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Reply #15 -
Apr 26
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, 2011 at 4:47pm
Steve M
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Souichiro wrote
on Apr 26
th
, 2011 at 6:28am:
Steve M wrote
on Apr 25
th
, 2011 at 8:36pm:
CrashII wrote
on Apr 24
th
, 2011 at 3:36pm:
pete wrote
on Apr 22
nd
, 2011 at 4:32pm:
He was banned for being an old school, 1950's racist. Pushed the rules to the limit for years and in the end his self admitted bigotry showed him the way to the door.
Mods, including Shane, and others on the forums, were calling for his banning for years.
While he was here he put a LOT of people off staying here. Someone even made a video about him ....
Excuse me?
The most bigoted, atheist and prejudice person in your new forums, isn't Paul.. No offence FSNerd.
This is one that I don't get?
I shouldn't have said that, I was in a bad mood last night. It was out of character for me.
Flying with twins is a lot of fun..
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Reply #16 -
Apr 26
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, 2011 at 5:05pm
Souichiro
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Steve M wrote
on Apr 26
th
, 2011 at 4:47pm:
Souichiro wrote
on Apr 26
th
, 2011 at 6:28am:
Steve M wrote
on Apr 25
th
, 2011 at 8:36pm:
CrashII wrote
on Apr 24
th
, 2011 at 3:36pm:
pete wrote
on Apr 22
nd
, 2011 at 4:32pm:
He was banned for being an old school, 1950's racist. Pushed the rules to the limit for years and in the end his self admitted bigotry showed him the way to the door.
Mods, including Shane, and others on the forums, were calling for his banning for years.
While he was here he put a LOT of people off staying here. Someone even made a video about him ....
Excuse me?
The most bigoted, atheist and prejudice person in your new forums, isn't Paul.. No offence FSNerd.
This is one that I don't get?
I shouldn't have said that, I was in a bad mood last night. It was out of character for me.
No Problem! We all have our bad days from time to time
I think it might be time to close this one up as it is clearly a useless discussion. The Fozzer situation is known now and since neither "side" is going to have a change of heart/mind it is of no use to even discuss the issue... It will at best just lead to a flame war which would be unfortunate for everybody. Pete has every right to enforce his vision on Simv since it is his creation and he has spent many hours and/or dollars to build Simv to where it is now.
And just as it is his right to enforce the rules it is the right of each and every individual whether to take part in it or to go somewhere else... Thankfully the Interwebs is large enough to facilitate many possible points of "virtual"meetings.
Well these are my last two pennies in this particular thread....
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Reply #17 -
Apr 26
th
, 2011 at 5:24pm
Steve M
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Cambridge On.
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Souichiro wrote
on Apr 26
th
, 2011 at 5:05pm:
Steve M wrote
on Apr 26
th
, 2011 at 4:47pm:
Souichiro wrote
on Apr 26
th
, 2011 at 6:28am:
Steve M wrote
on Apr 25
th
, 2011 at 8:36pm:
CrashII wrote
on Apr 24
th
, 2011 at 3:36pm:
pete wrote
on Apr 22
nd
, 2011 at 4:32pm:
He was banned for being an old school, 1950's racist. Pushed the rules to the limit for years and in the end his self admitted bigotry showed him the way to the door.
Mods, including Shane, and others on the forums, were calling for his banning for years.
While he was here he put a LOT of people off staying here. Someone even made a video about him ....
Excuse me?
The most bigoted, atheist and prejudice person in your new forums, isn't Paul.. No offence FSNerd.
This is one that I don't get?
I shouldn't have said that, I was in a bad mood last night. It was out of character for me.
No Problem! We all have our bad days from time to time
I think it might be time to close this one up as it is clearly a useless discussion. The Fozzer situation is known now and since neither "side" is going to have a change of heart/mind it is of no use to even discuss the issue... It will at best just lead to a flame war which would be unfortunate for everybody. Pete has every right to enforce his vision on Simv since it is his creation and he has spent many hours and/or dollars to build Simv to where it is now.
And just as it is his right to enforce the rules it is the right of each and every individual whether to take part in it or to go somewhere else... Thankfully the Interwebs is large enough to facilitate many possible points of "virtual"meetings.
Well these are my last two pennies in this particular thread....
Thank you, well said.
Flying with twins is a lot of fun..
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, 2011 at 3:56pm
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@Beaky: Yes, you can call it a 'rogue' website. Doesn't mean there are no rules. Yes, there is a more relaxed freedom of speech over there. Yes, you are encouraged to discuss anything. But, within limits. Go too far and you are also banned. Homebbrewer is the living example of that. He was the first to be banned and hopefully the last.
FSNerd.
And that is the entire foundation of your site... "A more relaxed freedom of speech..."? Ok that is fine when you have 36 members who all "know" each other somewhat "personally". If Simviation was made up of 36 members who knew each other, I am sure we would have a much more relaxed atmosphere here also.
But when you have over
36,000 members from around the world who are all different ages
...
you need to be a bit more "professional" with your business plan.
It seems the thread in question has been removed from the site. I found it interesting that before it was removed that {insert name here} said that "anybody who breaks the rules here will be dealt with!". Only to see Doug "Grumpy's" post saying...
"
Isn't that the same thing that pete tried to enforce at Simviation? Now maybe you understand why he did what he did"
... or something along those lines.
I think then and there it was obvious that we all have rules that we try to enforce to keep our site(s) running smooth and keeping it enjoyable for all that visit. Maybe {insert name here} realized that is all we have been trying to do all along here at SimV. {Insert name here} was called out on it and that is why the thread was removed, IMHO.
Whatever has happened has happened, nobody is losing sleep over it in the end, it is only another forum amongst hundreds of thousands on the Internet. The problem we have are the things that are being done behind the scenes.
Let's say for example... a former member intentionally contacting authors who upload here to see if they authorised their uploads to Simviation....?
That is simply unacceptable and there is no reason for it other than to cause problems.
Hopefully this is the last of it it and we can all move on... John has created a site where you can speak about almost anything you want. As a matter of fact that is how SimV started out if I remember correctly,... there was a real "relaxed freedom of speech" back then, sound familiar? But as the site grew and the fan base increased, we had to adjust to accommodate the people who enjoyed the hobby.
It is hard to "manage" the feelings and opinions of so many on a single forum. The actions that we take are always discussed as a group usually over a month's time before any actions are taken. Usually if there is a problem the person will be contacted and told that there is an issue. To think that we enjoy banning anybody from here is complete ridiculous. Fozzer's name was brought up by a few over a year ago and was discussed numerous times among the Mods. The reason it took so long is because we all found Fozz amusing most of the time. But when the owner of the site receives personal messages once a month from different users, something had to be done. The reason I address this is because it was this reason that caused the scales to tip and those of you to jump ship. Imagine if you had over a dozen Fozzers a month posting things that people found offensive. Do you sit by and watch what you have created wither away, or do you defend what you have built? I am sure most of you know the answer to that with your new site. It only takes one member to bring that place down and I am sure you wouldn't want that to happen just as we here at SimV did not want it to happen.
Thanks again and I have said my peace...
Dave...
Intel Core i7 Extreme Processor 965, 4.2GHz/8MB L3 Cache, Asus P6T Deluxe V2 Intel X58 Chipset Cross
Fire & SLI Supported, Mushkin Redline 6GB (3X2GB) Memory, eVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285, Vista 64.
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