed using the same principles as wooden boat building.

However with my pit I made the "bulkheads" one piece, where as in boat building they are built up from a number of pieces. The boat building technique will make more efficient use of your wood, but is harder to do, as the joints must be very accurate.
I used 3 sheets of 2400mm x 1200mm plywood for the sim. I used a scale drawing to work out the cross sectional dimensions and then transferred these directly onto the plywood using a vertical mark on the wood as a datum line 90 deg to the base. I marked out the width of the base of the pit and then extended these two marks vertically and in parallel to the centre datum line previously marked. This gave me a rectangular box to work in. I marked out a kind of logarithmic scale on the centre datum line which would give me more measurement points on the side of the pit where the curve is greatest (at the top of the pit) with less measurements points towards the bottom of the pit where the curve is almost a straight line.
Using a right angle builders square I extended the measurement points from the centre datum to the other two vertical lines. I then used my scale drawing and marked out from the centre datum line along the new horizontal lines to the left and right and made a mark. Continue this process to the base and you then have a curve marked on your wood.

I cut this shape out with a Jigsaw and it was hard going to keep a steady line (wouldn;t it be nice to have a CNC cutting platform with laser!!). I used 18mm plywood so you would need a high quality jigsaw, I burnt my old unit out doing this simpit. This gave me my first template, which I sanded smooth and used to mark out all the others.
When I had all of them cut I aligned them all and then bolted them together. This allowed me to sand them down together uniformly.

Now after having done all of the above I'm not sure if I would build another simpit using the above technique because it made framing the canopy more difficult. Of course this is something you learn after doing it the "hard way" !

109dreamer is your pit going to be a fixed type or a bit multi-purpose like mine, with the front being removed to spin the monitor around at a desk etc.
The reason I ask this is because it would have an effect on the alternative method I would describe for pit building. If I were to build another pit, (not bloody likely says the wife! although it would get me out of the house !!) I would make up the wooden bulkheads as described above but they would only be from the bottom line of the canopy frame upwards. This would make a much easier template and formers to use when you are bending up the aluminum for the canopy framework. A Me109 canopy would be the easiest of the ww2 planes to do, as it is mostly straight lines. The biggest cost for the canopy was the 3mm Lexan Plexiglas. In hindsight I'm not sure if the canopy needs to be see through. You could use a 3mm plastic and paint it a light colour for effect-- not sure !

Anyhow hope this is of some help-- feel free to keep asking questions

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Reply #9 - Sep 11^th, 2004 at 2:05am

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Hey chuckcrc thank you for the reply. I need to try and scan these plans I have because I am having a really difficult time interpreting them. The cuves of the aft bulkhead and vital. These plans give exact measurements, however I do not really understand how to read them. I tried drawing it out on paper using a 1/5 scale version. Still do not know where to begin the curviness of the bulkhead. Any ideas? You have a fax?

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Reply #10 - Sep 11^th, 2004 at 2:26am

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Forgot to answer your question Chuckcrc. My pit will be completely fixed. Using the plans of the 109 the measurements are as follows"

THe fusalage from the very front of the canopy touching the foreward bulkhead to the read "canopy bulkhead: is aprox 5.5 feet in length.

The width of the frame is aprox 2.10 feet.

Now, if you look at the 109 at an angle, you will notice that the canopy drops down a bit. From the bottom of the cockpit to the square portion of the canopy is aprox 2.3 feet.

The height of the forward bulkhead where the front part of the canopy is aprx 3.9 feet not including the canopy itself.

The height of the next section which would be the famous armored plate right behind the pilots head it 4.6 feet including the canopy.

Dangit, I need to get this darn thing scanned so I can send to you and shodowe.

ANyway, the bulkheads, there are three in all in the cockpit, have ofcourse curves. It is hard for me to know what arc each curve is and where to start. but these plans tell you. I just do not know how to figure it out.

I am going to keep trying to scan.

109

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Reply #11 - Sep 11^th, 2004 at 3:32am

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Ok got my scanner to work! Shadoew send me your email address again. CHuckcrc let me know if you want this. COuld use all the help I can get.

109

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Reply #12 - Sep 17^th, 2004 at 1:11pm

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Hello everybody!!!!!!!!!!! The more I explore the forums of "homebuilt cockpits", the more I ask myself what have I done till now!!!!!

Thanks everybody for the entusiahsm and a special thank for Chuckcrc for the precious technics illustrated; for years I thought I was alone with my ideas and sketches. I manged to design and build a rudder pedals assy in alluminium alloy, wwII style, nothing to do with a perfect reproduction of a particular warbird pedals, but similar to the Hurricane one. If someone is interested I will send a picture, the part list with required tools and all the dimensions.
While thinking about my cockpit I also made a fabric (mediterranean theatre like) pilot helmet. Again if someone interested, let me know, I can send the templates. Next target is to reproduce it with leather, but I know that will be more difficult for the sewings.

Now I was designing a cockpit that would help me maximize the realism, but without drawings or scale references.....109, it'd would be very helpful if you can mail me a copy of your 1:1 drawings.

I was amazed by the spitfire: it has always been my best one. But the bubble canopy is something I have not been able to solve. Than I thought about the ME-109, more easy, as you said. And then I found this forum and decided to register and write.

Bye everybody!!!!!

Andrew.

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Reply #13 - Sep 29^th, 2004 at 4:59pm

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Hallo everybody! After some hard work I managed to get back. How are you doing?

I've got the pictures of my rudder pedals experimental prototype, how can I attach a couple here?

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Reply #14 - Oct 18^th, 2004 at 1:36am

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Wow I'm glad I found this forum!

I also am building ......errrr I should say starting to build a bf 109 simpit. It will be the g-6 version I think. Most of the details are worked out in my head except for a few details. I plan on an all metal (mostly aluminum I hope) and I will try to stay away from wood if at all possible with the exception of the instument panel. There will be a total of 9 monitors to provide a view from every window in the canopy.

The only thing really different will be a truly full motion platform. There will be a full unlimited 360 roll rotation and pitch rotation. I hope to be able to do this with some high torque low speed air motors. All levers and quages inside the simpit will be functional.

I hope that I can get some ideas from this forum as I work on getting this up and running. I will need all the help I can get.

I am still looking for prints or drawings of the cockpit. 109dreamer, can you help me out here?

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Reply #15 - Oct 18^th, 2004 at 6:49am

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Yeah I can help you out...I have some plans, and pictures of every 109 gauge. Let me know what ya need. There will ofcourse be a small fee of keeping us all updated on your project though

let me know

109

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Reply #16 - Oct 18^th, 2004 at 10:27am

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I'm just now getting ready to weld up the frames. I just need to see what the dimensions should be. I had originally planned on just coming up with my own dimensions since I had assumed that all the prints were long gone.

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Reply #17 - Oct 31^st, 2004 at 8:00am

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Hello Everybody!

i'm an italian guy and i'm dreaming like 109dreamer to build a Me-109 Pit.
I've got a huge set of informations about ME109 including web links, photos, short clips (including aircraft privately owned and under restoration), plans and so on.
I contacted Edbert by e-mail and he sent me some brand new photos of his marvelous pit.
Now i'm here to get helped and to give help in order to fly FS2004 Il2 and WWIIonline inside a realistic pit!.
I can share all the stuff i collected in these years and i would like to receive the scans plans if possible.
Thank in advance.
Sorry for my poor english!

Silvano Peroni
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Reply #18 - Oct 31^st, 2004 at 8:15am

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Silvano,

Hi and welcome to SimV and the "homebuild Cockpits" forum.

I'm sure that you'll find some like minds here that can help you out...and can benefit from your exieriences.

Welcome aboard.

best,

................john

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Reply #19 - Nov 4^th, 2004 at 6:12am

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Hi,

I have built my own Bf109 Cockpit by using some parts from Simkits and GoFlight. Grin

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I'am sorry I have no Homepage to present some pictures but you can find two pics at
http://www.flightsim.no/cockpit/forum/viewtopic.php?t=613&sid=eebcf587dbde978f98...

Have a nice flying!

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Reply #20 - Nov 4^th, 2004 at 7:25pm

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Oliver, that is the most beautiful cockpit I have ever seen...I bow down before you man! Thanks for sharing!!!!

For the people that sent me emails requesting diagrams, I should have them by this weekend hopefully!

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Reply #21 - Nov 7^th, 2004 at 3:42am

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As dumb as this sounds, its advisable to build a model pit first.
Often you will be able to make more effeicent use of your materials.
By scale I mean 1:48 kind of thing.
Small but not too-I-need-to-train-a-midget-to-make-it kind of thing.

A.

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Reply #22 - Nov 7^th, 2004 at 3:19pm

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Hello Oliver,
great work!
I would like to ask you if the scenario of FS in the picture is Garda Lake (where i live!) because it's very similar.
This afternoon i was in Munich at Dutsche Museum where for the first time i saw a real Me-109 (E-3)!
I got some videos ad 2 or 3 pictures.
Last question:
Do you have a decent me-109 aircraft for FS2004?
Thanks in advance.

Silvano

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Reply #23 - Nov 8^th, 2004 at 3:53pm

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Hi Silvano,

at the following france page you can find a lot of Bf109 (and the Spitfire too) aircraft files for the FS2004.

http://myzone59.ath.cx/accueil.php3

You are right the scenery which ist shown on the screen is located in swizerland but it isn't the Gardasee it is the Brienzersee near Interlaken.

Hope I could help you Grin

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Reply #24 - Nov 8^th, 2004 at 7:04pm

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I can't believe this...I've been searching the net for over a year for me 109 dimensions in order to build a simpit and had about given up. On a lark i did a search tonight and whamo!
I would donate blood for a drawing with dimensions on it.
I have a number of detailed scale drawings but when you download from the net the lines on the scale end up way too thick to be of any use.
Any help at all would be greatly appreciated

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Reply #25 - Nov 9^th, 2004 at 12:40am

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Same with me, its damn impossible, and they give u this squiggle line crap...I'd be amazingly greatful for some pitty plans....

A.

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Reply #26 - Nov 9^th, 2004 at 7:16am

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To Andrew,

no drawing but real hardware! You can find details to:
"The Australian War Memorial has recently moved the Bf 109 G-6 WNr 163824 from the Treloar Restoration Centre into the ANZAC Hall in the main Memorial building. This aircraft is unique in that it still retains its original wartime paint in tact. It is forming part of an Airwar over Europe display. "

at: http://www.users.on.net/~mjtm/IL-2/index.html#wnr163824

Wink

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Oliver

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Reply #27 - Nov 9^th, 2004 at 7:26am

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Hi,

two links were you can find your drawing. Cheesy

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http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/post-27242.html

http://www.aviacherteg.narod.ru/avia/Drawings/WWII/WWII_LWF/Bf-109/Bf-109G_ATL/1...

Oliver

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Reply #28 - Nov 13^th, 2004 at 1:44am

Flt.Lt.Andrew Ex Member

Thanks guys!
As soon as construction starts I'll get some pictures posted.
Thanks Ts!

A.

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Reply #29 - Nov 13^th, 2004 at 1:49am

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PERFECT!
YOU GUYS!
THANKYOU!
THOSE DRAWINGS!
SWEET!
INCOMPLETE!
SENTENCES!
PUNCTUATED!
WITH A ! MARK!!

A.

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Reply #30 - Nov 17^th, 2004 at 11:04am

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Hi!

My homepage is online! Cheesy

Cheesy

http://taffe.de/index.html

I am sorry it is in german till now Embarrassed

Embarrassed

but I will translate it next time.
There are a lot of pictures which say more than words Wink

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If you will have some questions please contact me by email.

Oliver

« Last Edit: Aug 21^st, 2005 at 4:34pm by Oliver »

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Reply #31 - Nov 21^st, 2004 at 4:22am

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You did a Great Job Oliver!
Now i'm starting to study German in order to better understand everything!.

Just a question.
It seems that the cockpit is a little wider than the original one.
Isn'it?

Best regards

Silvann

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Reply #32 - Nov 21^st, 2004 at 10:14am

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Oliver,

Really nice looking work you have going there....and a nice website too. Wish I could remember more of my 4 years of high school Deutsch. Wink

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best,

...................john

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Reply #33 - Nov 24^th, 2004 at 4:40am

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To Silvann:

it is! Grin

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Reply #34 - Jul 27^th, 2005 at 5:07pm

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I am back

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Check out these:
http://taffe.de/53958996b4124d103/index.html

There you will find some updated pictures of my pit Cheesy

Cheesy

And when I find time - I promise - I will translate it.

Greeting form good old Germany

Oliver

« Last Edit: Aug 21^st, 2005 at 4:34pm by Oliver »

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Reply #35 - Aug 9^th, 2005 at 6:32pm

Oliver Offline
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Grin

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I put some informations to my homepage (in english as well). About software interfaces to different flight simulators 8)

Here:
http://taffe.de/53958996b41421a0f/53958996b414dbc41/index.htmll

And here a link to some videos - flight simulators in action Grin

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http://taffe.de/53958996b41421a0f/53958996b414dbc41/53958996b80d53041/index.html

Greetings
Oliver

« Last Edit: Aug 21^st, 2005 at 4:35pm by Oliver »

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Reply #36 - Aug 14^th, 2005 at 11:01am

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Wow looks great Shocked

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How did you made your visor?? (or is it a original one Wink

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I was in the planning stage for an B-25, but I switched to the Fw-190 Grin

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. (dont have enough room for a bomber)
Did you knew that mig-15 flight sticks are the same as a me109 fw190 an me262, the Russians just copied it after the war.
Will post some drawings I made soon.
Greets,
Jaap

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Reply #37 - Aug 14^th, 2005 at 12:56pm

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Hi Jaap,

here you can buy the visor, I brought mine there too.
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=59213&item=6538523501]

This visor is form russia and was build in 1980 and is unuesed and will shipped in a orginal box with spare parts Cheesy

Cheesy

The fligth stick of the mig 15 was a copy of the german "Knüppelgriff (KG)".

This week I have got a tip about a replica of a flight stick:
http://members.tripod.com/~SOARR/parts.htm

Greetings

Oliver

2x Asus mobo, AMD 2.6M@2200MHz, 400 FSB, 2x 1 gig DDR RAM, 4x agp, 2x Radeon 9800Pro 256M, 2x80 gig HD's, Win XP home, 1024x768 32 bit, Simkit, Goflight modules and the rest selfmade Wink

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Reply #38 - Aug 14^th, 2005 at 2:35pm

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Hi Oliver,
Thanks for the ebay link, I now am the proud owner of a Russion visor Grin

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Ah I saw that second link, I maybe have another way of getting one, will let you know Wink

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(A guy in Polen)
I speak some German, but I couldnt find the German word for "flightstick" Roll Eyes

Roll Eyes

thanks for the info

A Austrian friend of mine showed me this site of a Fw-190 sim:http://www.finestart.de/D9/d9-mainframe.htm
The guy has a email adress, but he doesnt respond on the mails with a few questions I send him(In English and German).
Greets,
Jaap

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Reply #39 - Aug 16^th, 2005 at 2:44am

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Hi Jaap,

I know Bazi - I phoned once with him. Maybe he is busy. But if you can read a little german try it here: 8)
http://www.sturmovik.de/board/index.php?topic=11393.0

And congratulation to your visor Grin

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Oliver

2x Asus mobo, AMD 2.6M@2200MHz, 400 FSB, 2x 1 gig DDR RAM, 4x agp, 2x Radeon 9800Pro 256M, 2x80 gig HD's, Win XP home, 1024x768 32 bit, Simkit, Goflight modules and the rest selfmade Wink

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Reply #40 - Aug 16^th, 2005 at 2:34pm

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Hello Oliver,
Thanks for the link. The simmersworld is not that big;). Hopefully he's busy yeah. Maybe the mail is send to an unused email adress(I used the one on his site???).
Reading German is not a big problem(writing is a lot harder for me:D).
Will read the link, maybe my questions are answered there. Thanks for all the help, all the information on your site is verry helpfull to Grin

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Greets,
Jaap
(will post some drawings soon)

« Last Edit: Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 2:45pm by J.A.K. »

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Reply #41 - Aug 21^st, 2005 at 4:42pm

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8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)

Maybe somebody ??? whats to know how to build some pedals?

http://taffe.de/images/bf109simulator0033cols2.jpg

http://taffe.de/53958996b41421a0f/53958996b414daf3f/53958996b80caf30d/index.html

or how to make a copy of a original instrument?

http://taffe.de/images/molding004a.jpg

http://taffe.de/53958996b41421a0f/53958996b414dee43/index.html

Greetings Grin

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Oliver

« Last Edit: Aug 21^st, 2005 at 5:58pm by JBaymore »

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Reply #42 - Aug 23^rd, 2005 at 2:46pm

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Sweet Oliver Shocked

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Greets,
Jaap

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Reply #43 - Sep 3^rd, 2005 at 2:05pm

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Maybe this ebay auction might be usefull:
http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6556515085&rd=1&sspagename=STR...
I got mine yesterday, it looks really nice Cheesy

Cheesy

Greets,
Jaap

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Reply #44 - Mar 29^th, 2006 at 12:58pm

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yes, I too am currently building a ww2 pit, more of a generic model though, since I have many favorites. I will post some pics once I figure out the rules of this forum (just found it today).

I've found a wealth of info and great pictures, but no hard numbers for dimensions. Everything I've made so far I've just used eyeball dimensions.

what I need are just a few basic numbers - eg. height of front of seat to floorboard, width of cockpit at conopyrail - at seat height, distance from front of seat to instrument panel, etc. can anyone help (for any WW2 cockpit)?

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Reply #45 - Mar 29^th, 2006 at 1:45pm

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ok, I promised a pic and here it is

still a work in progress. On a budget, and just want to get something working. As I get more time and money I plan on upgrading several components.

still, any real cockpit dimensions are appreciated.

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Reply #46 - May 7^th, 2006 at 12:44pm

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Hello everybody!

Sometimes I manage to get back and give a look searching for new ideas.

Just share mine (I'd be proud to show some pic of my "Silver Can"), is there anyone that can help me attach pictures and explain me how to do it?

Thanks!!!!
A.

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Reply #47 - May 7^th, 2006 at 1:11pm

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Andrew17,

In a nutshell,...........

1.) Upload your images.

Look at the thin blue strip banner with yellow and white type at the top of the forum page. It has an "Upload Images" hotlink. Or go here directly:

http://www.simviation.com/yabbupload.html

The URL I've pasted here above is the place to do it but FIRST
read all of the information available on the uploads page (including links) as to what is allowed and what is not. Short form...... pix can be no more than 800 wide, filesize can be no nore than 100k, and a single thread can have no more than 500 K of images. And no linked images from other sites.

2.) When you are successful in uploading here on SimV, there will be a listing given to you of your images in the format to paste into a forum or PM message. Select all of them (including the other text.....you'll delete it later) and right click and hit "copy".

3.) Go into the Homebuild Cockpits Forum and create a new message. Give it a thread title. In the body of the message, paste the stuff you just copied. Edit out the stuff that is not contained between the various [URL] [/URL] tags.

4.) Edit in the various sections of text you want to have there with the pix.

5.) Preview the message.

6.) Edit the message as needed.

7.) Save the message to the board.

Hope that is enough info.

best,

.....................john

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Reply #48 - Jun 19^th, 2006 at 7:52am

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Andrew17,

I changed the picture to a link. It is oversized at 1024 wide. See my post above your image for info on posting images.

Please edite the image and re-upload it.

Nice work though.

.....................john

http://www.simviation.com/yabbuploads/Silvercan2.jpg

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Reply #49 - Jun 19^th, 2006 at 8:46am

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I'm so sorry, John; thank You again for Your support.

Here's another one, smaller.

Available for everyone to tell all details needed.

Bye!
A.

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Reply #50 - Jun 19^th, 2006 at 12:14pm

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Andrew,

Hey..... thanks for the fast edit job.

That looks really nice. Are you planning a projection system into the room?

best,

..................john

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Reply #51 - Jun 19^th, 2006 at 4:43pm

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Hello John, and everyone;

it seems that The Real Boss (Wife) allowed me a while, and, therefore, lets get the most out of it.

Thank You john for appreciating my pit trial, it's only a beginning, I've seen better things on the web. But I already have ideas to improve it.

A little description.

1) It's a WWII style cockpit, nothing to pretend to be a reproduction of a warbird. That's the name "Silver Can" comes from, even if, I admit, I took inspiration from various aircrafts of that era. Then, pencil and paper at hand, I tried Chuckcrc method, as He explained to 109Dreamer to realise it. Nothing more than some wood, a jigsaw, screws and paint. That's for the basic structure.
2) Aluminium alloy skin. Nothing more than buying some Al sheets and try to repoduce ancient plane skins, using strap rivets to fasten it to "L" shape rods screwed to the wooden struture,
3) For outside the windshield I bought a Fresnel lens (not terribly expensive: almost 30$). As soon as it chassis is ready, I'll take a picture of the pit with it and attach it here.
4) Inner monitor is for pneumatic intruments (speed, climb/pitch speed, etc.)

Seems I 've to go.......

Please, everyone, feel free to ask, even if not suddenly, I'd only be glad to share info 'bout what I'm doing.

Bye!!!!!!!!!
A,

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Reply #52 - Jun 25^th, 2006 at 1:51pm

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Just a link that hopefully can be useful for Bubba3884:

http://www.checksix-forums.com/showthread.php?t=121928&page=1&pp=10

Bye!
A.

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