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Reply #15 - Jan 18^th, 2012 at 4:06pm

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Cessnaporsche01 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 6:59am:

I'd tell the entertainment industry (the largest driving force behind these bills, for obvious reasons) to stuff it......

I got a better idea, maybe we should all stop buying music, movies, games and the like for at least 1/2 a year to send a message that honest people don't like to be punished.

Anyone remember the days when you made a mixed tape for your friends. Or copied songs off the radio,which usally had the dj or radiostation partly at the beginning and than at the end of the song so you never got a perfect recording but it was ok.

Sure dosen't seem like the artis and the entertainment business has gone broke to me.

If I make a FREE video (which would be my intellectual property) and I added a music to it, I think as an artis I would be flatterd that my song was choosen, what ever happened to free publicity?

Personaly I don't even think the majority of the artis are the cause of this. It's the record, movie industry that's getting greedy. Don't get me wrong,I don't belive in piracy, but I starting realising that things were getting out of hand when they print on the disk...... DO NOT LEND or make illegal copies of this disk.

Well for one thing I'm pretty sure you need some sophisticated hardware to break the code on the disc to copy it, But I BOUGHT the disc and I'll lend it to whom ever I want. May be my friends might like it so much that they just might go out and BUY one!

So I say let the entertainment business go and shoot themselves in the foot, and we should all just stop buying for awhile, and then maybe the'll understand who there really hurting and might put there efforts into stopping the real criminals!

And one things for sure..............

WE DON'T NEED THE GOVERNMENTS

to do this,,,,,,,,,,,,

OR the internet as we know it is surely doomed Angry

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Reply #16 - Jan 18^th, 2012 at 4:18pm

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Club508 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

I just thought of an interestign thing. This is only U.S. government right? What about sites from OTHER COUNTRIES? Aren't those out of our (uhhh..... let me think of the right word here) (legal influence? Huh

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I think Club that the U.S. will find a way to get at sites from other countries so they can play

UNITED STATES WORLD POLICE.

P.S. I'm annoyed that wiki shut down temporarily because of this, now I can't look up Thunderbirds & Doctor Who. Cry

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Reply #17 - Jan 18^th, 2012 at 5:50pm

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Club508 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

I just thought of an interestign thing. This is only U.S. government right? What about sites from OTHER COUNTRIES? Aren't those out of our (uhhh..... let me think of the right word here) (legal influence? Huh

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Jurisdiction?

I am researching that very point myself. PIPA will mean that a blocked site can't be shown on search engines. I'm not sure if Google.co.uk (and other extensions) counts as American though, so it might cause sites to not show up in other countries.

I don't believe they have any control over other countries' ISPs, so many sites shouldn't be affected unless they're hosted in the USA or have US links. It is one reason why I am refusing to use US servers to host my future websites... I cannot trust them to not screw everything up. If they start to change and muck around with the DNS, then a lot of internet problems will emerge.

To access Wikipedia in your hours of need, either:
Disable Javascript on your browser
Press 'Esc' or 'Stop' just before the screen pops up, and it will stay on the original Wiki page
Use a mobile device to view the page (m.wiki)
or use an API

(most of that is actually given to you on the Wiki article about SOPA/PIPA, just click the 'read more' bit)

Refusing to buy things from those companies is an impossible goal, unfortunately. If you watch a movie at a cinema, you're probably supporting a company such as Sony. Need a new computer to do work? You're probably purchasing software from Microsoft. Not many people would be up for changing to Linux either. If you look at the complete list of people supporting SOPA/PIPA, you can see that even buying makeup products or a new musical instrument will be supporting the companies that support SOPA/PIPA. Stop shopping at RiteAid, they support it. Wal-mart? Same again. A huge list of the companies can be found HERE

If anything, the problem is our dependency on those enterprises and how reliant we are on their service. Then one day they turned around and supported the enemy. Now, we can't do much but fund them.

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Reply #18 - Jan 18^th, 2012 at 7:58pm

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As to the influence of this legislation worldwide, while I'm sure that the US government, in its all consuming need to mind everyone else's affairs, will eventually try to force the rest of the world to pass similar legislation, if, of course, these bills pass, the international conflict is more immediate. SOPA and PIPA will have full effect on American companies, and a significant effect on foreign companies that operate in America. This means that, on the most noticeable level, sites like YouTube, Facebook, and Reddit, who operate in American territory and under American law could be forced to shut down large pieces of their sites, if not the site entirely, for the trespassings of a single user. This effect would be international, and, given the number of businesses that rely so heavily on large media sites, could have a profound effect on the global economy, an effect that I am beginning to doubt the members of Congress pressing for these bills (many of whom admitted in recorded debates to not knowing much about how the internet, or even computers function) have even bothered to imagine. What is more, it has already been demonstrated (by Universal, I believe, though I may be wrong; when they managed to place a DNS block on MegaUpload, a German site, for all locations in America, its territories, and Iraq) that the power given to corporations by these bills will allow them to do to America, exactly what Americans have been criticising the Chinese government for doing; namely, censoring the internet to the point where all available material is regulated.

In any case I can only see this legislation as doing significant harm to the world at large, economically, technologically, and, yes, even culturally. I can't imagine that anyone in support of this has evaluated the far reaching consequences, and I know that should it be enacted, this would only cause to create huge inconvenience, loss of freedom (something most Americans are rather opinionated about), and social unrest, while any pirate worth his salt will be able to continue on doing what he'd been doing.

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Reply #19 - Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:20pm

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Cessnaporsche01 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 7:58pm:

I am beginning to doubt the members of Congress pressing for these bills (many of whom admitted in recorded debates to not knowing much about how the internet, or even computers function) have even bothered to imagine.

Two questions:

1) How does one join congress?
2) How are they able to join and create new laws on things that they have no idea about? Intelligence dictates that only people who have a clear grasp of a concept and know both sides of the story (and have no influence) should be allowed through the front doors to vote at all. When you're sick and dying, you call the ambulance service, because they know what they're doing. There's no point in having a TV repair man come along.

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Reply #20 - Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:35pm

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This scares me and I'm not even in the US:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM&feature=g-all-lik&context=G21aaa48FAA...

Up is the way to go.

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Reply #21 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:12am

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machineman9 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:20pm:

Two questions:

1) How does one join congress?
2) How are they able to join and create new laws on things that they have no idea about? Intelligence dictates that only people who have a clear grasp of a concept and know both sides of the story (and have no influence) should be allowed through the front doors to vote at all. When you're sick and dying, you call the ambulance service, because they know what they're doing. There's no point in having a TV repair man come along.

1. They're elected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

2. Like all politicians they need no qualifications. As a colleague used to say of our MPs: "It's the highest paid unskilled job in the country."

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Reply #22 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:16am

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wait i just relised:

what about hackers?
i imagine that some hackers WILL hack into SOPA one day and block it.

so,maybe in the future that would be the first hacker to be loved. Grin

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Reply #23 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:59pm

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Hagar wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 4:12am:

machineman9 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2012 at 10:20pm:

Two questions:

1) How does one join congress?
2) How are they able to join and create new laws on things that they have no idea about? Intelligence dictates that only people who have a clear grasp of a concept and know both sides of the story (and have no influence) should be allowed through the front doors to vote at all. When you're sick and dying, you call the ambulance service, because they know what they're doing. There's no point in having a TV repair man come along.

1. They're elected. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress

2. Like all politicians they need no qualifications. As a colleague used to say of our MPs: "It's the highest paid unskilled job in the country."

These are the times that I believe the Governments should stick to things they know about. Like building benches in the park Cheesy

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and stay off the things like the internet.
I'm scared, and I'm so far from America. Because our Beloved SimV and most of other the wonderful Flightsim fan sites are hosted In the US. Sad

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What happens when Microsoft eventually decide to report all the flightsim sites for copyrighted? They can be taken down without due process. Angry

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. No more social netwporking, online shopping e.t.c

jetprop wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 10:16am:

wait i just relised:

what about hackers?
i imagine that some hackers WILL hack into SOPA one day and block it.

so,maybe in the future that would be the first hacker to be loved. Grin

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Exactly.

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Plus, There will be no more repaints or plane making without paying because airline logos are copyrighted and Company names are also copywrited Sad

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And Alrot, we need to wash your mouth out with soap Grin

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Reply #24 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 6:01pm

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...and so it goes on...>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

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Reply #25 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 6:19pm

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Fozzer wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 6:01pm:

...and so it goes on...>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16642369

Paul.

They were sued and DNS blocked by Universal last month, but then some music artists retaliated (and created a song/music video under license by Megaupload, and had Megaupload put it on Youtube), Universal took the video down under 'copyright infringement'.

Guess what, there was no copyright infringement, none at all. But Youtube took down the video. They later re-evaluated the case and thankfully put the video back up. Apply SOPA, and Youtube type sites could have been taken offline just like that.

Talk about 'false incrimination'. Universal, thankfully, are facing charges of 'false ownership' by claiming they owned rights to the video. Justice? Lets hope so.

I would be interested in knowing how Megaupload, a Hong Kong site, was shut down by the US though. I cannot access it in the UK, which is effectively world policing. Unless Megaupload decided to take themselves offline, but I'm not so sure.

Also, Wikipedia edits are great... A government page is now entitled: US Department of "Justice", and they changed the main icon to a SOPA takedown image. Grin

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Reply #26 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 6:44pm

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Sorry for being the newbie posting on this but I saw this and couldn't help myself...I still use the site, just never got into the whole forum thing... Tongue

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My whole take on it is that it seems that my fellow citiznes in office have forgotten what our fathers founded our country on...the idea of freedome of what to do and individual rights and property!

If I use some logo or other intellectual property, and the owner doesn't like it, then let the owner take responsibilty of their property on their own if they care so much! It seems that we as a country have shifted our governement's role from brother to father...

Just some thoughts that me and my dad had brought up in a conversation...

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Reply #27 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 7:17pm

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No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ...

That's soooo inconveniently 18th century. Let's just scrap it.

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Reply #28 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 7:33pm

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A quote I took from an OMG article..

The author of the internet-censoring SOPA bill would be in violation if it were to pass! Lamar Smith is a congressman from Texas and the author of the Stop Online Piracy Bill. We've covered SOPA before (here, and here).

As you've probably heard, most internet companies are in an uproar about the restrictive nature of this legislation, which would put the US on par with the most restrictive regimens in the world when it comes to the internet.

The website Vice did some investigating, and they found that the congressman's website is using a photo without the consent of the man who took the photograph. This means that under the rules of SOPA, the photographer could order Internet service providers to block the congressman's website for violating his copyright!

We know we've been harping on this, but it's important that everyone recognizes how bad this legislation is for the average internet user.

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Reply #29 - Jan 19^th, 2012 at 7:55pm

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Steve M wrote on Jan 19^th, 2012 at 7:33pm:

A quote I took from an OMG article..

The author of the internet-censoring SOPA bill would be in violation if it were to pass! Lamar Smith is a congressman from Texas and the author of the Stop Online Piracy Bill. We've covered SOPA before (here, and here).

As you've probably heard, most internet companies are in an uproar about the restrictive nature of this legislation, which would put the US on par with the most restrictive regimens in the world when it comes to the internet.

The website Vice did some investigating, and they found that the congressman's website is using a photo without the consent of the man who took the photograph. This means that under the rules of SOPA, the photographer could order Internet service providers to block the congressman's website for violating his copyright!

We know we've been harping on this, but it's important that everyone recognizes how bad this legislation is for the average internet user.

Cool

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..this is the very dangerous bloke of which we speak?...>>>

http://www.texasinsider.org/?p=57474

"Smith is a Christian Scientist. His wife, Elizabeth Lynn Schaefer, is a Christian Science practitioner and teacher".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Science

... Wink

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