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Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:19am

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Right I've always wanted to play FSX with a lot of realistic add-ons for it. I downloaded FDC Live Cockpit but half of the time, it's out of sync. For example, when I'm on final, the co-pilot will say 'positive rate, gear-up' and the put the gear up.
This annoyed me so I just turned it off.

Anyway, there are a ton of video's of FSX video's on YouTube which portray really good realistic video's.

If there any payware add-ons I can purchase such as real sounds, cockpit chatter, camera views etc to increase my simulator experience?

Take a look at this video that I myself uploaded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Qf3WXpq-o&feature=plcp&context=C4a8d372VDvjVQa1...

Now take a look at this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK2N6OYPRwU

It's more or less a similar landing however it is much more realistic. How the hell do I get it like that? What add-ons if he using? What scenery?

I myself have the FlyTampa Kai Tak scenery and I love it only everything is rubbish. The clouds on my PC aren't detailed at all and if you take a look at his video, the clouds are in good detail.

I really desire to have a realistic experience.

Any ideas anyone? I can't tell you how much I'd appreciate it!

PS: I'm recording with Fraps - How the hell do I upload my video in HD? It's always in low quality
 
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Reply #1 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:46am

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There are tons of free addons out there, just do a search.
I allways first take a look at this place or
http://www.surclaro.com/
 
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Reply #2 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:52am

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Bass wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:46am:
There are tons of free addons out there, just do a search.
I allways first take a look at this place or
http://www.surclaro.com/



Thank you but I wanted some good payware one's so I can get the most realism out of my simulator.
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:06am

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TopCat747 wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:52am:
Bass wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 10:46am:
There are tons of free addons out there, just do a search.
I allways first take a look at this place or
http://www.surclaro.com/



Thank you but I wanted some good payware one's so I can get the most realism out of my simulator.


It doesn't need to be payware to look good etc but if it HAS to be payware here are some that I think would be good(I am not sure because I don't use payware)

Accu-feel
REX
ORBX scenery

And a freeware one for looks:
ENB bloom
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:10am

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I hate when people say that payware are like the highest an FS add-on can get in quality and ignore great freeware developers. Just look at Abacus' products and you'll see how wrong you are.
You want payware?:
PMDG
Aerosoft
ORBX
Iris
Lotus Sim
Virtavia
REX

Good freeware developers (at least the ones I can remember):
Dino Catteano
Alejandro Rojas Lucena (aka Alrot, here) (http://www.simviation.com/fsnd/menu.html)
Milton Shupe
And a lot more that are scattered around the internet.

For realistic terrain/clouds/water:
http://sites.google.com/site/aimecreations/freeware-fsx/grass-hd

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Please never rule out freeware add-ons...

Also, the quality of the payware might vary with your computer's specifications...
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 12:07pm

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Xpand wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 11:10am:
I hate when people say that payware are like the highest an FS add-on can get in quality and ignore great freeware developers. Just look at Abacus' products and you'll see how wrong you are.
You want payware?:
PMDG
Aerosoft
ORBX
Iris
Lotus Sim
Virtavia
REX

Good freeware developers (at least the ones I can remember):
Dino Catteano
Alejandro Rojas Lucena (aka Alrot, here) (http://www.simviation.com/fsnd/menu.html)
Milton Shupe
And a lot more that are scattered around the internet.

For realistic terrain/clouds/water:
http://sites.google.com/site/aimecreations/freeware-fsx/grass-hd

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Please never rule out freeware add-ons...

Also, the quality of the payware might vary with your computer's specifications...



Man, thank you so much for that cloud download. But I have some more questions if you excuse me:

What is Iris and Lotus? Are they scenery?

I really am a 'newbie' so please excuse me.
 
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Reply #6 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 12:12pm

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No problem!
I kinda gave you a generalized list of add-ons.
Iris and Lotus make airplanes, more on the military side but Iris has small civilian planes, like single props and private jets.
 
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Reply #7 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:01pm

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Xpand is absolutely right. There are a lot of freeware that is the quality of payware.

Iris, Tim Conrad, Cassidy Byars, FSN Development Group , Richard Sorochak, Gottfried Razek , Bill Lyons, Warwick Carter, Frank Dainese, Alrot, virtuavia, Jens B. Kristensen, Dino Cattaneo , Team KBT, Coral, Brett Henderson, Manfred Jahn, Mario Noriega, Premier Aircraft Design, Eagle Rotorcraft, Kirk Olsson, Milton Shupe and many, many more.
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 18th, 2012 at 9:54pm

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If you are looking for good freeware, anything by Milton Shupe is as good as any payware plane I have ever seen.  His Spartan Executive is my favorite...

As for where to get them, there's this site called 'Simviation' and they have quite a few there.  Wink
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 5:03am

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If you are interested in flying in England and want to see real scenery as the real pilot sees then Horizon Gen. X photo scenery is it.
 
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Reply #10 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 11:44am

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pete wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
Xpand is absolutely right. There are a lot of freeware that is the quality of payware.

Iris, Tim Conrad, Cassidy Byars, FSN Development Group , Richard Sorochak, Gottfried Razek , Bill Lyons, Warwick Carter, Frank Dainese, Alrot, virtuavia, Jens B. Kristensen, Dino Cattaneo , Team KBT, Coral, Brett Henderson, Manfred Jahn, Mario Noriega, Premier Aircraft Design, Eagle Rotorcraft, Kirk Olsson, Milton Shupe and many, many more.


I would be agree with such a list.
When the community talks about "payware quality", they actually refer to the best quality ones, not the Abacus crap. I'm a freeware lover and I know very well the names written above, but for some of them I would never call them "payware quality" at all, because that would be a lie.

That being said, there ARE some real "payware-quality" freewares, top of the notch planes that not only look beautiful inside and out, but also fly very realistically and have a very detailled avionic. But they are EXTREMELY RARE. Same goes for sceneries, there are really some gems here and there.

The best thing I would advise to a new simmer is simply to take the time to go through the "freeware screenshots showcase" and "payware screenshots showcase" sections of the forum, look at the screenshots there, and ask politely to the original poster what are the addons and what level of quality they have. This would be the best way to spot and obtain informations about the best addons out there. Just asking "what is the most realistic addon" will not get any precise answer.
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Reply #11 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 12:30pm

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Daube wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 11:44am:
pete wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
Xpand is absolutely right. There are a lot of freeware that is the quality of payware.

Iris, Tim Conrad, Cassidy Byars, FSN Development Group , Richard Sorochak, Gottfried Razek , Bill Lyons, Warwick Carter, Frank Dainese, Alrot, virtuavia, Jens B. Kristensen, Dino Cattaneo , Team KBT, Coral, Brett Henderson, Manfred Jahn, Mario Noriega, Premier Aircraft Design, Eagle Rotorcraft, Kirk Olsson, Milton Shupe and many, many more.


I would be very carefull with such a list.
When the community talks about "payware quality", they actually refer to the best quality ones, not the Abacus crap. I'm a freeware lover and I know very well the names written above, but for some of them I would never call them "payware quality" at all, because that would be a lie.

That being said, there ARE some real "payware-quality" freewares, top of the notch planes that not only look beautiful inside and out, but also fly very realistically and have a very detailled avionic. But they are EXTREMELY RARE. Same goes for sceneries, there are really some gems here and there.

The best thing I would advise to a new simmer is simply to take the time to go through the "freeware screenshots showcase" and "payware screenshots showcase" sections of the forum, look at the screenshots there, and ask politely to the original poster what are the addons and what level of quality they have. This would be the best way to spot and obtain informations about the best addons out there. Just asking "what is the most realistic addon" will not get any precise answer.


Maybe i misunderstand you, but are you not a little bit negative on freeware?
I would never pay for anything, i can get free, never.
I know how to find stuff for my 4 flight sims, (maybe others dont), and i never just look at screenshots, i try it in the sim. If it dont fit me, i delete it and go on with the next one.

I know nearly all of the names listed above, and i can add some more, and i must say, they are keeping flight sim "up there".  Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #12 - Mar 19th, 2012 at 1:09pm

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Bass wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 12:30pm:
Maybe i misunderstand you, but are you not a little bit negative on freeware?
I would never pay for anything, i can get free, never.
I know how to find stuff for my 4 flight sims, (maybe others dont), and i never just look at screenshots, i try it in the sim. If it dont fit me, i delete it and go on with the next one.

I know nearly all of the names listed above, and i can add some more, and i must say, they are keeping flight sim "up there".  Roll Eyes


Yes you misunderstood.
I am not being negative on the freeware stuff. As I wrote above, I am a freeware lover. Back when I was flying FS9 several years ago, I had ONLY freeware addons, for example.

Now what I'm trying to do is to avoid being "over-positive" on the freeware stuff. That's different. I also make my best to avoid being "over-positive" on the payware stuff. But nowadays I don't really like the meaning that some people give to "payware quality". There is clearly some clarifications needed here. Just like freewares, paywares have evolved in the past few years, so the expression "payware quality" has evolved too.

We can take a very simple example: the paywares that were made in the beginning of the FS9 era by Alphasim. These were plane that had nice interiors, and always a virtual cockpit, which was extremely rare for FS9 planes at that time. However, these virtual cockpits were often very limited in terms of functionnalities, and a lot of them were simply not clickable at all.

At that time, there were some well-known freeware planes that were said to be "payware-quality"... because they were actually payware quality ! For example, the F-16 and the Sabre from Kirk Olsson were the most beautifull aircraft models of that time: they had very good exterior models, and not only did they have virtual cockpits, but these cockpits looked good too ! They were not clickable but the Alphasim birds of the time were not either.

Today however, the comparison is not valid anymore. The Sabre from Kirk is not "payware quality" anymore. It used to be a long time ago, but today it's not. However, if you consider the more recent freeware "Section F-8" Sabre, which has:
- a beautifull exterior model, with fantastic photorealistic textures
- a beautifull and almost fully clickable virtual cockpit with photorealistic textures too  Shocked
- a very realistic flight model
- a very interesting sound set
- a realistic avionic with a realistic startup procedure
- etc...
This freeware Sabre is DEFINITELY payware quality. Sure, it's a FS9 model, but it still compares fairly well with some recent paywares that are said to be realistic too.

This was just one of the many examples around. And it works in the other way as well, some (a lot of) paywares can be extremely dissapointing, for the visuals or the realism, or both !! I just wanted to insist on the fact that calling some planes "payware quality" when they are not could be quite misleading for the newcomers. Thus the necessity to take the time to ask precise questions about a precise addon, to collect as much feedback as possible to finally take the decision to buy it or not if it's a payware, or to download it or not if it's a freeware.

Bass wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 12:30pm:
I would never pay for anything, i can get free, never.

Nobody would, but then you have to define precisely what "anything" is. Of course nobody would buy a product if they can find the SAME product for free. But this is not easy to find.

Let's say you want a good F-18 Super Hornet. You can have it for free! The Super Hornet by FS-KBT for FS9 looks nice, has a lot of variants and it has a virtual cockpit too. On the payware side, you have the VRS Super Hornet. Now, are you saying that you would never buy the VRS Super Hornet because you can have the FS-KBT Super Hornet for free ?
 
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Daube wrote on Mar 19th, 2012 at 11:44am:
pete wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
Xpand is absolutely right. There are a lot of freeware that is the quality of payware.

Iris, Tim Conrad, Cassidy Byars, FSN Development Group , Richard Sorochak, Gottfried Razek , Bill Lyons, Warwick Carter, Frank Dainese, Alrot, virtuavia, Jens B. Kristensen, Dino Cattaneo , Team KBT, Coral, Brett Henderson, Manfred Jahn, Mario Noriega, Premier Aircraft Design, Eagle Rotorcraft, Kirk Olsson, Milton Shupe and many, many more.


I would agree with such a list.
When the community talks about "payware quality", they actually refer to the best quality ones, not the Abacus crap. I'm a freeware lover and I know very well the names written above, but for some of them I would never call them "payware quality" at all, because that would be a lie.

That being said, there ARE some real "payware-quality" freewares, top of the notch planes that not only look beautiful inside and out, but also fly very realistically and have a very detailled avionic. But they are EXTREMELY RARE. Same goes for sceneries, there are really some gems here and there.

The best thing I would advise to a new simmer is simply to take the time to go through the "freeware screenshots showcase" and "payware screenshots showcase" sections of the forum, look at the screenshots there, and ask politely to the original poster what are the addons and what level of quality they have. This would be the best way to spot and obtain informations about the best addons out there. Just asking "what is the most realistic addon" will not get any precise answer.


Well said Daube. Almost all of my favorite addons I found though looking at screenshots here and finding out what they used.

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Thank you for the clearence, Daube, and i can follow you a long way.
But, as i can see, we are a bit different on the working side.
I dont care that much by clikking inside vc cockpit. Its too slow "when i'm flying at high speed". I do my clikking in 2d and enjoy scenery!
About the f18. Yes i would never buy the VRS Hornet. I can dl a free 2d cockpit for the stock f18 in fsx.
I get the scenery and thats what i'm looking for. Why flying if you only see instruments! Then its a work.
 
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Bass wrote on Mar 20th, 2012 at 10:34am:
Thank you for the clearence, Daube, and i can follow you a long way.
But, as i can see, we are a bit different on the working side.
I dont care that much by clikking inside vc cockpit. Its too slow "when i'm flying at high speed". I do my clikking in 2d and enjoy scenery!
About the f18. Yes i would never buy the VRS Hornet. I can dl a free 2d cockpit for the stock f18 in fsx.
I get the scenery and thats what i'm looking for.


That simply shows that you have, in fact, low "expectations" for aircrafts. You just want a Hornet to fly around over the scenery, you don't care if it really flies like a Hornet, or how it looks inside, or if the avionics are from a Hornet, or if it sounds like a Hornet. You don't care about how the real aircraft works. You are more focused on the fun of the flight itself and the exploration of the sceneries. Which is fine, because it's one of the many possible things to do in a sim.

My expectations, just like a good part of the serious simmers, is to learn how a plane looks like both outside and inside, to learn how it works, how to start it, how to use its avionics, and how to fly this plane. I want to master it like if it were the real thing. The default Acceleration Hornet will only allow a very small part of these. The FS-KBT Super Hornet will allow even less ! The VRS howeve, offers a MUCH complete experience on all points.

That doesn't prevent me from enjoying freeware planes. But when I have the choice between a payware and freeware version of a single plane, I will choose the one that is the most realistic, because realism is what I'm looking for, contrary to you Smiley
 
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"Low expectations"!
I've been flying for many years, so i dont expect anything but falling down.
I do gliders now, then i'm flying without help from anything but the wind.
Ever tried that?

Just a note. Not that i want to do it, but anyway. He sees scenery very fast  Smiley
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Some years ago, I went for a glider maiden flight (in real life, I mean). It was a 20 minutes flight above a very nice area in southern France. Before the flight, the instructor pilot asked me if I ever piloted a plane before. When I told him that I never piloted a real plane, but that I had several hundreds of hours in simulators, including for gliders, he laughed at me, telling that simulators are ridiculous and have nothing in common with real life, making fun of me, kind of...  Undecided

Then we took off (towed by a plane), and during flight he proposed me to take controls... and I just flew the glider alonside the hill (ridge lift due to wind), going back and forth, gaining altitude, doing U turns etc... The glider was performing/reacting EXACTELY like the default FS9 glider  Grin Needless to say, the instructor was not laughing at me anymore...  Roll Eyes The very cool part of it was when we passed right next to an Eagle who was hovering, facing the wind. We passed something like 10 meters away from this bird, and he didn't move... he just turned his head to look at us, like a cow watching a train  Grin Grin Then I made a U turn and the Eagle was still there, but this time he got bothered and flew away.

In FSX I fly gliders a lot. CumulusX is my favorite addon. It doesn't tranform FSX into Condor, but it gives a much more complete experience than default... and it's free Smiley



Concerning the Wingsuit, I'm actually learning to fly with these, in real life. I'm not using the same wingsuit as Jeb though, because I'm a total beginner. I use a smaller suit with smaller wings that allow me to recover to a "normal free fall" position in case I loose control in flight. Also, I jump from an airplane at 4000 meters, not from a wall at 4000 millimeters Tongue

Did you know ? Jeb Corliss had a terrible accident recently: he hit the rocks while trying to touch a balloon... Fortunately he survived, only his legs touched the rocks, not his upper body. He just had some broken bones... lucky guy. He'll be jumping again in some weeks/month without a doubt. Smiley
 
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Oh man.Then you also know what flying can be. The wind and nothing but the wind. Just by listen to it can make any dreams come true!
What i dont know is, why the eagle not turned away immediatly after taken a look at you  Shocked Smiley

About Corliss.
Yes i know it was close on the 16'th january. They even made a video of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEFCQRwj28w

and youre right, he will go on untill "the end".

Nice talking with you  Wink
 
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