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Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm

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Having sorted out the Universal Measurement Problem, I am now left with the Universal Switch Problem...

Up for on, or down for on?

After a day of switching toggle switches, etc, on my various Aircraft, up for on, I find that I am going around my house wondering why my Kettle is not boiling, and why my Hoover is not hoovering, and why I keep switching my lights off!

You see, in my part of the world we switch switches DOWN for on, in a similar way that we drive on the left-hand side of the road, and unwind our Toilet Paper from the outside of the roll.

It takes quite a while to re-educate my brain in this confusing switching application.
I can look at a switch for ages, wondering what I should do to operate the toggle to electrify, or de-electrify, a particular piece of household electrical apparatus before me.. Embarrassed..!

Therein lies my daily problem!

I wonder if Thomas Edison suffered from a similar dilemma?... Roll Eyes...!

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Reply #1 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:47pm

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Is something wrong with FS9, Paul? You've got too much time on your hands and turned philosophical  Grin

I have a dimmer switch... Clockwise is brighter - A bit like using screws... Lefty-loosey, righty-tighty!
 

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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:48pm

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
Having sorted out the Universal Measurement Problem, I am now left with the Universal Switch Problem...

Up for on, or down for on?

After a day of switching toggle switches, etc, on my various Aircraft, up for on, I find that I am going around my house wondering why my Kettle is not boiling, and why my Hoover is not hoovering, and why I keep switching my lights off!

You see, in my part of the world we switch switches DOWN for on, in a similar way that we drive on the left-hand side of the road, and unwind our Toilet Paper from the outside of the roll.

It takes quite a while to re-educate my brain in this confusing switching application.
I can look at a switch for ages, wondering what I should do to operate the toggle to electrify, or de-electrify, a particular piece of household electrical apparatus before me.. Embarrassed..!

Therein lies my daily problem!

I wonder if Thomas Edison suffered from a similar dilemma?... Roll Eyes...!

Paul... Wink... Wink...!



I've always heard the Brits do things backwards, but even your light switches?   Grin
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:51pm
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As a fellow brit I have come across this myself, mainly because I have an aircraft style switch for the light in my bedroom and everyone who ever goes in asks me why it's on upside down.
Upside down being UP is ON, for me I just couldn't imagine pressing DOWN for ON it seems a bit anti climactic is turning on a switch can ever be climactic.

If I want to turn on my aircraft I wanna switch the switch UP because I want my plane to go UP, and if it's in my car I want to switch it UP(Forward) because that's the direction I want my car to go.

I've never understood why us Brits have down being on :S
 
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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:03pm

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I believe the reasoning for switching DOWN for off, (up for on), was that if one was given an electric shock by operating a switch, the unfortunate person grasping the switch would automatically fall DOWN, switching the appliance off at the same time, therefore disconnecting the electricity.

So, there endeth the first lesson... Wink...!

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Reply #5 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:11pm

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Reply #6 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:36pm

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machineman9 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:47pm:
Is something wrong with FS9, Paul? You've got too much time on your hands and turned philosophical  Grin



Did you know that Philosophers come from Philadelphia where they practice Philosophising?

...apparently... Wink...!

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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:38pm

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And how did we (or you, not sure which) end up driving on the other side of the road?  I've always wondered about that. 

And isn't there a voltage diff somewhere? We're on 110v and you're on 220v.  Or whatever.   

And why are some of my door keys upside down?  Shouldn't the pointy edge point downward when opening the lock?

And why do I feel like I need a beer right now.
 
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Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:26pm

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Which side of the road means little to me... when I used to drive a radio taxi on the night shift, one of the old-timers told me "if you have the whole road, stay in the middle". Wise words.
But this light switch thing... it's just wrong. I was born in the USA, where UP is ON, but one of my most vivid memories of being barely tall enough to reach a light switch is thinking of it in terms of "when the airplane is UP, you can see it better". Seriously, that's how I taught myself to remember it. Roll Eyes  Grin Hard to argue with such logic.  Wink

Also, I'm curious: are major switches, safety switches where big current is involved, set up the same way  "over there"? It just makes more sense to me, if things are going horribly wrong and you're more likely to be falling down than standing up, to have electrical switches set up so DOWN is OFF.   Huh

I'm also curious about ye old push-button light switches... they were pretty common in the States at one time, and the top one was ON. After your family retired the whale-blubber lamps, Foz, did you start using the push-button switches, or the ultra- modern toggles that we know today? And was the top one ON, or OFF? Grin

I'm not sure how any of that applies to panel switches on airplanes, but I guess you can always edit the files so they are "correct".  Grin
 

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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:32pm

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Apex wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:38pm:
And how did we (or you, not sure which) end up driving on the other side of the road?  I've always wondered about that. 

And isn't there a voltage diff somewhere? We're on 110v and you're on 220v.  Or whatever.   

And why are some of my door keys upside down?  Shouldn't the pointy edge point downward when opening the lock?

And why do I feel like I need a beer right now.

We are 240V (nominal). I don't know why the sides of roads thing happened... We're told to walk on the left (down a corridor), but to take the escalator on the right in the London Underground. Many roads don't have markings anyway, so you could be driving in pretty much the middle of the road and still be on the 'left'.
 

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Reply #10 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:58am

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
why my Hoover is not hoovering,


Shocked You know where the hoover is?!!!!!!


For me it's the same as the "G spot".....location a complete and utter bloomin mystery.
 
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Reply #11 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 7:31am

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G.K. wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:58am:
Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
why my Hoover is not hoovering,


Shocked You know where the hoover is?!!!!!!


For me it's the same as the "G spot".....location a complete and utter bloomin mystery.


My "Hoover" is my favourite Spider Trap...

...and the details of the location of the magic "G" spot, appear somewhere in my manual of; "How to do it"... Roll Eyes...!

(Forever a total mystery to me, as well)... Embarrassed....!

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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 8:16am

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Right, 240 volts, so we're on 120 over here.  Well, watts a few volts more or less.  You know us musicians, as long as our amps work, we're good.

Yeah, I know, corny, but us accountants (yep, music and accounting, go figure) need all the humor we can get, esp during tax season. 



 
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Apex wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 8:38pm:
And why are some of my door keys upside down?  Shouldn't the pointy edge point downward when opening the lock?

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The key notches are supposed to point upwards. This way, as keys and tumblers wear and tiny pieces fall off, they do not drop down into the tumblers and jam things up.
 

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Reply #14 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 2:26pm

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Ah ha, so that's why keys point upward.  OK.   Thanks.  Another one of life's mysteries explained.
 
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Reply #15 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 4:24am

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
Having sorted out the Universal Measurement Problem, I am now left with the Universal Switch Problem...

Up for on, or down for on?

After a day of switching toggle switches, etc, on my various Aircraft, up for on, I find that I am going around my house wondering why my Kettle is not boiling, and why my Hoover is not hoovering, and why I keep switching my lights off!

You see, in my part of the world we switch switches DOWN for on, in a similar way that we drive on the left-hand side of the road, and unwind our Toilet Paper from the outside of the roll.

It takes quite a while to re-educate my brain in this confusing switching application.
I can look at a switch for ages, wondering what I should do to operate the toggle to electrify, or de-electrify, a particular piece of household electrical apparatus before me.. Embarrassed..!

Therein lies my daily problem!

This is a bit late but here's my theory on the switches in aircraft cockpits. It all started with magneto switches which are earthed (grounded for our US cousins) to switch them OFF. This meant that to switch them ON (breaking the circuit) they were moved in the opposite direction from conventional household switches.

Early aircraft mag switches were ordinary household light switches like this.
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For many years they were the only electrical switches in aircraft cockpits so when others were introduced they followed the same convention - UP for ON.

Why Americans always seem to do things the opposite way round from us has always been a mystery to me.  Undecided I suspect it might have been deliberate to demonstrate their independence from the Old Country.
 

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Hagar wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 4:24am:
Why Americans always seem to do things the opposite way round from us has always been a mystery to me.  Undecided I suspect it might have been deliberate to demonstrate their independence from the Old Country.
When we began the Revolution we had to meet you face-to-face and, obviously, we needed to be on the "right" side, not just take the route that was 'left'. Subsequently, we decided to stay on the "right" side, regardless of where that has left you...

Roll Eyes Wink


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Reply #17 - Mar 8th, 2012 at 5:06pm

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H wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 3:22pm:
Hagar wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 4:24am:
Why Americans always seem to do things the opposite way round from us has always been a mystery to me.  Undecided I suspect it might have been deliberate to demonstrate their independence from the Old Country.
When we began the Revolution we had to meet you face-to-face and, obviously, we needed to be on the "right" side, not just take the route that was 'left'. Subsequently, we decided to stay on the "right" side, regardless of where that has left you...

Roll Eyes Wink


Cool


I suspect that most of the immigrants to North America came from Europe, (Germany, etc), where things were done on the right-hand side.

....a few left-handed-sided Brits remained on the top North-East bit, and now have to suffer the right-handers...!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.s...

Paul...dressing on the left-hand side...(you may be interested to know)... Wink...!
 

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
and unwind our Toilet Paper from the outside of the roll.


I wonder if Thomas Edison suffered from a similar dilemma?... Roll Eyes...!




Hey Foz, I wasn't aware toilet paper could be unwound any other way.  I would appreciate an illustration of how it might be unwound from the inside. Cheesy Wink
As for Edison, I have lately been reading a condensed version of his biography and have not run across any such dilemma. Wink Smiley
 
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Bud Greene wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
and unwind our Toilet Paper from the outside of the roll.


I wonder if Thomas Edison suffered from a similar dilemma?... Roll Eyes...!




Hey Foz, I wasn't aware toilet paper could be unwound any other way.  I would appreciate an illustration of how it might be unwound from the inside. Cheesy Wink
As for Edison, I have lately been reading a condensed version of his biography and have not run across any such dilemma. Wink Smiley


Regarding the Toilet Paper Bud...

Many years ago, we had a Poll, and a long discussion regarding how Members arranged the Toilet Roll on its dispenser on the wall.
Was it positioned so as to unroll from the front of the roll, or from the rear of the roll, against the wall?

Is the Paper hanging from the front, or the rear of the roll.

There was much discussion over this serious subject, and I think the consensus was that most Members arranged for it to be dispensed from the front of the roll, on account of the fact that with a new roll, the paper could jam against the wall and tear in other than the perforations between the sheets.

It may be interesting to know if that opinion still stands...

...so.... Wink... Wink... Grin...!

Paul....I prefer a Sausage Roll... Smiley...!

 

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 1:48pm:
Bud Greene wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
and unwind our Toilet Paper from the outside of the roll.


I wonder if Thomas Edison suffered from a similar dilemma?... Roll Eyes...!




Hey Foz, I wasn't aware toilet paper could be unwound any other way.  I would appreciate an illustration of how it might be unwound from the inside. Cheesy Wink
As for Edison, I have lately been reading a condensed version of his biography and have not run across any such dilemma. Wink Smiley


Regarding the Toilet Paper Bud...

Many years ago, we had a Poll, and a long discussion regarding how Members arranged the Toilet Roll on its dispenser on the wall.
Was it positioned so as to unroll from the front of the roll, or from the rear of the roll, against the wall?

Is the Paper hanging from the front, or the rear of the roll.

There was much discussion over this serious subject, and I think the consensus was that most Members arranged for it to be dispensed from the front of the roll, on account of the fact that with a new roll, the paper could jam against the wall and tear in other than the perforations between the sheets.

It may be interesting to know if that opinion still stands...

...so.... Wink... Wink... Grin...!

Paul....I prefer a Sausage Roll... Smiley...!





Most anyone with a cat should load the paper from the rear of the roll. Wink
 

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Fozzer wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 1:48pm:
Bud Greene wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm:
Fozzer wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 7:39pm:
and unwind our Toilet Paper from the outside of the roll.


I wonder if Thomas Edison suffered from a similar dilemma?... Roll Eyes...!




Hey Foz, I wasn't aware toilet paper could be unwound any other way.  I would appreciate an illustration of how it might be unwound from the inside. Cheesy Wink
As for Edison, I have lately been reading a condensed version of his biography and have not run across any such dilemma. Wink Smiley


Regarding the Toilet Paper Bud...

Many years ago, we had a Poll, and a long discussion regarding how Members arranged the Toilet Roll on its dispenser on the wall.
Was it positioned so as to unroll from the front of the roll, or from the rear of the roll, against the wall?

Is the Paper hanging from the front, or the rear of the roll.

There was much discussion over this serious subject, and I think the consensus was that most Members arranged for it to be dispensed from the front of the roll, on account of the fact that with a new roll, the paper could jam against the wall and tear in other than the perforations between the sheets.

It may be interesting to know if that opinion still stands...

...so.... Wink... Wink... Grin...!

Paul....I prefer a Sausage Roll... Smiley...!


I am enlightened!   Smiley
Now that this tale of the dark side has been brought into the light (so to speak), I can say with confidence that I am a front-loader. Grin Grin Grin

As for perforations on the toilet paper...
A group of engineers were truing to figure out how to keep the wings of a new plane from detaching at speed.  No matter what they tried they couldn't keep the wings from falling off.  Well, a janitor who had been cleaning nearby suggested that they put perforations along the base of the wing where it attached to the fuselage.  The engineers took his advice and after several successful tests they asked the janitor how he knew the perforations would work.
"Well", said the janitor, "you can never get paper towels or toilet paper to tear at the perforation.  Same principle."
 
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Steve M wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 1:56pm:
Most anyone with a cat should load the paper from the rear of the roll.
As should anyone with toddlers, as Mom learned; not sure if the catrs learned from us or we from them.



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Wouldn't know about switches...... as for driving on the left or right up until a small French upstart called Napoleon most of the world rode on the left. 

You may also note that most ex colonies of us Brits drive on the left, notable exceptions US and Canada ..... and you can blame the french for that Cheesy
 

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