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Reply #15 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 2:56pm

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..... it usually Looks easy in the point of view who those who has never made a repaint ,a scenery add-on or and airplane ,But believe me ..Its very hard trust me..

It can take many many hours days and years sometimes to make a single airplane....

yes i am aware of this. i have made many hence my annoyance with people who do shoddy work. it doesnt help anyone. go learn a bit more instead.
As to the other comments, I have not found one plane in the FSX I bought from microsoft that did not have a VC.
i never had 2004 so cant comment on that, or even what an upgrade from 2004 to FSX provides. however you are missing the point;
i dont care that it hasnt a VC, but just SAY SO. And dont call it FSX compatible. without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.
And dont frig with settings and scenery that renders features in FSX inoperable. that doesnt please anyone either. thats a bit like providing a socalled photographic scenery, where its always 'summer' rendering winter setting from Microsoft inoperable.  basic stuff I think.
 

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Reply #16 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 3:05pm

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in the first place  instead to be frustrated, feel lucky to find people that does a job for free for you , that has digg in this photoshop and learn how to do that , just for free

I prefer Paintshop Pro, DXT etc.


 

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Reply #17 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 3:15pm

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Can you image the rants if they was talking about payware that didn't suit them Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

We WERENT talking about payware and WERENT talking about freeware not suiting us. At least I wasnt.
I WAS talking about stuff that doesnt really work or renders part of FSX inoperable.
should this occur with payware, then it should be returned. although it probably would not have been purchased in the first place.
Again i make it clear that I do not care what stuff people post, just make it clear what it does and doesnt do and do not make unwarranted claims as to compatibility.All to frequently I see posts under the label 2004/FSX or such like when infact its only a 2004 plane that kinda works in FSX. what use is that. Just wastes a lot of time in my opinion.
You would not accept a CD player that only played the first 12 tracks of an old CD for example. I think you would reject this as NOT being fully compatible.
i know, a stupid example, but you get my drift.
 

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Reply #18 - Jan 14th, 2012 at 6:42am

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alrot wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:18pm:
pete wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:33am:
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And Pete can You please Put the native list in a sticky, Please?


It's been there for years ... Smiley


that list needs to be updated

An updated list can be found here.
 
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Reply #19 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 12:10pm

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Dunno about the rest of you guys but I hate aircraft without a vc :/
 
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Reply #20 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 6:14pm

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Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

YES!!!

Well you did ask. You can always delete the offending file and fly something else. Its quicker than ranting into two pages here.
 

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Reply #21 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 6:37pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 2:56pm:
without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.




Sorry, it's time for me to step in...
This is the most common of the softwares that are used to make planes for FS:
gmax:
http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wewain/trainz/ContentCreation/Gmax/...
This software enables the instalation of an SDK (Software Development Kit) that enables the creation of add-ons for specified games. In this case we have the FSX SDK installed, which you can see on the top bar in this screenshot:
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That is also the exterior model of a plane... The group of parts that make up the exterior model is called "exterior".
Then, for the VC there's a diferent model from the exterior model's cockpit, whose parts are grouped in a group called "interior".
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When you export for FSX the exporter first looks to see if you have an "exterior" and "interior" group. If you have both it spits out two files, one for the exterior model and the other for the VC.
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However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...
 

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Reply #22 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:44am

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rodericksnr wrote on Jan 18th, 2012 at 6:14pm:
Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

YES!!!

Well you did ask. You can always delete the offending file and fly something else. Its quicker than ranting into two pages here.

I didnt rant. i merely expressed an opinion. then other attributed to me opinions I had NOT expressed. all I said was that if the thing hasnt got a VC. dont call it FSX compatible. Neither did I mention whether that means the plane is not Native FSX. I never commented on that. Just please make it clear that it hasnt a VC so i dont waste time downloading and installing. Ofcourse I delete these installs. But that wasnt the point.
 

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Reply #23 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:48am

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Xpand wrote on Jan 18th, 2012 at 6:37pm:
Cusance wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 2:56pm:
without a VC it may WORK in FSX but it isnt truly FSX compatible.
thats all.




However, if you do not have a VC group (Interior) the converter will only produce the exterior file. That DOES NOT mean that the plane isn't FSX native. I hope this cleared things up...

I never commented on whether a plane is native or not. that is of no interest to me. I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word. IF MS released a plane design and said FSX compatible and after installation you would find that there was no VC you would object wouldnt you?
whether the design is free or not isnt relevant nor wether its native or not. I have never said anything else.
 

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Reply #24 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:01am

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Cusance wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 9:48am:
I merely said that without a VC dont call it FSX compatible. Maybe people do not understand the meaning of MS FSX compatible in the true sense of the word.

I'd like to point out that I've never associated an FSX-compatible aircraft with a VC. Compatible means that it displays & functions properly in the appropriate version of FS, nothing more.

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Am I becoming a grumpy old man?

Guilty as charged. Tongue

Another old Grumpy. Cheesy
 

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Reply #25 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:39am

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Cusance wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.  You need to remember this is FREEWARE, not payware.  Have some courtesy and respect for those who take the time to try and improve simaviation and ask for nothing in return.  As a "professional" you should already know that if you don't like the way something is done then do it yourself.
 
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Reply #26 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 2:45pm

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Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:39am:
Cusance wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.  You need to remember this is FREEWARE, not payware.  Have some courtesy and respect for those who take the time to try and improve simaviation and ask for nothing in return.  As a "professional" you should already know that if you don't like the way something is done then do it yourself.

I do, I do.
but I do find it typical of standards these days that people are so eager to defend incomplete work. free or payware.
makes no difference. dont settle for half done work. Go that exrtra mile and complete the thing. whats the point in taking a 2004 plane and tweaking it round a bit so it kinda works in FSX. Is that why people upgraded to FSX to be able to fly 2004 planes?
I find this puzzling.But all I ask, and I repeat and repeat this, just SAY it hasnt a VC. its all i ask. not too much is it?
 

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Reply #27 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 3:09pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 2:45pm:
Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:39am:
Cusance wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.  You need to remember this is FREEWARE, not payware.  Have some courtesy and respect for those who take the time to try and improve simaviation and ask for nothing in return.  As a "professional" you should already know that if you don't like the way something is done then do it yourself.

I do, I do.
but I do find it typical of standards these days that people are so eager to defend incomplete work. free or payware.
makes no difference. dont settle for half done work. Go that exrtra mile and complete the thing. whats the point in taking a 2004 plane and tweaking it round a bit so it kinda works in FSX. Is that why people upgraded to FSX to be able to fly 2004 planes?
I find this puzzling.But all I ask, and I repeat and repeat this, just SAY it hasnt a VC. its all i ask. not too much is it?


let me say a few things.

why say it DOESN'T have a VC?
they always tell you if it does so if it doesn't say so it probably doesn't have one unless it shows a picture of the vc or if it is from a high quality designer.
 

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Reply #28 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 3:30pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 2:45pm:
Bud Greene wrote on Jan 21st, 2012 at 10:39am:
Cusance wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:58pm:
maybe it is my professional IT background

Perhaps a little professionalism is what is you need here.  You need to remember this is FREEWARE, not payware.  Have some courtesy and respect for those who take the time to try and improve simaviation and ask for nothing in return.  As a "professional" you should already know that if you don't like the way something is done then do it yourself.

I do, I do.
but I do find it typical of standards these days that people are so eager to defend incomplete work. free or payware.
makes no difference. dont settle for half done work. Go that exrtra mile and complete the thing. whats the point in taking a 2004 plane and tweaking it round a bit so it kinda works in FSX. Is that why people upgraded to FSX to be able to fly 2004 planes?
I find this puzzling.But all I ask, and I repeat and repeat this, just SAY it hasnt a VC. its all i ask. not too much is it?


Do you know how much work goes into making an aircraft for fsx?

Do you know how much money & time goes into making an aircraft for fsx?

People make these planes for free so you have no right to complain. If you paid for them you would have the right to complain but you didn't so you don't.

People make planes because they are kind & want to give something back to the fs community.

So if you don't like it don't complain, make it yourself & see how hard it is to do.
 

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Reply #29 - Jan 21st, 2012 at 3:42pm

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Well, as an FS developer, apreciate constructive criticism... Of course, saying that you don't like a plane because it has no VC does not qualify as constructive criticism. It takes enormous amounts of research to make a decent VC. I have my Yak-15 stopped for 4 months now due to the lack of pictures of certain parts of the cockpit...
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