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Nov 16th, 2012 at 12:21pm

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I seem to have trouble with carrier landings, here's my standard practice:

Spawn at Midway Atoll
place AICarrier at 10 nm away
take off and keep at 200 IAS until ~5 nm out
slow to 160-170 until <1 nm out
slow to 150 or less for landing

I land with the nose about 5 degrees up and always plow it into the deck, with crashes off, I land.
With them on I crash, any help?
 
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Reply #1 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 4:37pm

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what are you flying? some plane's gear is more tolerant than others Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #2 - Nov 16th, 2012 at 4:39pm

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Default F/A-18 Hornet
 
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Reply #3 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 3:01am

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1. Is your tailhook down ?
2. Are you hitting the arrestor cable area ?
3. Are you on the glideslope and therefore keeping the Meatball green ?

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Reply #4 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 8:05am

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I have the same problem with the default F18. Tomcat no problem but the F18 always seems to bury it's nose gear when the cable catches.

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Reply #5 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 11:28am

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I'm using the "aicarrier program and just love it. I haven't tried the default f-18 as I only use WWII props and NO tailhooks. It's much more fun.  Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #6 - Nov 17th, 2012 at 4:09pm

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Tail hook down,

Last or second to last cable (Mabye part of the problem)

Never paid attention to the meatball, I'll need to try that
 
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Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2012 at 12:44am

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I maybe wrong here , but I think that the approach has to be within certain limits both of being aligned with the centre line and the glideslope .
the glideslope will be in the vicinity of 3 to 3.5 degrees.
The Meatball is green when within approach parameters.

Unable to test as I do not have AIcarriers , I only use the freeware Nimitz and Carriers 2006 .

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Reply #8 - Nov 18th, 2012 at 5:13pm

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Like in real life you should never land with more than 30% of fuel on board.  Also the Gear-Damage-Threshold of the FSX FA-18 is 1600 fpm, which is more stringent than many 3rd party add-on fighters.  You can fix this if you're comfortable with editing Aircraft.cfg files.  Go to Gear section, the 4th numbers from left, change all 3 gear numbers, I raise my to 2400 fpm.  Also the ideal alpha for the FA-18 is 8.1 when landing.
 
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Reply #9 - Nov 18th, 2012 at 5:29pm

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nnd816 wrote on Nov 18th, 2012 at 5:13pm:
Like in real life you should never land with more than 30% of fuel on board.  Also the Gear-Damage-Threshold of the FSX FA-18 is 1600 fpm, which is more stringent than many 3rd party add-on fighters.  You can fix this if you're comfortable with editing Aircraft.cfg files.  Go to Gear section, the 4th numbers from left, change all 3 gear numbers, I raise my to 2400 fpm.  Also the ideal alpha for the FA-18 is 8.1 when landing.


I didn't know about the fuel thing,

and the gear doesn't break, testing with crashes off show that after it plows it's nose into the deck it's fine.
could you explain what "alpha" is?
 
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Reply #10 - Nov 18th, 2012 at 7:44pm

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Hello SkyHawk00

Alpha is the Angle-of-Attack, in the real FA-18 the ideal alpha for landing is 8.1 degrees but in FSX it's lower, 5-7 degrees or even lower depends on weight and speed.

Are you approaching too fast or too high?  In either case you can crash easily as happened to me a few times.

The ideal landing scenario for the FA-18 follows:
    -Fuel on board should be 30% or less.
    -Approach speed should be 140-145 knots.
    -Alpha in the 5-7 degrees range.
    -Keep an eye on the Meatball, if you're too high or too
     low just go around.   
 
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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 4:09am

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The following is from a file available here at at simviation under FSX Military  titled F/A-18 combat version.
I highlighted in bold a bit about smoother landings , it might be of use.
I have not tried it as I no longer use the default F/A-18 ,
I only use the F-111 , F-14, and the VRS superbug for Carriers.

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This is the Acceleration F/A-18 Hornet equipped with 20mm M61 cannon and a fully functional air-to-air gun mode found in the real F/A-18. With the two radar modes, the two gun sights and the flying tracers, the virtual dogfight will be very similar to a real one. You will not be able to shoot down other aircraft, but you will receive an immediate indication on your HUD if a bullet hit the bandit. The flight model is unchanged from the Acceleration F/A-18 except for allowing manually controlled flaps and reducing the arresting wire tension for smoother carrier landings. The HUD is an upgrade of the Realistic F/A-18 HUD by Jivko Rusev and Scott Printz, which allows ILS and TACAN navigation for aircraft carriers. You will also get a couple of additional gauges - an In-Flight Refueling Gauge, PLAT Camera and a Carrier Landing Gauge. By Jivko Rusev.
 
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 5:00am

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Interesting...
I didn't realise it was even possible to adjust the amount of tension on the arresting wires. Presumably this is simulated within the aircraft.cfg.
I wonder if it is possible to modify the default F18's .cfg to achieve the same result?

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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2012 at 5:19am

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..reducing the fuel to 30% certainly makes a big difference and I am now able to land the F18 without ploughing the flight deck with the nose! Helps with the Tomcat also. Nice spot.
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Reply #14 - Nov 20th, 2012 at 3:01pm

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I finally got it to work  Grin Grin Grin
not sure what did the trick, but it all worked...
now to get rid of the roll after landing... might need to stop pulling the rudder...


Thanks for all the help
 
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