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Feb 13^th, 2012 at 6:42am

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I'm embarrassed to ask this, but I've been out of it a while and this is the first 64 bit computer I've had, so I don't know. Is there anything I need to do for FSX for a 64 bit system? When I installed it, it went directly to the x86 program files, so I'm guessing it's running under the 32 bit platform or whatever. I just want to get the most out of my system...

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Reply #1 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:17am

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Hi,

I've had no problems myself with it in the X86 folder but many people have had trouble.

It may be easier if you uninstall it and reinstall under something like C:\microsoft games\fsx
This will make it easier for adding to the default fsx package.

When it comes to you adding downloads etc to it, you will have to control what updates the 64 bit system does.

For some addons you will need 32 bit updates or installs because FSX as you already know is a 32 bit program.

If you go to a website for example to install a program that an addon needs to operate, if you let your 64 bit install as it sees fit, it will install the 64 bit version and not the 32 bit version that you really need.

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Reply #2 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:40am

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I must say that when I changed from Win XP Pro to Win 7 Home Premium, I made a point of choosing the 32-bit version, on account of all my loads of 32-bit programs, including all my Flight Sims.

I couldn't see any point in installing the 64-bit version in my particular computer.. Wink

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No probs with my 32-bit Win 7... Smiley

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I think that 64 bits has something to do with accessible memory....but at 78 years of age, my memory doesn't extend very far... Roll Eyes

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Reply #3 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 8:20am

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i have a 64-bit Vista with FSX gold and it works fine!!!

No worries, be happy

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Reply #4 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:41am

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Fozzer wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:40am:

I think that 64 bits has something to do with accessible memory....but at 78 years of age, my memory doesn't extend very far... Roll Eyes

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Indeed! 32-bit allows your system to recognise about 3.5GB of memory (including video memory)
64-bit will let you use (varies a lot... but) 192GB of RAM (including video memory)

However, some flavours of software have different caps. So Windows 7 Super-Ultimate has the 192GB, but Windows 7 Home Premium allows for just 16-gigs.

I have noticed no problems with FSX on 64 bit so far. As mentioned, the largest concern is the other software that you install. If your system has a multi-core processor, there are a few guides to enhance the performance. It comes to mind that FSX can potentially support 257 cores (256 landscape tiles, and the aeroplane) but I think that's a bit excessive. If you have 2 cores or more, have a look - You might be able to get it so that background tasks are happening independently of FSX (more performance)

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Reply #5 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:44am

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I have Win.7 64bit with flight sim.X, no problems

The only thing I did do is load it in its own folder
C - Microsoft games - Flight simulator X.

As I had read a lot about problems with adding aircraft etc. if it goes in program files (x 86)

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Reply #6 - Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:59am

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TUCANTO wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 10:44am:

As I had read a lot about problems with adding aircraft etc. if it goes in program files (x 86)

I haven't noticed any problems myself.

If there is an auto-installer, just double check the directory is correct. If it predicts that FSX is installed in a different location and installs there, then it will not appear in the game. Usually it throws up an error saying 'this location does not exist. Would you like me to create this folder?' and if you're not paying attention, you can accidently create that folder, and later aircraft will install there as the directory now exists.

If in doubt, just manually enter or search for the FSX directory when installing aircraft through an installer. It has nearly happened a few times to myself.

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Reply #7 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 10:09am

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Im on a 64 bit Laptop using x86 and it runs perfect for me.

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Reply #8 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 11:31am

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EVVFCX wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 7:17am:

Hi,

I've had no problems myself with it in the X86 folder but many people have had trouble.

It may be easier if you uninstall it and reinstall under something like C:\microsoft games\fsx
This will make it easier for adding to the default fsx package.

When it comes to you adding downloads etc to it, you will have to control what updates the 64 bit system does.

For some addons you will need 32 bit updates or installs because FSX as you already know is a 32 bit program.

If you go to a website for example to install a program that an addon needs to operate, if you let your 64 bit install as it sees fit, it will install the 64 bit version and not the 32 bit version that you really need.

regards

Steve

with respect, i think this is bad advice. If you have a good clean install of win 7 64bit (it will make a lot of difference to the performance and memory access of your computer) then FSX will correctly install itself in X86 which is where it belongs. You should have no problem with installing addons etc as long as you simply accept the recommended folders every time. Problems tend to occur when people move away from default standards and start moving stuff about. Dont do it. If there is a problem with loading add ons then the problem isnt because FSX is located in X86. the reason will be elsewhere.
for the record, I run win 7 pro and have FSX in X86 and never had an issue, which is as I would expect it to be.

Some programs will install themselves in the default 64 bit program folder but be infact 32 bit. Win7 will detect this and a pop up screen will say that this program is probably not installed correctly. In these cases it is good advice to click the option to install properly.

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Reply #9 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:09pm

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Cusance wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

with respect, i think this is bad advice. If you have a good clean install of win 7 64bit (it will make a lot of difference to the performance and memory access of your computer) then FSX will correctly install itself in X86 which is where it belongs. You should have no problem with installing addons etc as long as you simply accept the recommended folders every time. Problems tend to occur when people move away from default standards and start moving stuff about. Dont do it. If there is a problem with loading add ons then the problem isnt because FSX is located in X86. the reason will be elsewhere.
for the record, I run win 7 pro and have FSX in X86 and never had an issue, which is as I would expect it to be.

I obviously don't know what qualifications you have to give advice but installing MSFS to a location outside the Program Files directory (on a separate HDD if possible) is recommended by several very experienced FS developers. This is to overcome problems with security features of Vista & Win7 which treat everything in the default Program Files & Program Files(x86) directories as protected system files & will not allow them to be edited or modified in any way. The problem only arises when you attempt to modify existing aircraft in that directory - for example, editing Aircraft.cfg to add repainted textures to default or already installed 3rd party aircraft.

I'm still on WinXP which doesn't have this feature so can only go by the advice of people I trust. My own FSX is installed to C:\FSX & I haven't had a single problem with it. Being a short path this directory can be accessed far more quickly than the default path of C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X.

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Reply #10 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:51pm

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Check this forum and others and you'll quickly see the many hassles that can occur when FSX and other apps are installed in Program Files (x86). And if you have any understanding about security in Win7 and Vista, you'll know why. Far better to install FSX in an alternate directory for all the right reasons.

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Reply #11 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 2:12pm

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Hagar wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

I obviously don't know what qualifications you have to give advice but installing MSFS to a location outside the Program Files directory (on a separate HDD if possible) is recommended by several very experienced FS developers. This is to overcome problems with security features of Vista & Win7 which treat everything in the default Program Files & Program Files(x86) directories as protected system files & will not allow them to be edited or modified in any way. The problem only arises when you attempt to modify existing aircraft in that directory - for example, editing Aircraft.cfg to add repainted textures to default or already installed 3rd party aircraft.

I'm still on WinXP which doesn't have this feature so can only go by the advice of people I trust. My own FSX is installed to C:\FSX & I haven't had a single problem with it. Being a short path this directory can be accessed far more quickly than the default path of C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Microsoft Flight Simulator X.

Both seem to be valid points.

On a 64 bit OS you have two directories called 'Program Files'. One deals with 64 bit software, the other is for 32 bit software on the x86 system. I don't know how much of a difference it would make to install outside of Program Files. At the same time, my computer will regularly deny me access to saving CFG files and the such for FSX. I don't get it... I bought this computer, I am the sole administrator, and yet I don't have permission to edit files as I wish Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Feb 15^th, 2012 at 3:35pm

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A way to stop your computer stop asking for permission without turning UAC off is going to the FSX folder in x86 & right clicking properties then un-tick the box read-only & press apply.

I know this way works because I am a repainter so I'm editing CFG files every day & since I've done this I have never been asked for permission to edit CFG files & move folders in the FSX folder.

P.S. this will only stop it asking for permission in the FSX folder not the whole computer.

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Reply #13 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 6:50am

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Hagar wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 12:09pm:

Cusance wrote on Feb 15^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

with respect, i think this is bad advice. If you have a good clean install of win 7 64bit (it will make a lot of difference to the performance and memory access of your computer) then FSX will correctly install itself in X86 which is where it belongs. You should have no problem with installing addons etc as long as you simply accept the recommended folders every time. Problems tend to occur when people move away from default standards and start moving stuff about. Dont do it. If there is a problem with loading add ons then the problem isnt because FSX is located in X86. the reason will be elsewhere.
for the record, I run win 7 pro and have FSX in X86 and never had an issue, which is as I would expect it to be.

I obviously don't know what qualifications you have to give advice ....

25 years as an international ICT manager,
The question was asked by someone who is only starting out on 64bit. Most problems are caused by users changing recommended settings and installs without having a full and deep understanding why folders like x86 were introduced in the first place, or how some aspects of the OS work. so they install things elsewhere often simply based on some post in a forum or chat room, and hey guess what, it works. unfortunately then some days/weeks down the line problems occur and they dont know enough to relate it back to those changes made. IF one follows simple standard installs for FSX then it will live very happily in X86. there should be no security issues UNLESS one starts frigging around. X86 is there for a reason.

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Reply #14 - Feb 16^th, 2012 at 11:06am

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I have similar problem. I run 64 bit and put FSX and FS9 in C:/FSX (or FS9) and bypassed program files (86). Now I can't load FSX SP1 or 2 or a new aircraft I bought because it only installs in program files (86). My dilema now is if I reinstall the FSX/FS9 cd's in program files (86), can I reinstall (copy) all my crap to the new location??

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Reply #15 - Feb 18^th, 2012 at 6:12pm

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Wing Nut wrote on Feb 13^th, 2012 at 6:42am:

I'm embarrassed to ask this, but I've been out of it a while and this is the first 64 bit computer I've had, so I don't know. Is there anything I need to do for FSX for a 64 bit system? When I installed it, it went directly to the x86 program files, so I'm guessing it's running under the 32 bit platform or whatever. I just want to get the most out of my system...

Kevin

Don't be embarrassed, there's a great group of fellow simmers here who are more than willing to help. No one is going to make fun of anyone for any question(s). I'm sure we've all "been there, did that".

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Reply #16 - Feb 19^th, 2012 at 1:37pm

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'Some programs will install themselves in the default 64 bit program folder but be infact 32 bit. Win7 will detect this and a pop up screen will say that this program is probably not installed correctly. In these cases it is good advice to click the option to install properly.'

If as you say 32 bit program are being installed in the 64 folder then the installer or the person downloading is at fault?

This never happened to me.

My personal experience with fsx and installing additional programs for addons is that the 64 bit win 7 does not install the correct program. If you go to the program producers website and manually select the 32 bit version and download the installer, it installs correctly, therefore your statement of 32 bit installing in 64 bit only is suspect.

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If you had bothered to look at what I've said in the past you would have seen that I stated that I had fsx installed and running perfectly in program files X86.
I've only had fsx running ok outside of this for just a couple of months, previous 10 months or so it worked fine in in X86 but I had also taken ownership of the folders.

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