OMG, I mean reallly, I had to leave the everyday news sites and come over here to escape what i'm now hearing and just now being released to news media across the World-Wide Globe,,,,,

It went from a school shooting 1 person killed to now their announcing 27 or more kids killed in that shooting!

Geshhh, whats going on out here, everybody going bonkers or something,,, ????

is there something in the Water thats making humans totally lose it or what ??

I'm NOT drinking anymore water for a while - 

Think I'll stick to ORANGE JUICE for quite sometime 

this is just Crazy, Ridlicious, Sadd and makes me upset seeing & hearing this !

NEWS BULLITIN : http://www.cbsnews.com/

27 Children Dead - from Shooter ,,, god this makes ya madd & upset no excuse for it whatso ever !


BREAKING NEWS BULLITIN : http://www.cnn.com/

I have no words suitable....>>>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248197/Sandy-Hook-elementary-shooting-2...

Paul.

H

...and another, from a few days ago....>>>

Oregon:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20698095

(One which I followed, in an exercise to identify the shooters ancestry from his facial features).

A World full of Guns.

Paul.
   

The 1 Thing i've noticed in the last 10 to 12 years is this - 

these Shooters, are all 30 yr.old or Under ! 

under 30 somethings !

Coincedence ?

Well, its that particular Generation, in particular that back in the 1990's era, is about the same time that The VIDEO GAME market started to Explode, and come about, and  those Violent Video Games, shoot em' and Kill, and Murder Video Games .

Back in 1996 and again in 1998 there was talk about all this how these Violent Video games played by young kids could easily influence them or confuse them and Distort the Perception of Reality and Life in General.

Meaning, that after playing hours upon hours of those types of Violent Games, they could possibly percieve this as how to handle a situtation in real life, there was a lotta Debate about this back in the 1990's, and we were WARNED about this, that when this particular Generation grew up and got older, we could expect to see things like this happen - and they wanted those Violent Video Games pulled off the Market and unavailable for sale.

The end result instead was - a Warning label on the outside of the Box, was sufficent enough ! 

Another contributing Factor, was the Lyrics of some of the RAP Music that was coming out - Advocating Guns, Shootings, Worshipping & Idiolizing Guns, Drugs, Gangs etc. 

We've all seen & heard how many  of those so-called RAP artists have been murdered or sent to prision !!

As I sit back and look at it - and develop Tunnel-Vision, everything they said and stated earlier in the past is coming true so far, as Ridlicious as it is and as Insane and Ignorant as it may seem, there is quite a bit of Truth to what they were trying to WARN us about and so far - they've been right on' with their predictions , too badd so many refuse to see and believe it or acknowledge it and comprehend it as its happening !

When I was growing up in the 1960's &1970's era - we didn't have all those Violent Venues Shoved down our throats , we found entertaing things to do, ride bicycles, actually go outside and play with other kids , build forts, play ball, make things, work on things, our bikes or something - go Fishing, hiking, Swimming in the Lakes or ponds or the Creek

We Weren't sitting around for hours on end with some plastic controller in our hands trying to Shoot murder Badd guys on some Video Game for hours upon hours on end trying to get to the next Level where can can Blow things up !!! 

The Music we listened to was more Happy & upbeat ,than this RAP music advocating how badd things are, and advocating & Glorifying Guns, Drugs, Shootings, being in a Gang Robberies Car Jackings etc. 

From what I'm seeing and witnessed and actually lived thru - the last 35 years, it was that 1990's Sub Culture and Technology that many of these kids grew up on of that particular Generation that has attributed to much of this - and its NOT just the Technology and the advancement of Violent Video Games - but also the way the Medical profession is attempting to treat Society now - with getting everybody on some sort of PILL for this, and a PILL for that, and yet another PILL for this - before ya know it - these Doctors are Brewing a very Toxic Brew inside the human Mind & Body, a Ticking Time Bomb !!! 

But Ohhhh Wait - we got another PILL - for that ! 

and so now the "TOXIC Time  Bomb" has been set and place, just sit back and wait for it to fully Erupt and watch what happens !     

Notice as far as I know to Date - out of all these Shootings - NOT 1 of these Doctors or  supposed Medical Professionals have even been held Accountable or the Pharmseutical Industry ???

Now what does that remind of of recently ??

The Corrupt Bankers & Wall Street Crowd who have seemingly got away with they did, hardly any of those Bank Excecutives & CEO's have gone to Prision for what they've done - Coincedence ???

Do or has any of these Doctors ever gone to PRISION or been indicted for over prescribing medications for their mentally ill patients who just went out and went totally Bonkers !!

Amazing how they all seem so amazingly Innocent within all this !    

Amazingly - its more about the Almighty Dollar from some of these Doctors and drug companies as to how much money they can make by Shoving PILL after PILL at us and brewing up their TOXIC Brew to eventually turn Brains into absolute Mush causing all kinds of Havoc upon us ! 

Well its happening, just as they said it would 10-15 years ago, as they said it would and now were seeing the end results from all this and I must say I'm NOT at all Amused - its very Sickening and Pathetic and outright Disgusting !!! 

Think its time to Wake up and pay little more attention and Quit pretending it isn't happening or doesn't excist or isn't happening !

as far as I'm concerned it isn't GUNS that are the True problem - its mentality behind it all !

Drunks in cars kill people all the time , yet I don't hear anybody Advocating to take away all cars trucks bikes !

If GUNS weren't available and were never manufactured - they'd use knives, Axes , Machetes or Chain Saws or some other type of instrument as a Weapon .

Go Ahead chime in, lets hear your thoughts !!! 

Thank You, have a nice peaceful Holliday Season a Happy Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year too all Sim Pilots & Moderators Scenery Designers and Aircraft Designers !

I personally think it has to do as much with the growing population as much as it does with games and rappers.
There is a difference,playing a GAME that involves selecting a weapon and pointing a crosshair over somebody or HEARING someone saying it's all great and amazing.

And as I said,it has to do with the population as well,look at the % of the population that behaves like that

I am going to be very very blunt here.

Gun control is NOT the issue. Guns have been in private American citizens hands for decades and yet these mass shootings were not an issue. 99.999% of gun owners are law-abiding citizens. 100% of gun using criminals are not.

What IS the issue is attention to special needs people. My in-laws had a string of really bad luck. After my wife was born they could not get pregnant so adopted eventually 2 kids. A girl and boy. Both ended up being the victims of fetal alcohol abuse. The girl is 100% capable of caring out a mass shooting and we all now it. She is completely unstable but she is still just a 14 year old girl that needs care. The boy is a sweat heart but heavily handicapped. The girl (I will just call her M), on many occasions had to have 2+ police officers restrain her. Yet STILL, gov't aid extremely limited for my in-laws. Time after time public school officials and doctors at places like Pine Rest (mental hospital) say there is NOTHING WRONG WITH EITHER OF THE KIDS!!!!!!
Time and time again the community shuns my in-laws. Time and time again the special needs kids are shunned and mistreated by average people.

So no,  gun control is not the damn issue. The issue is people completely ignoring and mistreating all these broken individuals that carry out these horrible acts.

The common thread in these shootings (besides the obvious presence of guns) is a broken shooter. Someone that has not been treated well and needs help bad. One person showing some love and attention to this shooter could have saved all those lives lost yesterday. But you know what, in our (myself and in-laws) experiences, the average person will refuse to step up and offer to help with special needs for whatever reason.



So instead of arguing for/against gun control, lets think about the type of people carrying out these acts. Lets think about giving these people some help!

To be blunt, I guarantee anyone here not a special needs care specialist reading this cannot handle 'M'. She is so damaged she needs daily professional help and lots of medication. She has threatened and tried to kill many many people including her classmates. All the community does is tell my in-laws they are bad parents. No help.

WARNING: DO NOT ARGUE WITH ME ON THIS! If you have not experienced what it is like dealing with special needs people at their worst you have no idea what it is like trying to handle them. Just watch the news though and you can see how bad it can get.

wahubna wrote on Dec 15^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

I'm not going to argue. However, if you're implying that these mass shootings are carried out by special needs people it might be sensible to keep them well away from firearms.

Very few people have "special needs". What they do have is a lack of understanding from consequences and knowing what the word NO means. All of which can be linked back to lack of discipline and arty farty teaching methods.

Matt

Not that i'm arguing, but a little look at the us weapon industry and their "power" in managing us laws on the subject, might give some answers.
Free to shoot

I think the press is the biggest embarassment in the whole scale of things. If you reread my first comment here, I was going by what was being reported at that time. Big mistake. The police should run them out of town and make them wait until the facts are clear. A state trooper was assigned to each grieving family to keep the press away and insure some privacy for them.

California Shopping Mall Shooting happening Now !

News Link ; http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57559424/calif-mall-on-lockdown-after-shots-...

Hospital Shooting in Alabama Happening:
http://news.msn.com/us/police-kill-gunman-who-wounded-3-at-ala-hospital?ocid=ans... 

CASINO & Hotel Shooting Happened last Night : 

News Link : http://news.msn.com/us/police-2-dead-after-shooting-at-las-vegas-hotel?ocid=ansn...

I'm goin back and Hide in my Concrete Bunker 150 feet down in the earth and Fly on my Flight Simulator with some of Milton Shupes Aircraft - 

Meanwhile, wanna contact me - use Morse Code - I'm outta here !     

Food for thought...>>>

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2012/12/connecticut...

Paul.

Fozzer wrote on Dec 16^th, 2012 at 10:46am:


Or they could make pipe bombs and do it even faster than a gun...again its the killer that needs attention.

The US gov't already followed the train of thought in that article Paul. Once you could not buy semi automatic weapons with more than 5 rnds internal capacity (except handguns). It was incredibly unpopular because a lot of historic arms had to be altered and even some very small caliber weapons were altered.

Paul, when I was 19 I tried buying ammo for my .22LR Ruger 10/22 to go small game hunting. I did this every weekend all summer but suddenly I could not buy .22LR because it is used in pistols..HOWEVER, I could buy assault rifle ammo.. Likewise I could NOT buy a handgun regardless of caliber but COULD buy very lethal assault rifles..Now that I am over 21 I can do either. But isn't that just stupid?! The US gov't is completely incompetent at writing logical regs.


Not MORE gun control! Like taxes, FAA Regs, and healthcare regs, MORE is not better!!! They need to be 1) better enforced and 2) better written.
Throw away all the current gun control and start from scratch with modern high caliber semi-automatic high capacity assault rifles with the most regulation. It would be escalating legislation which would not harm small caliber plinkers (like my 10/22), hunting weapons, and historic guns (like M1 Garands). Again, MODERN assault rifles (like M4s, Sig556, AK-47, etc) are stupidly dangerous and should be regulated. Personally I say regulate WHO owns them and under what conditions rather than force alterations to the guns (like welding or cutting stuff on them). Mandatory physical alterations have destroyed countless historic pieces that ended up so badly altered they could not even end up in a museum.

This is not rocket science, it's just anti-gun people always scream "BAN!!!!" and pro-gun legislators are heavily against a ban. An outright Ban IS STUPID PERIOD. There is no logic behind an out-right ban, limitations and regulation sure, but bans NO.

A good way to piss off the gun community and guarantee strong opposition to any changes is to mention bans or physical alterations to guns. That WILL make all of us speak very loudly against any reform. But these 2 items are what is suggested the most. EVERY shooter and gun owner always can agree with more safety. If I have to get a psyc exam and background check to own an AR, I will gladly do it because THAT MAKES SENSE!!!! But I do not want the opportunity to own one taken away from me because of some anti-gun whiner in California. If that happens, then I want all their alcohol banned and taken away.

I would ask the anti firearm lobbiest what makes them think a ban on firearms is going to work in the USA? Just because some dudley doo-rite politicians create a ban doesn't mean every gun owner is going to drop to their knees and surrender all firearms. All a ban would do is make them illegal. And by the constitution, this would be an illegal ban.
I think this is something the anti crowd doesn't seem to think about as this would fail worse than the 'war on drugs' did.

Fozzer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:23am:


Oh, how i agree.

Fozzer wrote on Dec 17^th, 2012 at 7:23am:



As you posted a nondirectional post after mine I can't be sure you meant my comment or generalizing. Just to clear up what I meant.. since firearms control is the topic of the day in every newspaper, radio talk show and has even been mentioned here. I neither own a firearm nor take sides in the debate. I am simply saying that peeling 2 or 3 million firearms out of American hands is physically impossible and just banning them would take over 100 years to see any results. I am also sure 'glorifying' food in this thread has another time and place.. 

We should stop this topic right here right now.

This is not the place for it, come my fellow simmers, let us discuss less divisive topics.

My two cents worth:

If a madman wants to kill innocent people he will find a way.

Killers don't need guns to kill people.

Timothy McVeigh used fertilizer and diesel fuel....you don't see them outlawed

The 911 terrorist used box cutters and planes. These are still in use as well.

The Nazi's used cyanide gas.

Taking guns from innocent people will not protect innocent people.

The problem is not guns; it's the society that has created a path for evil to grow unimpeded and stifling the voice and teachings of good because it offends a minority of the population.

Apex wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:


Apex... ....

..have you considered entertaining the intruder with a sing-song on the old Gibson 6-string?.... ...!

Paul... .. ...!

Romulus111VADT wrote on Dec 18^th, 2012 at 1:01pm:


Ofcourse you're right.
A killer can kill another with one finger!!