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Jan 10th, 2012 at 3:01pm

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OK so maybe I am becoming grumpy but I am also becoming increasingly fustrated and annoyed by folks who post repaints as being FSX compatible but without VC. That aint FSX compatibility ! Its only 2004 compatibility. also while I am on a roll here: stop changing gate names and numbers to 'reflect reality' you screw up progressive guiding and changing runway names  tends to screw up ILS and vectoring. A golden rule please, no add on, repaint or whatever improvement you have so lovingly invented should interfere with FSX functions. that isnt improving !!
 

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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 3:14pm

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A repaint traditionally is only the exterior view of the aircraft, the VC is an integral part of the model and nothing to do with repainting...
 

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Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 3:22pm

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unless someone does a repaint of a 2004 plane and posts it as a FSX compatible.
 

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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:06pm

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Actually, I know of a number of fsx "native" aircraft that don't have vc's. Can you post a link/links to which/examples of plane(s) you are having trouble with Smiley.
 

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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:51pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 3:01pm:
OK so maybe I am becoming grumpy but I am also becoming increasingly fustrated and annoyed by folks who post repaints as being FSX compatible but without VC. That aint FSX compatibility ! Its only 2004 compatibility. also while I am on a roll here: stop changing gate names and numbers to 'reflect reality' you screw up progressive guiding and changing runway names  tends to screw up ILS and vectoring. A golden rule please, no add on, repaint or whatever improvement you have so lovingly invented should interfere with FSX functions. that isnt improving !!

HI,

Have you actually uploaded anything yourself?

If not a little appreciation of freely donated files would be a normal approach! Vast amounts of freely given time by enthusiasts is what has kept this hobby alive for 25 years - Without freeware developers doing what they do the hobby would have died years ago ...


& as was mentioned above - if you have a problem with a specific file then do tell the specific file name and someone can look at it. 

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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 2:58pm

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no, i dont have any specific problems. any so called FSX compatibles that arent I uninstall. Its just a hassle. I do appreciate what people do, but maybe it is my professional IT background that objects to people posting stuff that isnt what it seems. It is really quite simple; if it hasnt a VC it isnt FSX compatible. So please SAY so. also dont do anything with scenery that breaks things like progressive taxi, Vectoring etc. perfectly reasonable request. whether I have posted anything myself isnt relevant at this point.
 

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Reply #6 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:46pm

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pete wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:51pm:
Cusance wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 3:01pm:
OK so maybe I am becoming grumpy but I am also becoming increasingly fustrated and annoyed by folks who post repaints as being FSX compatible but without VC. That aint FSX compatibility ! Its only 2004 compatibility. also while I am on a roll here: stop changing gate names and numbers to 'reflect reality' you screw up progressive guiding and changing runway names  tends to screw up ILS and vectoring. A golden rule please, no add on, repaint or whatever improvement you have so lovingly invented should interfere with FSX functions. that isnt improving !!

HI,

Have you actually uploaded anything yourself?

If not a little appreciation of freely donated files would be a normal approach! Vast amounts of freely given time by enthusiasts is what has kept this hobby alive for 25 years - Without freeware developers doing what they do the hobby would have died years ago ...


& as was mentioned above - if you have a problem with a specific file then do tell the specific file name and someone can look at it. 

JCA  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

with respect, this doesnt make sense. you are saying that because people post stuff for free, no comments are allowed as to the quality of the postings? surely not.
 

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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:53pm

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I've been running into kinda of the same problems tho a tad bit different , not just this site either but a few others as well let me explain: for example - last week, I spent the better part of say 10 hours just playing Aircraft Mechanic on some of the Aircraft I've downloaded , some of which clearly stated they were for FSX Compatibility but were from FS2004 - OK, fine i'll try it,,, and I go and Manually install the aircraft - fire up the sim - (usually a propliner) , and take a look at it - well well,, wouldn't ya know it - the creator has the PROP textures wrong in the wrong format - usually its the "Prop Blurr" texture located within the Aircrafts Texture folder itself and I find it was saved in some format NOT compatible for "FSX"  then I end up fixing that particular "PROP BLURR" texture by swapping it with another like TEXTURE from another Aircraft in my FSX Sim or in my Huge Hanger ( which have 780 aircraft) on CD Disk in storage as back ups !! swapping usually works from 1 texture to another - as long as you name the New File TEXTURE the same as the one your going to replace and its been properly saved in the right Format , I check some of this by using the program known as DXT1 Bitmap Converter or my Aircraft repainter program or my Paint Shop Professional paint software program which any of these will tell me what Texture the file in Question is saved in.  Also, I been notice some outside textures not saved in the right format , that are 2004's supposedly ported over for FSX. Just recently 2 weeks ago I download an Aircraft ( you'll love this now)  - that was supposedly slated for FSX but was a 2004 Aircraft that used BITMAP textures ( which is fine with DX10 turned off) - well,, I tore apart the aircraft texture folder after downloading it and appartently the creator ( he probably didn't know) had tried to take the BITMAP textures and just turn them into DDS Textures , thinking that'd make it FSX Compatible , ya well, it doesn't Quite work that way really,,, but it was fun to load up anyway and watch all the funny things happen to the outside of the aircraft because FSX reads those Files differently than other BITMAPs when they are left in that type of file format it was strange alright , I ended up deleting it out of my AIRCRAFT folder in FSX Completely tho,,, for anybody who'sd intersteaded tho - spend some time in many of your "Aircrafts TEXTURE" folders 1 evening,,,, open them up - look at the difference how a BITMAP is worked and designed and how a DDS file is designed , quite a big difference really,,, tho a BITMAP TEXTURE will work fine with FSX  if its "SAVED", by the Creator / Designer in the PROPER Format - now that could range from being a DXT3 texture or a DXT1 Texture or even a DXT5 texture - or get into 888-5 textures  just depends !!!  Another thing thing when swapping Testures for Repairing Aircraft from 1 Aircraft to another Aircraft is try to make sure that the file sizes your going to Swap are the "SAME SIZE" ,,, and what I mean in particular is the same Size as the one your going to replace - example is say a :1024 x 1024 texture file ,, don't try to swap a texture file thats like 710 x 980 with a 1024 x 1024 , it won't display properly most generally on the aircraft and make sure its saved in the right format - HOW do you tell this & find this out ???? Well - go look at some textures of your other Aircraft in the folders - open them up click on them and see,, use a texture converter if need be - get the story the FACTS of what your going to be working with 1st hand - don't GUESS or Assume wildly , you'll end up Frustrated & Disappointed with the results displayed on your aircraft !! Its like building a Radial Aircraft Engine , you just don't throw any part on anywhere and hope for the best - it'll FAIL everytime  !!  I spent a better part of a Whole year learning as much as I could about file structures and formats all the types , how their saved etc,  and sometimes I still get stumped and have to delete a whole file and either make a new one from scratch or hunt one down from another Aircraft and thats what I spend a lot of time doing , is searching for All kinds of Aircraft for parts mainly to be used on some of my FSX Aircraft , believe it or NOT it actually works , I've saved a lotta Aircraft this way by learning to SWAP textures and other files like CFG files and sound files. I'm kinda like that Big Ol' Junk Yard out in Arizona / California I got all kinds of parts from all kinds of Aircraft and their ALL saved on CD Disks  a huge storage container now , some are old some are New - Jets, propliners , military , civilian, expermental , never know when ya might need one of those parts ??? Shocked Shocked  I also have REAL Aircraft parts hanging around my Shop here , like that 12 foot long Prop laying down on my shop floor off some ol' WW-II Bomber in perfect shape all polished out and some old Wooden prop that Howard gave my grandpa when he worked for Howard back in the 1940's era - I gots all kinds of parts - and I just hang around and Flight Sim all day & night till the wee hours of the morning or download Aircraft to tinker with them or fix em' or repaint them ,, and take em' for a Test Flight after I'm done with them. Anyway things aren't always perfect, but they can be fixed with time & patientence !! which I'm short of sometimes ! Now, I'm gonna go jump in my 4 engine propliner sitting out back with 4 Huge radial Engines and go up for a Spin and eat some AV Fuel for a while - anybody wanna go with me ????  Safe & Happy Flying ~~ !! the Jetranger  Lips Sealed Lips Sealed
 

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Reply #8 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:12pm

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I agree jetranger. People should be more careful when they decide to post to the public. Some folks do it right: they say that they havent tested it in FSX or they know something doesnt work. But some simply say that its 2004 and FSX compatible when it clearly isnt. Like you I have pulled models apart, spend time, but now I just ditch things if they dont work. the posts that say that it 'should be compatible with FSX' I dont touch at all. the fustrating thing is that most of the problems can be detected with a bit of simple testing. Many folks do such good work, but simply dont finish the job. If you do not have all the systrms yourself then send it to someone first who does and ask for it to be tested. That way a poster will build a reputation for reliability. Posts from sone people I dont even test, they go straight into FSX as I know they have done their homework and stuff works. All compliments to PAD. Also for free by the way but reliable and thus supported with donations.
 

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Reply #9 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:20pm

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Cusance wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:46pm:
pete wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 5:51pm:
Cusance wrote on Jan 10th, 2012 at 3:01pm:
OK so maybe I am becoming grumpy but I am also becoming increasingly fustrated and annoyed by folks who post repaints as being FSX compatible but without VC. That aint FSX compatibility ! Its only 2004 compatibility. also while I am on a roll here: stop changing gate names and numbers to 'reflect reality' you screw up progressive guiding and changing runway names  tends to screw up ILS and vectoring. A golden rule please, no add on, repaint or whatever improvement you have so lovingly invented should interfere with FSX functions. that isnt improving !!

HI,

Have you actually uploaded anything yourself?

If not a little appreciation of freely donated files would be a normal approach! Vast amounts of freely given time by enthusiasts is what has kept this hobby alive for 25 years - Without freeware developers doing what they do the hobby would have died years ago ...


& as was mentioned above - if you have a problem with a specific file then do tell the specific file name and someone can look at it. 

JCA  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

with respect, this doesnt make sense. you are saying that because people post stuff for free, no comments are allowed as to the quality of the postings? surely not.


constructive comments welcome anytime ,keep in mind that while people can create things for free, for the joy of others  it usually Looks easy in the point of view who those who has never made a repaint ,a scenery add-on or and airplane ,But believe me ..Its very hard trust me..

It can take many many hours days and years sometimes to make a single airplane

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I am also becoming increasingly fustrated and annoyed by folks who post repaints as being FSX compatible but without VC


in the first place  instead to be frustrated, feel lucky to find people that does a job for free for you , that has digg in this photoshop and learn how to do that , just for free

Alex


 

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Reply #10 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 4:41pm

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I agree with Alrot. Also just because it doesn't have a vc doesn't mean its not fsx compatible. Tongue
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Reply #11 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 11:12pm

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Jetranger wrote on Jan 11th, 2012 at 3:53pm:
I've ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Jetranger  Lips Sealed Lips Sealed


That's about all I got out of your rant. Didn't we just go thru this awhile ago Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy?

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Alrot wrote: constructive comments welcome anytime ,keep in mind that while people can create things for free, for the joy of others  it usually Looks easy in the point of view who those who has never made a repaint ,a scenery add-on or and airplane ,But believe me ..Its very hard trust me..

It can take many many hours days and years sometimes to make a single airplane



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Pete wrote: Have you actually uploaded anything yourself?

If not a little appreciation of freely donated files would be a normal approach! Vast amounts of freely given time by enthusiasts is what has kept this hobby alive for 25 years - Without freeware developers doing what they do the hobby would have died years ago ...


Can you image the rants if they was talking about payware that didn't suit them Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


 
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 7:07am

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Here's a list of Fsx Native Freeware planes.
Phil Taylor's FSX Native Aircraft list

And you'll find that not all have vc's. Just because it's fsx native doesn't mean that it has a vc. Most people don't know how to make vc's/ Have vc's in the works and are fully fsx native.
Like the Thor's hammer Rafale. Has a vc in the works but is absolutely beautiful exterior Cool.
And Pete can You please Put the native list in a sticky, Please? Smiley
« Last Edit: Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:31am by pete »  

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Reply #13 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:33am

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And Pete can You please Put the native list in a sticky, Please?


It's been there for years ... Smiley
 

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Reply #14 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:18pm

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pete wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:33am:
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And Pete can You please Put the native list in a sticky, Please?


It's been there for years ... Smiley


that list needs to be updated
 

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