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I7965 oc'd to 4.0 OCCT 100C in 2 sec (Read 1952 times)
May 27th, 2009 at 8:26pm

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Idle Temp 74 - 75 degrees Centigrade room temperature 72 degrees Fahrenheit.  Start OCCT V3.1.0 and within two seconds the CPU is to hot at 100 degrees Centigrade.  Cools within ~30 seconds back to 74 - 75.  I use this to use FSX.  I believe that it is setup to Nick's recommendations.  Any help and recommendations on what is wrong are truly appreciated.

Thanks,
Lynn

i7 965 Extreme 3.2 GHz 8M L3 Cache LGA overclocked to 4.0Ghz
Thermaltake W0131RU 850W
EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB DDR3 1600
EVGA 01G-P3-1285-AR GeForce GTX 285 SC Edition
HD: RAID-10 4 SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache WD500
COOLER MASTER V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler, ENERMAX UC-8EB 80mm Case Fan, 3x Scythe GentleTyphoon
Cooler Master Cmstacker Tower
Windows Vista Enterprise (64-bit)
I am Adding 3ware 9650SE Sata II Raid Controller with BBU.

This data is using the motherboard Raid Controller.

Using CPU-Z these are the following numbers:

CPU                                                                  
Clocks (core #0)                        
 Core speed 3977.7 - 3984.8                                
 Multiplier  x30.0                                                            
 Bus Speed 132.7 - 132.8            
 QPI Link 2386.6 2391.4      

Cache
L1 data  4x32 KBytes            
L1 Inst    4x32 KBytes
Level 2   4x256
Level 3        8 MBytes
Cores 4  Threads 4

Cache
 L1-D size 32 KBytes x4
Descriptor  8 way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L1-I 32 KBytes x4
Descriptor  8- way set associative, 64 Bytes line size      
L2    256  KBytes x4
Descriptor  8- way set associative, 64 Bytes line size
L3    8 MBytes x1
Descriptor  16- way set associative, 64 Bytes line size

Mainboard
 EVGA 132-BL-E758 Tylersburg
 Chipset  X58 Rev 12
 Southbridge  8201JR (ICHIOR)
 LPCID Fintek F71882F

Bios
 Phoenix Technologies LTD, Ver 6.00 PG Date 3/27/09
 Graphic Interface Linkwidth x16  Max Supported x16

Memory                              
 DDR3 Triple channel 6144 MBytes              
 NB Frequency 3182.1 - 3188.7 MHz              
 Dram Frequency 795.5 - 797.0                    
 FSB: Dram   2:12                          
 Cas# Latency (CL)  8.0 Clocks                    
 Ras# to Cas# Delay (tRCD)  8.0 Clocks              
 Ras# Precharge (tRP)           8.0 Clocks            
 Cycle Time (tRAS)                24.0 Clocks            
 Command Rate (CR)           1T

SPD
Slot #1                           DDR3
Module Size            2048 MBytes
Max Bandwidth              PC3-10700H (667 MHz)
Manufacturer            Corsair
Part #                  CM3X2G1600C8D
SPD Ext            XMP


JEDEC            #1      #2      #3      XMP-1600
Freq            444      593      667      800
Cas# Latency      6.0      8.0      9.0      8.0
Ras# to Cas#      6      9      10      8
Ras# Precharge      6      9      10      8
tRAS                    16      22      25      24
tRC                    23      31      34      41
Command Rate                        2T
Voltage            1.5V      1.5V      1.5V      1.65V

                                   
OCCT V3.1.0
     
 CPU      1         77           2      77                3            76            4           76
 CPU      1         44
 Voltage Vcore  1.48V      3.3V   3.31-3.36V     5V  5.05V        12V   12.18V
 
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Reply #1 - May 27th, 2009 at 9:57pm

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-------------->Voltage Vcore  1.48V

I think you have something wrong there.. I never posted that kind of voltage for i7



Where on gods earth did you get that voltage from?

75c IDLE?

You best get that BIOS set back to default because that temp is NOT safe


Right now you have hit the 100c limit on the processor and you are lucky to even have a processor.. I mean that!



Even after I post the right settings, the Coolmaster V8 may not be able to handle a full on 4GHz clock with i7.. I do not have time to post it tonight but I will try and get a BIOS list posted tomorrow.

Right now you need to get that BIOS set BACK to default before you lose a 1000$ processor
 
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Reply #2 - May 27th, 2009 at 10:38pm

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Your builder apparently does not know what they are doing

The Coolmaster V8 may not handle a full 4GHz i7 clock but a 75c idle temp is well into the danger zone

with you hitting 100c you are lucky you still have a processor

If you do not know what you are doing and they dont, I suggest you get this system to someone who does before you fry a 1000$ processor




This should be your BIOS here and regardless of the right values to start off... clocking requires experience:


ASUS P6T DELUXE V2 Template 965 4GHz DDR3 1600 8-8-8-24

About the Corsair 8-8-8 memory.. its OK but 6-6-6 or 7-7-7 memory would have been a-LOT better

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: MANUAL
CPU Ratio Setting: 30x
Intel ® SpeedStep ™ Tech: DISABLED
Intel ® Turbo Mode Tech: DISABLED
BLCK Frequency: 133
PCIE Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1600
UCLK Frequency: 3200 (should be 2x the DRAM Frequency)
QPI Link Data Rate: (AUTO SHOULD WORK) This can be raised but may cause instability.





DRAM Timing Control:


==============================
NOTE: CHART FOR MEMORY SETTINGS in CPUz to BIOS:

CPUz found here: http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpuz/cpuz_151_setup.exe

CPUz VALUE - BIOS LIST = VALUE

CAS# Latency (CL) - DRAM CAS# LATENCY =8
RAS# to CAS# Delay (tRCD) - DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay = 8
RAS# Precharge (tRP) - DRAM RAS# PRE TIME =8
Cycle Time (tRAS) - DRAM RAS# ACT TIME=24
===========================



1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 8
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 8
DRAM RAS# PRE Time: 8
DRAM RAS# ACT Time: 24
DRAM RAS# to RAS# Delay: AUTO
DRAM REF Cycle Time: AUTO
DRAM Write Recovery Time: AUTO
DRAM Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
DRAM FOUR ACT WIN Time: AUTO
DRAM Back-To-Back CAS# Delay: AUTO

2nd Information :

DRAM Timing Mode: 1N (same as CMD 1T in CPUz)
DRAM Round Trip Latency on CHA: AUTO
DRAM Round Trip Latency on CHB: AUTO
DRAM Round Trip Latency on CHC: AUTO

3rd Information :

DRAM WRITE To READ Delay (DD): AUTO
DRAM WRITE To READ Delay (DR): AUTO
DRAM WRITE To READ Delay (SR): AUTO
DRAM READ To WRITE Delay (DD): AUTO
DRAM READ To WRITE Delay (DR): AUTO
DRAM READ To WRITE Delay (SR): AUTO
DRAM READ To READ Delay (DD): AUTO
DRAM READ To READ Delay (DR): AUTO
DRAM READ To READ Delay (SR): AUTO
DRAM WRITE To WRITE Delay (DD): AUTO
DRAM WRITE To WRITE Delay (DR): AUTO
DRAM WRITE To WRITE Delay (SR): AUTO

CPU Voltage: FIND LOWEST STABLE VALUE - 4GHz typically between 1.32 to 1.42v<-- MAX! LOWER IS BETTER!.. Lowest stable voltage.. you must find that value!
CPU PLL Voltage: AUTO
QPI/DRAM Core Voltage: 1.35-1.40 = set to 1.35
IOH Voltage: AUTO
IOH PCIE Voltage: AUTO
ICH Voltage: AUTO
ICH PCIE Voltage: AUTO
DRAM Bus Voltage: 1.65 to 1.70 MAX - Typically 1.65 or 1.66
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHA: AUTO
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHA: AUTO
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHB: AUTO
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHB: AUTO
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHC: AUTO
DRAM DATA REF Voltage on CHC: AUTO


Load Line Calibration: ENABLED
CPU Differential Amplitude: AUTO (note: .800mv may stabilize higher clock) rarely needed
CPU Clock Skew: AUTO (100ps if used to stablize clock) rarely needed
CPU Spread Spectrum: DISABLED
IOH Clock Skew : AUTO (100ps if used to stablize clock) rarely needed
PCIE Spread Spectrum: DISABLED


Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 30x
C1E Suppport: DISABLED
Hardware Prefetcher: ENABLED
Adjacent Cache Line Prefetch: ENABLED
Intel� Virtualization Tech: DISABLED
CPU TM Function: (ENABLED = PROTECTED - DISABLED = ALLOW FULL FUNCTION WITHOUT PROTECTION) Typically DISABLED
Execute Disable Bit: DISABLED
Intel ® HT Techology: DISABLED (ENABLED FOR APPLICATIONS THAT USE HYPERTHREAD -WILL HEAT PROC)
Active Processor Cores: ALL
A20M: DISABLE
Intel ® SpeedStep ™ Tech: DISABLED
Intel ® Turbo Mode Tech: DISABLED
Intel ® C-STATE Tech: DISABLED





Assuming stable boot and verify SPEEDs in CPUz.. stress test using OCCT 1hr Automatic CPU test..

http://www.ocbase.com/perestroika_en/index.php?Download


Set the TEMP FAIL in the properties to 80c

Use REALTEMP v3.0 or above to monitor temps during the test to verify with OCCT <80c

http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/

Set the TJMAX in the REALTEMP settings to 100c


Run the OCCT test.. if its stable at you initial CPU Voltage of 1.35 and remains under 80c, your fine..

if it fails and you remained <80c raise CPU Voltage from 1.35 to 1.36 and retest.

repeat

If temp hits 80c the OCCT test should fail automatically so if you see a failure verify if it is a temp fail or core fail before raising CPU Voltage

Typically it can take anywhere from 1.34 to 1.42v CPU Voltage to run 3.8 to 4.0GHz

The goal is to find the lowest CPU Voltage with the highest CPU speed and not exceed 80c and remain stable in a 1hr load test.



 
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Reply #3 - May 28th, 2009 at 1:41am

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Thank you Nick.  I had a guy who I believed new what he was doing and I gave him all of your posts to comply with.

Sincerely thank you I hope no damage has been done.

Lynn
 
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Reply #4 - May 28th, 2009 at 1:44am

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Nick,

Is the Corsair 8-8-8 memory a setting thing or did I buy the wrong memory to get the 6-6-6 or 7-7-7

Lynn
 
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Reply #5 - May 28th, 2009 at 1:30pm

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lfishe wrote on May 28th, 2009 at 1:44am:
Nick,

Is the Corsair 8-8-8 memory a setting thing or did I buy the wrong memory to get the 6-6-6 or 7-7-7

Lynn



I went by the information you posted and assumed it was the Corsair 8-8-8 product

Is that what you have installed?


CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB DDR3 1600
Max Bandwidth              PC3-10700H (667 MHz)
Manufacturer            Corsair
Part #                  CM3X2G1600C8D <----thats the 8-8-8-24 product


DDR3 1600 2x3GB

6 timing

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000170147%201052330...

7 timing

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227381




You are using the EXTREME processor so to LOWER CPU speed, you DROP the CPU multiplier, but everything else except the CPU VOLTAGE remains the same

With the settings I posted above and the Collmaster V8 you may only be able to hit 3.7/3.8HGz with a lower Vcore stable and stay under 80c

You or your builder must work out CPU Voltage and CPU Multiplier to find the highest speed stable with the lowest CPU VOLTAGE and remain<80c in the 1hr OCCT test


With 3.7/3.8 a guess about CPU Voltage would be somewhere between 1.25 and 1.35v


 
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Reply #6 - May 29th, 2009 at 4:06am

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Thanks again Nick. 

Lynn
 
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Reply #7 - May 29th, 2009 at 3:06pm

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I missed something... this is a EVGA motherboard

Sorry.. the BIOS setting I posted above are in fact correct/safe but they are for the Asus motherboards. EVGA may have different methods of calculating voltages so the settings I posted will most likely be different

I do not use the EVGA products.. and I know their x58 motherboards are different from Asus with respect to settings.. so the bottom line with this is you need to take that list above and get it to someone who works with the EVGA boards and knows/understands the differences.. most likely they will have a different method of calculating QPI voltage which is QPI/DRAM on the Asus boards. They may also handle UCLK Frequency a bit different as in they may ask for a multiplier instead of a strait frequency value.

But none the less, the settings I posted above will be the equivalents to the correct values on the EVGA board.


 
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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2009 at 10:43pm

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Thank you again.  I am reading all the time now on this stuff because I find just as in business it seems I need to know allot about what I am having done, so I know the concepts well enough to recognize the truth from fiction.  ie Lawyers, Accountants, etc.

Thank,s
Lynn.
 
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Reply #9 - May 31st, 2009 at 6:34pm

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as was mentioned in another forum.. after the voltages are established and in order, which with the coolmaster v8 I am not really sure you will hit 4Ghz under 80c, the person checking it out may want to inspect the install of the heat sink.

You wont know if there is a problem in that area until eveything else is in place settings wise. I would say off the top of my head the CM v8 will probably do 3.8GHz @ somewhere around 1.28 to 1.35v CPU Voltage and run just under 80c. If you are still seeing excessive temps after eveything is set up correctly then the person checking it out needs to look further at not only the heatsink/install but the airflow in the tower too.. i7 needs a good tower to breathe and cool off

 
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Reply #10 - Jun 1st, 2009 at 2:34pm

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Thanks again,

Lynn
 
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Reply #11 - Jun 1st, 2009 at 5:36pm

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no problem..   and sorry about the other thread.  Grin

Its not that Max was 'dead-wrong' in his guess as we tried to explain..  its the fact that it was just a guess,.. something you dont need any more of that at this point.  Smiley

As mentioned over there.. let me know how you make out with the tech and we can go from there.

I am really tied up right now and just do not have time to break away for much. I spent way too much time over at AVSIM as it is.



 
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