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Question: What would you like to see in Fs2006
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Better water effects    
  23 (12.4%)
More aircraft selections    
  25 (13.5%)
Improved Air Force Bases    
  19 (10.3%)
More flight plans with military aircraft    
  21 (11.4%)
Better flight school training    
  14 (7.6%)
Better airport textures    
  25 (13.5%)
Add ATC and parking to all small airports    
  20 (10.8%)
Improved scenery    
  38 (20.5%)




Total votes: 185

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Apr 26th, 2004 at 8:57pm

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What else would you like to see in future flight sim games?
 
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Reply #1 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 9:22pm

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Polls don't work, but I checked nearly every box. 

I'm not so sure it is such a wise poll, I mean, who wouldn't want improvements? ???
 
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Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 9:28pm

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i think adding the "camera shake" effect inside the cockpit when u land or when the weather is bad would really add to the realism...i just noticed that the other day...u can only tell u have landed by the sound of the wheels touching down...
 
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Reply #3 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 9:49pm

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Yea,for some reason poll daznt work... Undecided

Improved scenery definitly...more exact scenery for all world,dynamic scenery for all airports-moving vehicles,buses,people,all must be animated,including
scenery out of airports-animals, birds,road traffic,trains,ships-shortly-MORE LIFE TO SCENERY!!! Sad
 

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Reply #4 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 9:53pm

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Sterk, I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to lose FPS just because of some moving buses and people...

This question has been brought up several times, and my answer is still the same:Better aircrafts  Smiley
 
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Reply #5 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 10:03pm

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I agree with you Nexus! More aircraft! I wonder why microsoft only uses Boeing aircraft; they should put in Airbus! I wouldn't mind if Microsoft added real-life airlines. It doesn't need to be every airline, just the popular ones like United, British, Qantas, ect. I think it would be neat too if the weather included more dramatic thunderstorms that includes tornadoes and such  Grin
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Reply #6 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 10:44pm
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Now that microsoft has made ACOF, which travels through the history of flight, I think it should be:

FLIGHT SIMULATOR 2006: THE FUTURE OF FLIGHT

Basically, it should include(as new planes) the BWB, 7E7, Embraer 170, A380, and any other planes that are either brand new or in the works.

PLEASE reply if you agree, I really think this is what it should be.  HINT HINT to microsoft.
 
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Reply #7 - Apr 26th, 2004 at 11:32pm

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I agree with all above, and would like to add vectorial nozzles capabilities, for true VTOL operations!
 

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Reply #8 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 12:31am

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I wouldn't mind if Microsoft added real-life airlines.


I don't think that would be feasible as it would push the price of the sim up by quite a bit. It's easier and more practical for third-party texturers to provide the textures as add-ons.

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Reply #9 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 5:29am

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A practice range for Military aircraft where guns and bombs would work..
 
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Reply #10 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 11:01am

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Two words:  Inflight Emergencies.
 

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Reply #11 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 11:16am

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Two words:  Inflight Emergencies.


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Reply #12 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 11:29am

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One of the must-haves in FS10 should be a built-in Active Camera-style feature like 14bis recommended. Also, some more detailed aircraft, how about a 7E7 with an FMC?
 
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Reply #13 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 8:09pm

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I would really like to see military aircraft with guns and bombs, and missions, and I WOULD LOVE to see aerial refueling capabilities with aircraft like the KC 135, and KC 10. Even though this isnt combat flight simulator, i think Microsoft should include military capabilities for FS 10.

AND Microsoft should put some classic jet aircraft like the Boeing 707 and the Douglas DC8.

I think either some or all should be available for this in the near future, (a downloadable patch would be the best) Either way I want these things in FS.
 

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Reply #14 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 8:21pm

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yeah although i agree on the stuff above the scenery and the aircraft can be created so it aint much of a problem its the stuffthat is not coded into the sim like VTOL and inflight emergencies and camera shaking when landing etc. they need to work on these for fs10 and also a few other thigns would be good like

moving airport traffic...ramps that close inwards towards the door and fuel trucks, stairs etc that come to your aircraft when landed would be cool. also tows and tugs to push u back in certain aircraft

we are suggesting a lot of stuff here that isnt feasible in fs9..if microsoft could only provde the workings to create these thigns would be better...then 3rd party utilities aircraft , effects etc would come along

on the military side i think there should be an entirely new sim or at least an addon for the fs10 which uses MODERN combat scnerarios..scenery from fs10 will be sufficient and air to air combat a must..effect missiles etc carriers that work and move amongst other stuff.




 

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Reply #15 - Apr 27th, 2004 at 11:05pm

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Two words:  Inflight Emergencies.


In flight emergencies with appropriate responses from ATC
 
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Reply #16 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 7:01am

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You'll lose FPS anyway,or you want FS2006 stay on the same graphic level as FS2004?

Dont forget that technology develops so fast that by release of FS 2006 we'll make fun of somebody who has
so poor graphic card like GeForce FX 5950,and still uses processors below 5 Ghz... Grin Grin Grin
 

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Reply #17 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 7:25am

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I'd like to see in new FS version some kind of pilot career
managment,when you,say,have to start from beginning
private Cessna pilot in small company,or start from the level that depends on  your flight exams results.
Then to be promoted,getting flight assigments,generated by sim,depends on airline company you choose to work for... 8)
 

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Reply #18 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 11:59am

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Although I think that would be a great idea Sterk, I don't think M$ will do it because VA's are already so popular.  They'd be alienating a large portion of the sim community.

It IS a good idea though. Wink
 

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Reply #19 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 2:43pm

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Hi there,

I think that SCENERY is the next logical step. We now have aircraft that look almost photoreal, sitting against a background that looks like "Lego"

I also think that we should have more aircraft in general. I enjoy the default planes (great vc's, etc) we just need more of them. Honestly, who flies the default "Vickers" on a regular basis!?

Lastly, but in my opinion, most importantly - MILITARY!!
I have never seen so many people talk about a subject that is not included in the sim. I understand that it is not everyones cup of tea, but when Kirk Olsen's "Viper" came out, tell me, you didn't download it!!!!!!!!

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Reply #20 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 5:43pm

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Honestly, who flies the default "Vickers" on a regular basis!?

Good point but remember FS2004 was made to celebrate the 100 years of aviation. But I'm sure MS won't have the "Vickers" or "Wright Flyer" in 2006  Wink
 

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Reply #21 - Apr 28th, 2004 at 11:49pm

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I`d like to have : Flocks of birds , realisticly scaled
buildings ( not those dwarf huts) , living blocks
(houses with yards in the middle that you find in most
western cities -if they cover larger spaces on the
ground you need less scenery objects - hence :
better FPS !) , wet rainy runways with enviromental
mapping , wake turbulences caused by heavies &
the possibility to leave the outer atmosphere.
 
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Reply #22 - Apr 29th, 2004 at 1:52am

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Scenery needs to make a jump to the next level.  As was said before, the planes now look good, and now is the time for the scenery to also step up to the plate.

A more accurate and visually realistic rendition of the virtual world in the next version of Flight Simulator would draw others who aren't neccessarily flight buffs, but would enjoy sightseeing in a virtual world (which is what MSFS is) from the comfort of their homes.

I have to admit, even though flying is my number one thrill in MSFS, I derive a large chunk of the excitement in having the whole world to explore.

And I also think that it's time for dynamic scenery to be improved.  Realism would get a huge boost if we could see moving buses, cars, other vehicles traveling down the roads and highways.  Flight Simulator would truly come to life.

As for FPS taking a hit, that's a weak point.   That's what the adjustable settings are for.  Anybody is free to customize their sliders up or down to increase or decrease the level of certain feaures, or turn it off completely.  It would allow those with the capablity to enjoy this new realm, while not hindering those with prehistoric computers.

This could only make our experiences within MSFS more positive and enjoyable.
 
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Reply #23 - Apr 29th, 2004 at 2:26pm

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I understand that it is not everyones cup of tea, but when Kirk Olsen's "Viper" came out, tell me, you didn't download it!!!!!!!!


Well..... actually..... I didn't download it  Grin.

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Reply #24 - Apr 29th, 2004 at 3:24pm

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As for FPS taking a hit, that's a weak point.   That's what the adjustable settings are for.  Anybody is free to customize their sliders up or down to increase or decrease the level of certain feaures, or turn it off completely.  It would allow those with the capablity to enjoy this new realm, while not hindering those with prehistoric computers.


I have to disagree.

While the purpose of sliders does help those with slower systems, it would be illogical from a business standpoint for M$ to release a software so demanding that only the absolute highest computers would run it.

The system I'm currently on (my "old" one) is only about 18 months old, and it runs FS9 reasonably.  It's hardly in the prehistoric category.  (Even by computer standards!)

But I know of a few people who are just a few months "behind" me and they can't run FS9 at all. 

Kick it up too much, and NO ONE will be able to enjoy (i.e. pay for) the game.
 

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Reply #25 - Apr 29th, 2004 at 4:37pm

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Well, FS2004 has been a chalenge to my frame rates.  So as much as I would like better scenery, I do not want it at the cost of less disirable frame rates.

As far as other aircraft, I think that would be great.  But I do not fly the default aircraft much, I fly mostly freeware aircraft now and panels.

I would like to see more improvement in ATC.  I think this is something they can do without cratering frame rates.  I would like to see holding instructions, SPEED RESTRICIONS, we have altitude, now lets have speed, better spacing, but get rid of the 40 mile vectoring to final.  Maybe 10 to 20 miles of vectoring.  I would just once like to fly a published STAR into a airport without being vectored off a third of the way into the STAR.  When I request a change of runway, let me land on that runway and not ask me to fly the approach but land on the original runway.   Declarie emergencies.

Basically, I feel there is enough freeware scenery, aircraft, and panels to do the job.  But there is no freeware addons I have seen other than adding airline call signs to ATC.

Have a button you can click if you want holding instructions or not.  Also, have a button to add narrow body and/or wide body jetways in the top 1000 cities so long as it does not crater frame rates.


Just some thoughts, Microsoft, I hope you are reading some of these excellent ideas I have been reading on many members posts. 

FS2004 is much improved in regards to ATC and Weather in my opinion over FS2002.  Now, lets raise the bar proportionately in FS2006.

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Reply #26 - Apr 29th, 2004 at 4:59pm

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Scripts for ATC response so you can add your own voice like in the Pro Pilot series.  It took some time but it was a blast to hear myself talking to an ATC center and such.

Also, if you add military, add civilian aircraft intercept and challenges as is the sad reality of today's world but would be fun to fly.

Roads going into and out of airports.  In game scenery editor.  I have wonderful dynamic and accurate scenery for Pensacola, MS and Corpus Christi NAS's that came with the Navy Shell trainer.  But it only works in 2002.  I would like to see an integral editor so you don't have to install, adjust and tweak a ton of third party programs and then worry if the finished product is going to work.

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Reply #27 - Apr 30th, 2004 at 6:43am

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While the purpose of sliders does help those with slower systems, it would be illogical from a business standpoint for M$ to release a software so demanding that only the absolute highest computers would run it.

True...   But it would be quite presumptuous of us to conclude that any advancement in the graphics and other features that Microsoft makes to FS in the next release would result in just that.

This reminds me of similar comments made by some back when we were still using FS2000 (not so long ago).  When the question of improvements came up for the yet to be released 2002 version, there were of course those reluctant and apprehensive of progress, afraid that their computers would not run the new, more processor hungry Flight Sim.Cry

Ideas had been suggested, such as adding trees, improvement in terrain realism, increased cloud complexity, among others.  We all know FS2000 was pretty poor when it came to these features, and we wanted improvements.  And oh yes, comments similar to "I'm not willing to lose FPS because of some trees" were heard.  MS did release the 2002 version with many of the improvements.  Sure, some really old computers couldn't hack it and were left out in the dust.  Undecided  But the majority of average computers during that period were able to run it OK depending on the degree one used the new souped up features (as always, as in previous and future releases).  And, as has always been the case, the high ended machines ran it the best.

Microsoft is an aggressive savvy company in the business of making money (all the lawsuits will attest to that ).  You will never have to worry about MS releasing software that ONLY the absolute highest computers could run.  They also know quite well from a business standpoint they have to offer some new advancements in their product, otherwise who in their right mind would fork up $$ to get basically what amounts to a clone of their previously owned copy?! Shocked

My point is the fact that by the time it comes for another release of FS, computers and graphics cards will also have advanced significantly to allow us to ramp up the improvements in FS software.  Sterk was right when he half-joked that by that time, we'll be making fun of those who have processors below 5 GHz.  Grin   MS will no doubt take advantage of the beefed up processor power and release FS2006 with some of the enhancements we want.  If the idea that advancement should be curbed due to the mentioned fears was actually followed, we all would be still flying staring at flat wireframes going by on the screen.  Angry  http://simflight.com/~fshistory/fsh/fs1.htm

As the average power of the computer increases every year, so should the newest FS reflect that, and that is what MS has always done.  I expect no less and no more this time around as well.   Smiley
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Reply #28 - Apr 30th, 2004 at 10:43am

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Ionos, you've taken my quote out of its context.

What I was saying was that it wouldn't be logical to create a program with ridiculous minimum requirements.

For example, it would be insane for them to release a game that would not run at all on anything less than a P4 3.4Ghz chip with 1 GB of RAM.  I don't mean run well, I mean it won't run at all.  Won't even start...

Of course there are going to be improvements, I'm not implying that there won't.  (Assuming we even have an FS10!)  But to wish for improvements that are so demanding that you can't see them unless your computer is 20 minutes old is a bit unrealistic.
 

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Reply #29 - Apr 30th, 2004 at 11:46am

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What I was saying was that it wouldn't be logical to create a program with ridiculous minimum requirements.

Hyperion, I absolutely agree with you on that one.   Which is why, despite all our complaints about MS, they're probably going to have to find the right balance of innovation, so we will feel it's worth our hard earned money to buy the new FS, and at the same time not eliminate most PCs from being able to run the sim. Business wise, being a shrewd company, they'll never go to either extreme.

And I'm sure that's the process they go through everytime they release a new version.
 
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Reply #30 - May 2nd, 2004 at 8:19pm

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i hope they include stuffs to make easier for the one who builts virtual cockpit or virtual homemade console
for example a way out to built a moveable cockpit, shakeable,an interfase which detect the horizon respect to the cabin
 

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Reply #31 - May 2nd, 2004 at 11:07pm

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Alrot,

Yes... more support for that type of stuff would be nice.

I'd love to have the sound effects be set up into a multi channel breakout like a 16 track recorder.  Then you could locate them in the right places in the simpit with the right hardware. 

Right engines come from the right, gear comes from the floor, warnings come from the main panel, ATC comes thru the headset, PA annouincements come from the rear of the cockpit, rain noise comes from the windshield area, wind from everywhere, copilot talk comes from the right side of the cockpit, and so on.

While there are a lot of us building simpits.... it is still a pretty small market... so I think we'll be dependent on the add-on developers for this type of stuff.

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Reply #32 - May 3rd, 2004 at 6:30am

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 Everything Gabe said ("I would like to see more improvement in ATC.  I think this is something they can do without cratering frame rates.  I would like to see holding instructions, SPEED RESTRICIONS, we have altitude, now lets have speed, better spacing, but get rid of the 40 mile vectoring to final.  Maybe 10 to 20 miles of vectoring.  I would just once like to fly a published STAR into a airport without being vectored off a third of the way into the STAR.  When I request a change of runway, let me land on that runway and not ask me to fly the approach but land on the original runway.   Declarie emergencies.")  is what I want.  I also think on 2 crew aircraft they should give you a co-pilot or beable to be the co-pilot where you set what they are to do durning the flight( like gear up/down, flap settings, take over flying or setting auto pilot settings, radios especially on long flights if you do not want to sit there the whole time) just like you do in real life, pilot flying and pilot not flying responsibilities.  But if anything what Gabe said about the ATC.  Cheers!
Oh yeh one more thing.  Get rid of the flat airports.  I would like to see elevation changes in the runways which most runways have.  I know that would take for ever to re-do all the MS airports and have the aircraft not bouce or crash with the change in elevation(like the downloadable uneven runways in the mountains cause it is a sharp ridge everytime the elevation changes) but it would be awesome.  The last one is kind of just dreaming lol.
 
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