Search the archive:
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
  News:
These are the archived forums. Click here to visit our new forums.
   
 
Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print
Dambusters Flying Torpedo (Read 204 times)
May 14th, 2003 at 1:58pm

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
Now then, here's a crack-pot posting to amuse you all. 

This Friday (16th) sees the 60th anniversary of the famous Dambusters Raid.  I've long been fascinated by that 617 Sqd. mission and thanks to the "Dambusters" add-on for CFS2 and a recent TV documentary my admiration for the flying skills involved has increased enormously.

This set me wondering what other type of weapon they could have used, assuming Barnes Wallis never came up with the 'bouncing bomb' idea.  The concept I came up with is what you might call a rocket-propelled, wire-guided, aerial torpedo,   having visual similarities to the German V-1 Flying Bomb.

The idea is that this device would be released at low level - though not nearly as low as the actual mission - say 200ft or so, and at a greater distance from the dam: maybe 1/2 mile.  This would allow the weapon to clear the aircraft safely before the rocket(s) would ignite.  As the device overtook its carrier aircraft it would unreel a guidance wire attached to its tail from the bomb-bay, through which steering commands would be sent electrically by the bomb-aimer.  It could thus be skimmed over the dam's anti-torpedo nets, entering the water to act as a 'conventional' torpedo, or aimed directly at the structure's water-line.  Once several devices had been placed like this, they could all be detonated simultaneously by radio-wave for maximum explosive effect.

Now, this is where you guys come in.  The tools exist out there with which to create such a (simulated) weapon, marry it up with the "Dambusters" add-on, and see if the flamin' thing would have actually worked (all based on 1940's technology of course).  Unfortunately, I don't have the computer skills to do this myself, but I'm wondering if some of you other 617/Dambusters fans might be up to the job and keen enough to give it a try?  I think it would make for an interesting - and challenging - excercise.  Whaddaya think?  Any takers?   Roll Eyes

Chocks away!

Paddy Payne  8)

Thought For Today: If bombs were meant to bounce they'd be made of rubber.
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #1 - May 14th, 2003 at 2:49pm

Tequila Sunrise   Offline
Colonel
Nunquam non paratus
Glasgow Scotland

Gender: male
Posts: 4149
*****
 
doubt it would work as the reason the real attacks worked was the pressure wall behind the explosion at the base of the damn, might be usefull for harbour attacks though 8)
 

If someone with multiple personality disorder threatens suicide, is it a hostage situation?

Thou shalt maintain thine airspeed lest the ground shalt rise up and smite thee
IP Logged
 
Reply #2 - May 14th, 2003 at 4:54pm

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
Thanks, Craig.  You're quite right about the water pressure being integral to the operation ... but like I explained, I had envisioned these devices striking the dam wall then sinking to the base, to be detonated remotely when enough had been 'seeded' in the right place.  The Germans developed a 'glider bomb' towards the end of the war on a similar principal, though it wasn't wire-guided.  I think it was used operationally at least once, but I'm not sure.

Any other 'boffins' got alternative ideas - and can they be made a PC reality?

Paddy Payne 8)
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #3 - May 14th, 2003 at 5:07pm

Woodlouse2002   Offline
Colonel
I like jam.
Cornwall, England

Gender: male
Posts: 12574
*****
 
Its a great idea but unfortunatly it would not work in CFS2. CFS2 does not support guided weapons and so it would really be out of the question.

Also I seem to remeber this german weapon that was a rocket powered bouncing bomb. That would be nice to see...
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
IP Logged
 
Reply #4 - May 15th, 2003 at 3:56am

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Quote:
Also I seem to remeber this german weapon that was a rocket powered bouncing bomb. That would be nice to see...


The Germans did build a rocket powered bouncing bomb for use against shipping. They also designed and used the "Fritz X" radio guided missile and it was used to sink a couple of Italian battleships later in the war.

Paddy, have you tried to breach the dams using a Grand Slam? This was Barns Wallis' original idea for busting the dams.
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #5 - May 15th, 2003 at 3:52pm

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
Hello Tempest Mk.V (or can I call you Hawker?)

Nope, haven't tried the Grand Slam yet, but I fully intend to.  In fact, I haven't even dropped Upkeep 'in anger' yet.  My intention was - much like the TV documentary - to give myself a similar amount of 'training time' before flying the real-time simulated mission on the anniversary of the real attack (which by my watch only leaves me about 24-hrs: gulp!).

My hat goes off to those who flew the real mission - it's difficult enough in the simulated version.  The TV programme was fascinating, but they had a full crew of seven.  I'll be making my attack alone, having to fly to a precise speed and altitude, aiming and releasing Upkeep at a pre-determined distance, while taking a pop at the flak-towers as the front gunner.  What's required here is to clone a PC pilot/gamer with an octopus!

Thanks also to Woodlouse2000 (or can I call you Woody?) for the info' on CFS2.  Ah, well, back to the drawing board, eh?  I've got this other great idea though.  First, you plonk a single atom on a chopping board, right, then you get hold of a bloody big axe and ...  Undecided

Chocks away, chums!  Time to give Harry Hun a jolly good pasting 'sausage side', then back home for tea and medals.

Paddy Payne 8)
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #6 - May 15th, 2003 at 4:58pm

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Quote:
Hello Tempest Mk.V (or can I call you Hawker?)

Nope, haven't tried the Grand Slam yet, but I fully intend to. �In fact, I haven't even dropped Upkeep 'in anger' yet. �My intention was - much like the TV documentary - to give myself a similar amount of 'training time' before flying the real-time simulated mission on the anniversary of the real attack (which by my watch only leaves me about 24-hrs: gulp!).

My hat goes off to those who flew the real mission - it's difficult enough in the simulated version. �The TV programme was fascinating, but they had a full crew of seven. �I'll be making my attack alone, having to fly to a precise speed and altitude, aiming and releasing Upkeep at a pre-determined distance, while taking a pop at the flak-towers as the front gunner. �What's required here is to clone a PC pilot/gamer with an octopus!

Paddy Payne 8)


You're welcome to call me "Hawker" Paddy pal, most everyone else does! Smiley
I've played about with "Upkeep" a few times but have yet to breach any dams with it. I've dropped the odd Grandslam on them also but never managed to get within about a mile of the damn things!
You can't help but admire those brave young men who flew this and all the other missions of bomber command. Over 55000 gave their lives and we should never forget them.
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #7 - May 15th, 2003 at 5:23pm

Woodlouse2002   Offline
Colonel
I like jam.
Cornwall, England

Gender: male
Posts: 12574
*****
 
Good luck with your attack Paddy. I managed to breech the dam first time and I can tell you this. You don't have to be accurate. By all means and purposes I should have missed by several miles. I was too high too fast and off to the left... But I still hit it!!! Grin

And a word of advice, watch out for pylons. You cannot go under them so don't even try... The flak gets thick but low flying should get you through... Oh and warp when it tells you too. Its the only way to complete the mission.

P.s. Course you can call me Woody. Everybody else does... Except Ozzy who calls me Woodie Tongue and the occasional American who calls me Woodhouse for some inexplicable reason...

Anyway, good luck with the mission. Wink
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
IP Logged
 
Reply #8 - May 17th, 2003 at 9:06am

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
Hi Woody and Hawker!

Thanks for the encouragement, lads, it's appreciated.  I've had to postpone the mission until the evening of the 18th due to urgent squadron business (ie; drinking beer and chasing women), but I promise you a full post-op' breifing.

On the topic of 'bouncing bombs' ... I'm sure you already know there was a smaller version of Upkeep, code-named Highball, designed specifically for anti-shipping strikes (with a special Mosquito squadron - 618 - formed to use it).  If enough of us write to JustFlight, d'you think they'd maybe produce a simulated version?

Have either of you tried JustFlight's "Mosquito Squadron"?  Any good - and does it include the Amiens Prison attack (Operation Jericho)?

Well ... time for one more practice hop before the 'big' one.

Cheerio!

Paddy Payne 8)

QUOTE OF THE DAY:  (Aussie accent). "This is bloody dangerous!"
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #9 - May 17th, 2003 at 1:22pm

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Quote:
�I've had to postpone the mission until the evening of the 18th due to urgent squadron business (ie; drinking beer and chasing women), but I promise you a full post-op' breifing.

Paddy Payne 8)

QUOTE OF THE DAY: �(Aussie accent). "This is bloody dangerous!"


Nice to see you have your priority�s right Paddy!

I don't think Just Flight will build a Highball Mosquito for you, but it may be possible to modify an existing Mossie to take the practice bomb used by the Wellington. Only thing is, there is no bouncing bomb animation in Dam Busters, so I'm not sure this is a really good idea.
As for Mosquito squadron, I'm sure it has the prison raid included, but I've not got it because I have the Gryphon Mosquitos installed and these are just about the best out there. The Mossie sqn aircraft are a little inaccurate in as much as they have the roundels under the wing that real Mossies did not have.
Well paddy, keep up the practice and don't forget to post the report. Good luck,
Hawker.

PS Love the Quote! Grin
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #10 - May 25th, 2003 at 6:50am

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
POST-OP' REPORT FOR WOODY, HAWKER AND ANYONE ELSE (AND HIS DOG) WHO'S INTERESTED.

First of all a warning for all first time Mohne Dam fliers: don't be so engrossed by the sight of seven other Lancs' following you out of Scampton against the setting sun that you inadvertantly fly into the deck whilst looking backwards (Ooops!).

OK.  Left Scampton at 1,000ft, descending to 500ft at the coast then down to 100ft over the sea.  Nice to hear the nav' giving course to steer at WP1 (pity he sounded less like a young airman and more like a middle-aged train-spotter).  'Flying' in a darkened room wearing head-phones made it all even more immersive - when we crossed the 'enemy coast' I swear the hairs on the back of my neck stood up. 

Things got a bit hairy at WP2.  Flak was so thick I could have got out and walked on it, but searchlights hadn't a clue.  Then I saw the pylons.  I know Woody said you couldn't go under them - but I did!  Don't know how I did it (sheer panic I think).  We lost one of the boys here to flak, saw him go in - horrible.

Heading east for the German border I was off track to starboard but just followed a long straight road (canal?) until a T-junction then eased to port to get back on route.  More pylons at next WP (went over this time).  Lost another two kites at WP5 (or was it 6?).  Nerve-wracking situation made worse by some prat who sounded like a ruddy undertaker, intoning "defend yourselves" every time the flak got bad - as if we needed telling (as if we could do anything anyway with gun turrets you could't move!). 

Got to the "press X to continue" point, then it was the dam.  No problem really, as the obligatory warp sets you up perfectly for the run-in to target.  Even so, what with juggling various keys to get the proper bomb-aimer view (with the aid of a pen light clenched between my teeth) I ended up a bit too high and too fast.  Anyhow, up came the towers on the dam - flak not as bad as I'd expected - and at the appropriate (approximate) moment I pressed the tit.  "Bomb gone, skipper!".  A few moments later came a God-almighty flash and explosion and someone yelled, "it's gone!". 

By this time I was reduced to a wet rag with my eyeballs out on stalks - and I still had to get us home to Blighty.  All I can say is, it's a bloody long way to the Fatherland when you're flying in real-time, even with the help of 'George' .... but with luck (and a flask of strong tea) we made it.

Joking aside, flying this simulation has only increased my admiration for the blokes who had to do it for real.  The sheer concentration involved in keeping on track and not flying into the ground must have been a tremendous strain on them - and when you add to that the fact of being shot at as well ... they must have been fuelled on pure adrenalin.

Now for the bad news.  The following evening I decided to have another crack at the Mohne to see if I could fly a more accurate bomb run.  I cheated by warping all the way from Scamptom to the Mohne (I'm not that much of a masochist) and started the run.  In the heat of the moment I forgot to 'select' Upkeep, so when I pressed the release button nothing happened.  Imagine my surprise then when I got the previous night's flash and explosion and crew confirmation that the dam had 'gone'.  I thought this might be a fluke, so I re-set everything and tried again, this time deliberately not dropping the bomb.  Same result. 

Don't know how you guys feel, but that spoiled the whole package for me.  It made a mockery of all those 'training flights' I made over the Derwent, trying to achieve that precise height and speed profile.  Worse than that - I'm sure some people will assume from flying the sim' that the real thing must have been easy too - and that's bloody unforgiveable in my book.  Well, I suppose I mustn't take these things too seriously - it's only a game (so they tell me). 

Hawker, please tell me more about those Gryphon Mosquitoes. The 'mossie' is one of my all time favourites, but I've yet to find one that looks and sounds really accurate.

Cheers!

Andy
(a.k.a.  S/Ldr Paddy Payne  8) - RAF fighter ace and all round good egg from the 'Lion' comic of the 1960s)

 
IP Logged
 
Reply #11 - May 25th, 2003 at 9:02am

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Afternoon Paddy. Godd mission report there pal. Can't say I've had the breached dam without bomb thing happen to me, but I must admit I've spent more time dropping Grand Slams on things than bouncing bombs. I'll give it a go this week and see what happens. It would be interesting to hear if anyone else has had this happen.
The Gryphon Mossies have been about for ages now, but are still about the best overall out there. You get four planes in the package, Bomber, Fighter bomber with and without invasion stripes and night fighter. (Check out raw screen shots, JU 88 lone raider for a few good shots of the NF MkII Mossie that I've just posted.)
Comes with everything including a sound package weapons and stuff, but I have a superb Merlin sound set so I always use this to replace the default sounds with. The whole thing is a download of about 8 meg and it is in the SimV CFS2 download section (can't remember what page, but start at oldes and work through, you'll find them.) There were some new GMAX mossies posted to the CFS2 upload section recently, but I don't think they are as good as the Gryphon models. Check them out and see what you think.
Cheers Paddy pal,
Hawker.
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #12 - May 25th, 2003 at 5:31pm

Woodlouse2002   Offline
Colonel
I like jam.
Cornwall, England

Gender: male
Posts: 12574
*****
 
Congratulations on completing the raid paddy. I glad that you can fly under the pylons. Needless to say I crashed into a wall of nothing about 3 times while attempting it. Shame to hear about the dam breaching thing. I really though I had busted it. Tongue

And get the Gryphon Mossies. There great (to take the phrase of a well knowen tiger...).
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
IP Logged
 
Reply #13 - May 26th, 2003 at 10:11am

michaelmichael   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 140
*****
 
hello chaps

your banter about the dambuster mission sounds interesting  where can i get the addon for it??? also can you tell me where i can get the gryphon Mossie

thanks heaps

michaelmichael
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #14 - May 26th, 2003 at 12:35pm

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Hi there Michael,
The Dambusters add on is payware and it's from Just Flight. Costs about �25. It includes three different Lancasters (a fourth version is available as an upgrade from Just Flight support), a Wellington and a Mosquito. You get to fly most of 617's best know raids including the Terpitz, Eagles nest and the Dams. Most people I know who have it are well pleased with it although Paddy's revelation about the self breaching dam is a cause of concern. I've not come accross this yet, but I intend to try it out.
As for those superb Grython Mosquitos, well you can get them here: http://www.simviation.com/gryphon/cfs2/aircraft.htm
Have fun!
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #15 - May 26th, 2003 at 1:37pm

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
Hello MichaelMichael (so nice they named him twice!)

Just to add a little to what Hawker said in his reply ...  buy "The Dambusters" from the company's website - www.justflight.com - as they knock off a few quid (that's Pounds Sterling to all you foreign types) for new customers, plus they give loyalty points with site purchases that you can redeem against your next buy.

Gryphon Mosquito package?  You'll find it on p.22 of the CFS2 download page on this site.  Downloaded it myself last night and it's excellent.  OK, it may be showing its age in places, and the shape of the lower engine nacelles isn't quite right - but it's still damn good and lots of fun.

Hawker - you know that Merlin sound package you mentioned: is it available for download from SimVi' or similar?  The one in the Gryphon package doesn't get my adrenalin flowing the way I'd hoped it would.

Speaking of Mossies .... if you can get hold of a copy I'd highly recommend a book called "Mosquito Intruder" by Dave McIntosh.  Dave was a Mosquito navigator with 418 Sqdn RCAF and his book is the best I've ever read about wartime flying.  He tells it like it was - warts and all.  Apart from anything else, he has the same daft sense of humour as me and admits on page-one that he was a born-again coward - so I could identify with him straight away!

Chocks away, Chums!

Andy  8)
(a.k.a. S/Ldr. Paddy Payne, VC, DFC, CDM-and-bar (several bars, actually)

QUOTE OF THE WEEK FROM CPT. FLASH-HEART, RFC:
"Treat your woman like you do your kite.  Get inside her twice a day and take her to Heaven and back."   Shocked
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #16 - May 27th, 2003 at 4:21am

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Quote:
Hawker - you know that Merlin sound package you mentioned: is it available for download from SimVi' or similar? �The one in the Gryphon package doesn't get my adrenalin flowing the way I'd hoped it would.

Speaking of Mossies .... if you can get hold of a copy I'd highly recommend a book called "Mosquito Intruder" by Dave McIntosh. �Dave was a Mosquito navigator with 418 Sqdn RCAF and his book is the best I've ever read about wartime flying. �He tells it like it was - warts and all. �Apart from anything else, he has the same daft sense of humour as me and admits on page-one that he was a born-again coward - so I could identify with him straight away!

Chocks away, Chums!

Andy �8)
(a.k.a. S/Ldr. Paddy Payne, VC, DFC, CDM-and-bar (several bars, actually)

QUOTE OF THE WEEK FROM CPT. FLASH-HEART, RFC:
"Treat your woman like you do your kite. �Get inside her twice a day and take her to Heaven and back." � Shocked


Well Paddy pal, I'm a Spitfire nut so having the correct sounds for all my now 50 plus (over two sims) Spitfires is a must. I use the Merlin and Griffon sound set from Just Flight's Battle of Britain Memorial Flight add on. The sounds were recorded from the BBMF aircraft and are the best Merlin and Griffon sounds I've ever come accross.
There are quite a few Merlin sound sets out there but only one Griffon set that I've found and none are quite as good as the BBMF set.
That book sounds very interesting. I love to read the true accounts of actual pilots from WW2. Is it a recent book and do you know if it's still in print?
Good hunting Paddy pal!
Hawker.

PS, once again, great quote pal Wink
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #17 - May 27th, 2003 at 7:26am

michaelmichael   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 140
*****
 
hi Hawker Tempest

thanks for the quick response .  the Mossie is great.

later

michaelmichael Wink
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #18 - May 27th, 2003 at 7:30am

michaelmichael   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 140
*****
 
hello paddy payne

also to you thanks for the quick response. i'll have to hunt around Canada to find the dambuster addon.

michael
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #19 - May 27th, 2003 at 7:34am

michaelmichael   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 140
*****
 
Hello Paddy Payne

like all of your awards. particularily your VC and all the extra bars.  For me I received a lot of wound decoration and awards from most allies and belligerents

michaelmichael

happy flying
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #20 - May 27th, 2003 at 5:13pm

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
Hiya Hawker

I'm pretty sure "Mosquito Intruder" is out of print at the moment - BUT - get yourself over to www.abebooks.co.uk. ; In the Advanced Search screen type in the author (McIntosh) and title and select United Kingdom from the country box (guessing that you're in the UK like 'moi').  You'll find about 6 second-hand copies for sale, from the ultra cheap ex-library copy at �5, to the frankly ultra ridiculous �29.  But do it quickly, before all the other UK mossie fans that read this stuff beat you to it, ha!

I was so moved and impressed with the book that I actually wrote to Dave, via the publisher, and got a really great letter back from him.  That was a lot of years ago now ... I hope he's still with us.  Incidentally, the original title (as published in Canada) was "Terror in the Right-Hand Seat", which is much more appropriate (and accurate) but his British publisher made him change it to the more gung-ho "Mosquito Intruder".

Well, I re-flew (is that a word?) the Mohne mission tonight by way of experiment, and guess what? - the 'self-destructing' dam effect didn't happen.  I did a quick 360, dropped Upkeep normally, and the dam blew up (normally).  Re-set and tried again: this time the dam appeared to have been breached before I even got there.  Dropped bomb, bomb bounced as advertised, didn't see bomb explode, didn't hear "It's gone, skipper", didn't pass Go, didn't collect �200. 

Hmmm???  I'm begining to think there's gremlins in my computer.  Either that or there's a few bugs in the programme that JustFlight don't know about (or aren't letting on about).  I could try emailing their Technical Helpline .... but I don't think I'd live long enough to get a reply. 

Well, chin-chin, chaps (whatever the hell that means)

Paddy Payne: Hun-Hunter extraordinaire.  8)
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #21 - May 27th, 2003 at 6:28pm

Woodlouse2002   Offline
Colonel
I like jam.
Cornwall, England

Gender: male
Posts: 12574
*****
 
Tempest, I have a great Griffon sound pack which came from somewhere. Tongue I think it came from Paul Rebuafeeteladedalela's site.


Anyway, Paddy. May I suggest that you pop over to Mauro's website and have a gander at his Hurricanes. They are easily the best avaliable and there are many varients. I would post the address but AOL is being crap and not letting me at my favorites list. Also opera too now has given up working leaving me with IE to browse the internet. Undecided
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
IP Logged
 
Reply #22 - May 28th, 2003 at 4:33am

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Quote:
Hiya Hawker

I'm pretty sure "Mosquito Intruder" is out of print at the moment - BUT - get yourself over to www.abebooks.co.uk. �In the Advanced Search screen type in the author (McIntosh) and title and select United Kingdom from the country box (guessing that you're in the UK like 'moi'). �You'll find about 6 second-hand copies for sale, from the ultra cheap ex-library copy at �5, to the frankly ultra ridiculous �29. �But do it quickly, before all the other UK mossie fans that read this stuff beat you to it, ha!

Hmmm??? �I'm begining to think there's gremlins in my computer. �Either that or there's a few bugs in the programme that JustFlight don't know about (or aren't letting on about). �I could try emailing their Technical Helpline .... but I don't think I'd live long enough to get a reply. �



Thanks for that Paddy, I'll check that out and hopefuly get hold of a copy. It sounds like a really great read.
As for your problems with the Dam Busters, I really would contact Just Flight support. On the odd occasion I've delt with them, they have been very helpful.

Quote:
Tempest, I have a great Griffon sound pack which came from somewhere.  I think it came from Paul Rebuafeeteladedalela's site.

Thanks for that Woody. I've been on Paul's site loads of times but because I've already got a sound set, I've never bothered to check out if there was a better one there. I'll download it and check it out. Smiley
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #23 - Jun 3rd, 2003 at 5:18pm

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
"Hello Playmates!" - sorry, just had a touch of the Arthur Askeys there (mental image of hundreds of Yanks grunting a collective, "huh?").

Hi, Woody - Thanks for the tip about Mauro's Hurricanes.  I downloaded one and yes, it's very good.  Unfortunately, it's not 100% happy working with my graphics card (a bit jerky in places, etc), but I can live with that.  Also, I couldn't get the pilot figure to load properly.  I've tried posting it in various folders, including the recommended one, but CFS2 keeps telling me it can't find the 'pilot' file in the library whenever I select the Hurri' as Player Aircraft.  What file did you put 'your' 'pilots' in?

Hi, Hawker - since you're a big Spitfire buff, can you recommend a really good Mk.1a from the BoB era?  You earn extra bonus points if you know of one in the colours of Sgt. Andy McDowell of 602 (City of Glasgow) Sqd.  Our local 2nd hand games shop has a copy of "Battle of Britain".  Do you know if it's any good?

Chocks away, boys!

Paddy Payne  8)

JOKE OF THE WEEK:  A Polish fighter pilot is giving a talk (reluctantly) about his war experiences to the Walmington-on-Sea Womens' Guild.  It's going OK, but then he says, "Well, ladies, there I was at 10,000 feet.  I look in my mirror and see big Nazi fukka ... "  A gasp goes up from all the old dears in the audience.  The Wing Commander (who'd organised the talk) gets up - very embarrassed - and says, "Ah ... er ... Sergeant Sosobovski is of course referring to the German Focke-Wulf 190 fighter aircraft.  Isn't that correct, Sergeant?"  The Pole looks earnestly at his commanding officer.  "If you say so, sir," he replies, "but this big fukka was in a Messerschmit."  Grin



 
IP Logged
 
Reply #24 - Jun 4th, 2003 at 6:24am

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Quote:
"Hello Playmates!" - sorry, just had a touch of the Arthur Askeys there (mental image of hundreds of Yanks grunting a collective, "huh?").

Hi, Woody - Thanks for the tip about Mauro's Hurricanes. �I downloaded one and yes, it's very good. �Unfortunately, it's not 100% happy working with my graphics card (a bit jerky in places, etc), but I can live with that. �Also, I couldn't get the pilot figure to load properly. �I've tried posting it in various folders, including the recommended one, but CFS2 keeps telling me it can't find the 'pilot' file in the library whenever I select the Hurri' as Player Aircraft. �What file did you put 'your' 'pilots' in?

Hi, Hawker - since you're a big Spitfire buff, can you recommend a really good Mk.1a from the BoB era? �You earn extra bonus points if you know of one in the colours of Sgt. Andy McDowell of 602 (City of Glasgow) Sqd. �Our local 2nd hand games shop has a copy of "Battle of Britain". �Do you know if it's any good?

Chocks away, boys!

Paddy Payne �8)




Good day Paddy pal!
With Mauro's planes, you need to add the pilot as if it was a new aircraft into the aircraft folder. It will add towards your 100 plane limit but will stop that "can't find..." message and he will show up in the cockpit.

Sadly, older Spits are few and far between (good ones that is) and we badly need some new GMAX updates to marks I through V. Paul Rebuffat has a superb selection of GMAX Spits but he starts at MkVII and works up to Mk XVI. Pop over here and check them out, http://rebuffatplanes.free.fr/accueil.php3 they are the best Spits on the web and I think he has a 602 Sqdn Mk IXc
As for older types, VB planes have done a few older models, you can find them at Sim Outhouse. The CFS2 section here at SimV has the odd MkV and MkI, but they are quite old models now and not too great.
I use a MkIIa from the Just Flight BBMF add on. It's an OK model but is looking a bit old now. Fantastic sound set though.
The only other new MkI/II's you will find are payware from Aeroplane Heaven. A H are working on a complete collection of Spits, but they will be payware also.
Hope that helps out a bit!
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Reply #25 - Jun 4th, 2003 at 6:12pm

Woodlouse2002   Offline
Colonel
I like jam.
Cornwall, England

Gender: male
Posts: 12574
*****
 
There is a MkI Spitfire at VB planes at SIM-Outhouse.com.

The airfile is not good but its the only MkI i've ever found and it can out turn almost anything anyone else has. Tongue
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
IP Logged
 
Reply #26 - Jun 10th, 2003 at 2:32pm

Paddy_Payne   Offline
Colonel
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Posts: 12
*****
 
Hello Woody and Hawker!

Thanks for all the tips and advice on Spitfires, fellas.  I downloaded a Mk.VII and a Mk.IX from Paul's site.  They're excellent, and for the first time I've been able to give those pesky sons of Nippon (in their Zeros) a run for their money in a turning fight.  Wizard prangs all round!

Have any of you noticed that the British-pilot voice in Paul's Spits' sounds spookily like 'the navigator' in  "Dambusters"?  Could this be a case of in-breeding?  Don't get me wrong - it's great to hear a British voice in a British aircraft, but one day the world will learn that not all wartime RAF crew came from Eton or 'Oxbridge'.

Having said that .... must dash, old boy(s).  Got to swat a few Gerries before 'mumsy' calls me down for tiffin.  Toodle-pip!

Paddy Payne  8)
 
IP Logged
 
Reply #27 - Jun 16th, 2003 at 4:02pm

Woodlouse2002   Offline
Colonel
I like jam.
Cornwall, England

Gender: male
Posts: 12574
*****
 
Paddy, the reason you spit pilot and lanc navagator sound the same is because its the same sound file. The Dambuster pack adds on a nice british sound pack to make the missions authentic and this has the side affect of giving all british aircraft british voices. Cheesy
 

Woodlouse2002 PITA and BAR!!!!!!!!&&&&Our Sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the Act made in the first year of King George the First for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God Save the King.&&&&Viva la revolution!
IP Logged
 
Reply #28 - Aug 11th, 2003 at 2:39am

Merlin66   Offline
Colonel
"YAS Spitfires...... merlin
powered"
Derrinal, Australia

Gender: male
Posts: 189
*****
 
Reading the interesting dialog.......
I'm putting the finishing touches to a series of Merlin engined Spitfires ( YAS.. Yet Another Spitfire), starting with a MKVIII ( cos I'm in Oz) should post within the next week or so. Will include all the variations.
 

Merlin66&&
IP Logged
 
Reply #29 - Aug 11th, 2003 at 9:41am

HawkerTempest5   Offline
Colonel
Hawker Tempest MK V
United Kingdom

Gender: male
Posts: 3149
*****
 
Quote:
Reading the interesting dialog.......
I'm putting the finishing touches to a series of Merlin engined Spitfires ( YAS.. Yet Another Spitfire), starting with a MKVIII ( cos I'm in Oz) should post within the next week or so. Will include all the variations.


Merlin pal, that's fantastic news. You can NEVER have enough Spitfires!
CFS2 has been sadly lacking in any really good early Spits and with "Spit Master" Paul Rebufatt's site having gone, the supply of good Spits had dried up somewhat.
I'm looking forward to seeing your work. Please let us know when they are done.
 

...
Flying Legends
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 
Send Topic Print