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An M$ blast from the past! (Read 652 times)
Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 8:16am
Fozzer
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An elderly FS 2004 addict!
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Every now and again I have a discussion with myself, (much to the concern of my near neighbours!), which of my various collection of Flight Sims shall I try today?...
...!
...well..yesterday I wheeled out my trusty copy of FS 2002 for a flight around the Los Angeles Valley, and was pleasantly surprised at just how wonderfully it still performs, compared to our more modern versions of FS 2004 and FSX!
Following after FS '98 and FS 2000, FS 2002 really was a breath of fresh air to suddenly observe the "realistic" scenery for the first time!
FS 2000 was a bit of a wash-out, (except that we had a fantastic Flying Manual provided with it!), but the designers must have had a re-think, and came out with FS 2002, which was a vast improvement overall!
Even today, FS 2002 with the modern hardware available, and a few extra scenery, etc, bits and bobs added to it, it can almost rival FS 2004.
...., and even FSX!..
...
...!
There is no doubt that Microsoft were going in the right direction, at the time, with their various versions of proper; "Flight Simulators!"...
...!
Its just a shame that that vision seems to have got lost in the wilderness at the moment...
...!
Still...I've still got all my lovely copies of FS '98, 2000, 2002, 2004, and FSX...
So, all is not lost for me!...
...!
Paul...Somewhere, in a proper Flight Simulator!...
...!
Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
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Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 10:34am
expat
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I know you are normally to be found in the Bay Area Paul, to that end did you ever try the Flight Unlimited series. I loved it (and still do), though it is not to easy to configure throttles etc.
Matt
PETA
People Eating Tasty Animals.
B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400
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Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 12:05pm
Fozzer
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expat wrote
on Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 10:34am:
I know you are normally to be found in the Bay Area Paul, to that end did you ever try the Flight Unlimited series. I loved it (and still do), though it is not to easy to configure throttles etc.
Matt
Hello Matt!...
...!
FU2!....
...
...
...!
"Flight Unlimited" by Looking Glass Studios...bless 'em!...
..1
Yep! I Have FU I, II, and III still in their Boxes...
..!
Those are the Flight Sims that got me hooked into California flying, which I have done ever since!
I occasionally take FU II out for a tour of ' Frisco and the surrounding area...(I have the included FU II Sectional Chart in front of me now!).
Another of my favourites from the past (which I still use) is Pro Pilot '99, with its excellent ATC, and the wonderful Flight Manuals included in the box!
...and not forgetting "Fly!"...
And then there are all the old various Helicopter Sims..."Gunship", etc...!
So much fun from those old Flight Sims can still be had, even today...tears in my eyes...
...!
I am buried under boxes of Computer Flight Sims, Games, etc, since 1980 (Sinclair Spectrum/Commodore 64, etc),...and its lovely!...
....!
Paul...'Puter Nut!...
...!
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Mar 14
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, 2012 at 12:07pm
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One of the big things for me with FS 2004 was the MS bridges update. In San Fran Bay and New York Harbor, and other bridgey places, the bridge update really did it for me, whereas in FS 2002 they really don't make it.
As for NYC, I used to see and go over many of those bridges long ago, in fact, all of them at one time or other except for the GW Bridge, and also major bridges between Miami and NYC, like Chesapeake Bay, Delaware Memorial, & others.
So I gotta have good looking bridges.
The bridges are the main differences I've seen in FS 2004 vs FS 2002. As for the basic look, I prefer FS 2004, but get those bridges into FS 2002 (which you can't), and 02 vs 04 just might be a toss up.
With my old computer, I had to stick to FS 2002 to get frame rates, but my new Win07 system really brings out FS 2004.
I don't know anything about FSX, so can't compare. I don't have time to check it out, and am really quite happy with FS 2004 with all the add ons I've dropped into it.
But what really matter is what pleases you and works for you.
For me, I really get into bridge barnstorming. Hmm, that would be bridgestorming, maybe. Flying over, under, through, a real thriller. Too bad they didn't hard deck them.
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Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 12:24pm
Fozzer
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I occasionally try out my copy of FSX which I purchased when first released, but somehow I really cant get excited by it...
I have got so used to all the FS 2004 Menu options, etc, carried on from the previous versions, that I sometimes find FSX a bit infuriating to use!
Its "familiarity" that I like with FS 2004...Its an old, familiar friend!
...!
...and, of course "FS Navigator" gets us locked into it, as well..
...!
Paul...FS 2004...and all is well in the World!...
...!
Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.
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Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 12:29pm
Mike..
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Beer is the answer, I
can't remember the question.
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There were also two (I pretty sure 2) flight simulators simply called Fly and Fly 2. My dad has em somewhere but they were pretty decent. I seem to recall doing alot of bush flying in them as a child.Hmmmmm..I must google and investigate
Mike
EDIT--Ah Haaa!
http://pc.ign.com/objects/011/011649.html
There was also Fly2K then Fly!2
and I was in my mid 20s not a kid. I thought they had come out earlier but the first one was released in 99.
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Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 1:21pm
Fozzer
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Hereford. England. EGBS.
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Apex wrote
on Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 12:07pm:
One of the big things for me with FS 2004 was the MS bridges update. In San Fran Bay and New York Harbor, and other bridgey places, the bridge update really did it for me, whereas in FS 2002 they really don't make it.
As for NYC, I used to see and go over many of those bridges long ago, in fact, all of them at one time or other except for the GW Bridge, and also major bridges between Miami and NYC, like Chesapeake Bay, Delaware Memorial, & others.
So I gotta have good looking bridges.
The bridges are the main differences I've seen in FS 2004 vs FS 2002. As for the basic look, I prefer FS 2004, but get those bridges into FS 2002 (which you can't), and 02 vs 04 just might be a toss up.
With my old computer, I had to stick to FS 2002 to get frame rates, but my new Win07 system really brings out FS 2004.
I don't know anything about FSX, so can't compare. I don't have time to check it out, and am really quite happy with FS 2004 with all the add ons I've dropped into it.
But what really matter is what pleases you and works for you.
For me, I really get into bridge barnstorming. Hmm, that would be bridgestorming, maybe. Flying over, under, through, a real thriller. Too bad they didn't hard deck them.
Naughty Apex...
..!
No Bridges in FS 2002?...
...
Strange, I thought, so I just fired up my FS 2002, and lo and behold, the Cal Bridges are there, in all their glory...>>
Golden Gate Bridge, Bay Bridge (with Treasure Island), San Rafael Bridge, Martinez Road and Rail Bridges, Dumbarton Bridge, etc...
The same as FS 2004/FSX!...
...!
The California Highway Patrol are not best pleased Pilots who buzz their Bridges!
Paul...
...!
Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.
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Mar 14
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, 2012 at 5:29pm
andy190
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Always nice to fire up the old Sims Fozzer.
I myself have been "Testing" my Combat Flight Sims, Mainly CFS3.
She sure does look nice on my rig with all the settings maxed out.
I do have FS2002 somewhere & I think I installed it. Have to try it out later today with my Zombite Fighter.
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Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 6:43pm
striker
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Don't read this. Read
my post.
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I found FS98 recently when I was clearing some shelves. Not sure that is worth putting back due to the big pixels in the ground scenery but FS2002 was a great fun sim and you can do a heck of a lot with it
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Mar 14
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, 2012 at 8:18pm
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Fozzer wrote
on Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 1:21pm:
The California Highway Patrol are not best pleased Pilots who buzz their Bridges!
Paul...
...!
Today would be a good day to get away with it Paul, with all the rain we are having here in the bay area CHP is busy dealing with California's inability to drive in the rain. I passed six pile-ups on my way home from work today!
Buzz'em while you can!!
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Mar 15
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, 2012 at 8:28am
Apex
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The bridges are there in FS2002, but as I recall, look rather stringy, whereas in FS2004 they came out in fuller glory.
And that's the only way I can ever again see the NYC bridges as I'll never be able to go back for real.
I've also done some scenery updating in San Fran and NYC which helped, and also some kind of night lighting add on which brings out the bridge lights.
I don't have FS2002 installed anymore, so can't look back at it.
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Mar 15
th
, 2012 at 8:56am
Fozzer
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BigTruck wrote
on Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 8:18pm:
Fozzer wrote
on Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 1:21pm:
The California Highway Patrol are not best pleased Pilots who buzz their Bridges!
Paul...
...!
Today would be a good day to get away with it Paul, with all the rain we are having here in the bay area CHP is busy dealing with California's inability to drive in the rain. I passed six pile-ups on my way home from work today!
Buzz'em while you can!!
..
...
...!
Its a funny old do, But all the Photo Pictures you see of San Francisco and the Bay area are always sunny and inviting, (even in the Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry Movies, and Arnie's advertising), but in fact San Fran can be a very wet, misty, foggy place, at certain times, because of the on-shore Sea breezes, etc...
Golden Gate Bridge mostly disappears in the early morning Fog!
In my FS 2004 Flight Sim I am often grounded, or refused landing, by ATC, in my VFR flights, because of inclement 'Frisco weather!
Paul....
...!
Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.
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, 2012 at 11:31am
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As slow as my computer has been acting lately I thought for a moment I was using FS2 on an old Apple 2. Ahhh, nostalgia.
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, 2012 at 4:17am
expat
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Fozzer wrote
on Mar 15
th
, 2012 at 8:56am:
BigTruck wrote
on Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 8:18pm:
Fozzer wrote
on Mar 14
th
, 2012 at 1:21pm:
The California Highway Patrol are not best pleased Pilots who buzz their Bridges!
Paul...
...!
Today would be a good day to get away with it Paul, with all the rain we are having here in the bay area CHP is busy dealing with California's inability to drive in the rain. I passed six pile-ups on my way home from work today!
Buzz'em while you can!!
..
...
...!
Its a funny old do, But all the Photo Pictures you see of San Francisco and the Bay area are always sunny and inviting, (even in the Clint Eastwood Dirty Harry Movies, and Arnie's advertising), but in fact San Fran can be a very wet, misty, foggy place, at certain times, because of the on-shore Sea breezes, etc...
Golden Gate Bridge mostly disappears in the early morning Fog!
In my FS 2004 Flight Sim I am often grounded, or refused landing, by ATC, in my VFR flights, because of inclement 'Frisco weather!
Paul....
...!
Having relatives up the road at Santa Rosa and down the road in San Jose (cheap holidays
) San Francisco is a place that we enjoy visiting, but it is the only place I have ever been to were you need to take two sets of clothing with you. Winter woolies and a
rain
fog/drizzle jacket for the morning and shorts and t-shirt for midday onwards
Matt
PETA
People Eating Tasty Animals.
B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400
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, 2012 at 5:19am
Fozzer
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expat wrote
on Mar 16
th
, 2012 at 4:17am:
Having relatives up the road at Santa Rosa and down the road in San Jose (cheap holidays
) San Francisco is a place that we enjoy visiting, but it is the only place I have ever been to were you need to take two sets of clothing with you. Winter woolies and a
rain
fog/drizzle jacket for the morning and shorts and t-shirt for midday onwards
Matt
...
...
...!
I get the Kron4 News and weather forecasts e-mailed to me every day...>>>
http://www.kron.com/
...and its great fun setting up my Cal flights according to local weather conditions, FS 2004 Jeppesen real weather/REX weather avoidance system, etc...
Similar to Great Britain, the changeable SOCAL weather every day is mostly unpredictable and often comes as a big surprise, pleasant, or otherwise*..
...!
From violent storms early in the year, to Summer wildfires, and earthquakes at any time!....
...!
Every FS 2004 California morning flight is always something to be well prepared for..
..!
...its all part of the enjoyment of M$ Flight Simming...
...!
Paul...FS 2004...a bottle of Napa Valley's finest red wine, an imaginary little aeroplane..and my day is made!
....sorted!...
...!
*
http://www.kron4.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=3426
http://www.kron4.com/WeatherAndTraffic/Weather.aspx
Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.
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