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May 30th, 2004 at 4:11am

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PeteTLUK mentioned an airworthy Fairey Gannet in an earlier thread. Here's some shots I took of the static example at the Midland Air Museum, Coventry Airport a few weeks ago. It's nice to see these aircraft being preserved by a dedicated group of volunteers but I doubt that any will ever fly again. It was a rotten day when I took these photos. I had a job stopping the rain getting on the camera lens.

This is the Fairey Gannet.
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More interesting types.
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This is the tiny Boulton-Paul P.111A delta research aircraft taken from under the wing of the Vulcan.
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The late "Ben" Gunn, airport manager at Shoreham for many years, was chief test pilot for Bouton-Paul in the 1950s & would have flown this aircraft. He once held the altitude record for a live ejection when the similar P.120 broke up round him at around Mach 1. Back injuries caused by the ejection finished his career as a jet test pilot.

The Vulcan from the road outside the museum. I couldn't get it all in from the other side.
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This museum is well worth a visit if you're in the area.
 

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Reply #1 - May 30th, 2004 at 4:18am

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Lovely photos Doug, bad luck with the weather though Sad

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Reply #2 - May 30th, 2004 at 5:54am

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Seeing that I am the horribly uninformed Yank, and could only recognize, the Vulcan, the Gannet and the two century series aircraft, I will take your word as to how interesting the rest are, but the shots are great, especially in poor weather.  Good job and many thanks.

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Reply #3 - May 30th, 2004 at 6:04am

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Great shots as always Doug:) Even moreso working with bad weather.
 
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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2004 at 6:53am

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Thanks for the comments chaps. Not ideal conditions but I thought you might find them interesting.

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Seeing that I am the horribly uninformed Yank, and could only recognize, the Vulcan, the Gannet and the two century series aircraft, I will take your word as to how interesting the rest are, but the shots are great, especially in poor weather.  Good job and many thanks.

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I should have mentioned what they are. #4 is the long-nosed Meteor NF.14. This variant of the Gloster Meteor was manufactured by Armstrong Whitworth at Coventry.
#5 is the beautiful little Hawker Sea Hawk FGA.6 with its younger sister the Hunter F.6A beyond it. #6 is the Hawker Hunter F.51 painted in Black Arrows markings.
#7 is the McDonnell F-101B Voodoo & #8 the North American F-100D Super Sabre.
 

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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2004 at 7:16am

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Hagar:

Thanks, the dumb Yank
 

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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2004 at 7:26am

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Not so dumb Fido. I have the advantage of being familiar with the classic jets longer than I care to remember. These were all in regular service in my younger days. Shocked
I also have a good reference source for specific details. Wink 8)
http://www.paulnann.com/location/Coventry.htm

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Reply #7 - May 30th, 2004 at 8:38am

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Hagar:
Checked out the link, any chance there is more of the Shackleton to be restored any time soon ???

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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2004 at 9:03am

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Checked out the link, any chance there is more of the Shackleton to be restored any time soon ???

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Sadly no Fido. I suspect the rest of it went to the scrapyard long ago. Not too many places would have the room to store an aircraft of this size, let alone restore it to airworthy condition. The only company in this country involved with this sort of thing is Air Atlantique, again based at Coventry. http://www.airatlantique.co.uk/

"Air Antique" owns & displays an airworthy Canberra & a Meteor NF.11 among others. It's a pity they weren't in business when more of these rare types were up for grabs.

PS. I just noticed the Air Atlantique airworthy Shackleton is currently in the US. http://www.airatlantique.co.uk/page17.html
It looks like an MR.3.
 

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Reply #9 - May 30th, 2004 at 9:25am

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Hagar:
thanks for the links, the Shackleton is quite a looker, and I noticed they have not one, but two Dragon Rapides, what a sight that must be.

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Reply #10 - May 30th, 2004 at 9:58am

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The Shackleton was of course a direct descendant of the legendary Avro Lancaster. I believe it used some components from the Lincoln & was the last in the line of the Avro piston-engined types.

The Air Atlantique Dragon Rapides are regular visitors to the RAFA display at Shoreham. I'll try to get some shots at this year's event. For an exquisite example of an even rarer DH type check out my earlier posts from the G-VFWE fly-in at Abingdon. http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=photos;action=messageindex...
 

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Reply #11 - May 30th, 2004 at 12:06pm

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Did I spot a Sea Vixen in the background of your fine shots Doug ?.....a worthy example of " Classic " in my mind ...............Maybe a Percival Prentice too, behind the " Hun " ?
Rain or not, any day is a good day to shoot old birds sitting still, so the rest of us get to see them ........Thanks for the look  Wink

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Did I spot a Sea Vixen in the background of your fine shots Doug ?.....a worthy example of " Classic " in my mind ...............Maybe a Percival Prentice too, behind the " Hun " ?

Thanks Ken. There is a Sea Vixen & Prentice. You can see better shots of all these aircraft from my earlier link. It wasn't raining when I first arrived & a volunteer was working on the Sea Vixen which is why I didn't take a shot of it. He kindly showed me an ex-DDR MiG 21 tucked away in a hangar in its original markings. This is in better condition than many of the other exhibits. It was flown into Coventry with the intention of joining the display circuit. Unfortunately, privately owned jet fighters with afterburners are not allowed to fly in this country. It's only brought out in the summer months.
 

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Reply #13 - May 30th, 2004 at 7:40pm
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Very Very Nice Doug Smiley

Thanks for posting them!

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Reply #14 - Jun 1st, 2004 at 8:50am

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I remember seeing a shackleton flying when I was young. What a beauty it was. The coventry shackleton still does engine runs. Those load of griffon engines really make a noise. My friend was way accross the field with jets flying around and he could still hear it lol. Me however my ears were almost numb heh.

Lovely pics Doug although I would love to see the rest of that Vix in the background. Oh yeah and do you happen to know what engine powers the gannet? the intake on the front seems remeniscent of the intakes on shackleton griffon's Smiley
 
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Oh yeah and do you happen to know what engine powers the gannet? the intake on the front seems remeniscent of the intakes on shackleton griffon's Smiley

The Gannet is a turboprop powered by the Armstrong Siddeley "Double Mamba" gas turbine. Basically 2 single Mambas joined together. Each engine drove one prop & the Gannet could cruise on one engine. I believe it was also geared to drive both props if one engine failed. They have one of each on display in the museum. I was surprised how small they are. Pity I didn't take shots.

Here's a photo of the single Mamba. http://www.dundee.ac.uk/museum/MECHENG/3005.htm
 

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Phew you would not tell that was a prop engine. Thanks for the info 8)
 
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Reply #17 - Jun 2nd, 2004 at 4:51pm

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You're welcome. This should give you a better idea of the layout. The original ASMD.1 Double Mamba as fitted to the Gannet A.S.1, the first production model.

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I found this article interesting. http://www.thunder-and-lightnings.co.uk/gannet/history.html

 

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Phew you would not tell that was a prop engine. Thanks for the info 8)



The main difference between a turboprop engine and a jet engine is what you hang in front (or behind) .... If you hang a prop, it's a turboprop, if not, it's a jet.

If you have a prop with, say 48 blades, enclosed in a shroud, it's  a high by-pass turbofan (okay so it's a simplistic description, but, it still fits).
 

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If you have a prop with, say 48 blades, enclosed in a shroud, it's  a high by-pass turbofan (okay so it's a simplistic description, but, it still fits).

What do you make of this then? Is it a jet or is it a prop?
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The Dowty-Rotol Islander G-FANS. Developed by Miles (R & D) & Dowty-Rotol the fans were powered by 2 standard piston engines. First flown by Sqn Leader Neville Duke from Shoreham on 10th June 1977. According to my father-in-law who worked on the project they had many vibration problems with the close-cowled fans & it was not a success. The idea was later used on the Airship Industries blimps.


That is, of course, a proper piston engined experiment.
 

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That is, of course, a proper piston engined experiment.

I understand it was termed a "ducted propulsor". You live & learn. Roll Eyes
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Too bad about the rain, the pics turned out nice though. And speaking of Gannets and Shackletons are there any of either avialable for FS?
 

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[quote author=Hagar link=board=photos;num=1085890291;start=15#19 date=06/02/04 at 18:04:59]
What do you make of this then? Is it a jet or is it a prop?

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I see this as no different from the ducted fans which many modelers use to power their model "jets" .........its still a much cheaper alternative to the pure " Turbine " which has come on scene in the past 10 yrs now.......
 

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