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Nov 17th, 2012 at 2:43pm

michaelb15   Offline
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So I got that MD 83, and I took it on a quick flight to see how it flies.. I flew from Vancouver to Seattle/tacoma, and landed on rwy 16L

Well the systems are nothing like I am used to (that FMC is quite something!)

It all worked OK (at least for my first time ever attempting such a system  Grin Grin) until the landing.. I didn't crash or anything, and it was actually a pretty nice landing.. But it was on the side of the runway.. I wasn't able to take a pic, because it was happening all to quick, and I was online so there is no instant replay  Undecided
but I did a basic ILS approach, the FMC automatically put on approach hold once I was in range, it looked like it was lining up good, it was straight on, just it was off to the right of the runway...

the only autopilot I had on during landing was just Approach hold.. I shut off everything else when I was still a couple miles out. I don't know if that is what I am suppose to do? Is there a fully automatic landing that I am suppose to do?

I am somewhat new to the idea of ILS. Although I have done them before, they have always been skeptical.

If someone could help my dellema I would be thankful!

Safe landings! (just not with me!  Roll Eyes)
 

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Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:25am

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Is this the freeware md80? You need to put the course heading and NAV frequence in, then you should have the autopilot on?
 

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Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 9:43am

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I believe that the ILS transmitter buildings are generally situated at the side of runways...radiating the signal from the side?
...(you would not want to collide with them in the centre of the runway!)... Shocked....

For that reason, I suspect that pilots always switch the Autopilot fully off...and finally land using manual control adjustments only.

I always switch the Autopilot completely off, and re-trim, on final approach..

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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2012 at 2:50am

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Fozzer is correct, the ILS system is usually either well before the runway or adjacent to it. many pilots disconnect and manually land the plane below 1000ft. Aircraft with Autoland systems have computers that can calculate and compensate for the offset beacons.
 

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Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm

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I am using the FSND MD 83 located here:

what is really funny is I tried the same landing again, (I did a touch and go the first time) and I ended up on the other side of the runway  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Here is some pics:

This is what the autopilot is set to:
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Everything looks good here:
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I am on virtually the same flight path I took the first time (A little off to the right)
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But instead of being on the right side, I ended up on the left!!!
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I have not tried piloting this aircraft since... I am afraid the passengers might tell my boss Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


But really... 2 landings.. the same settings... and I landed on the opposite side of the runway.

BTW the runway is 16L of Seattle/Tacoma airport.

I will try turning off the autopilot once I am within visual range, but I thought the hole purpose of ILS is "Instrument Landing System"... meaning it automates landing (almost?)

But thankyou for the help! I will try these suggestions (and some ideas of my own) So stand clear!!!  Grin Grin You will never know were I will crash impact land. Safest bet would be to stay in the bunker!  Grin
 

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Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2012 at 12:24pm

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I've had so-so success (with different aircraft) using ILS and have learned that it will get you centered on the runway some of the time.  I thought my failures might be due to an error in the runway heading (from the airport info on the map page).
On a side note, I really enjoy flying the ALROT-tweaked MD83 except on landing.  The darn plane calls me name and insults me just before I touch ground...it says "Retard! Retard!" Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I mean, I know my flying isn't great but there's no need to hurl insults! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
(please note the sarcasm...I really do enjoy ALL of ALROT's work) Wink
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 23rd, 2012 at 1:05pm

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michaelb15 wrote on Nov 22nd, 2012 at 7:41pm:

I will try turning off the autopilot once I am within visual range, but I thought the whole purpose of ILS is "Instrument Landing System"... meaning it automates landing (almost?)


The autopilot should only be treated as a tool, guiding you in the general direction of the active runway, at the correct glide-slope heights....step by step.
Make sure you are intercepting the glide-slope at the correct height above ground, depending upon your distance from the runway.
It is not designed to fully land you automatically...safely!

...and make sure that you are landing on the correct end of the active runway, following the advice from ATIS.
(Note the use of the "BC" (back-course) button on your ILS Radio).

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Reply #7 - Nov 24th, 2012 at 7:06am

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Quote:
I thought the whole purpose of ILS is "Instrument Landing System"... meaning it automates landing (almost?)


An ILS simply allows you to land by instrument (when you cannot see the runway)..  the localizer and glide-slope guide a pilot down to decision height..

An approach capturing auto-pilot is just a luxury, to be used AFTER a pilot has mastered instrument approaches himself, hence fully understanding them Smiley
 
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Reply #8 - Nov 24th, 2012 at 2:03pm

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Brett_Henderson wrote on Nov 24th, 2012 at 7:06am:
Quote:
I thought the whole purpose of ILS is "Instrument Landing System"... meaning it automates landing (almost?)


An ILS simply allows you to land by instrument (when you cannot see the runway)..  the localizer and glide-slope guide a pilot down to decision height..

An approach capturing auto-pilot is just a luxury, to be used AFTER a pilot has mastered instrument approaches himself, hence fully understanding them Smiley


Well said!
 
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