Groundbound1 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 10:48am:


It shined too much for being moved  ,but what would be the best way to destroy and obsolete GPS, TV, antenna satellites? in other words:  to destroy a geo-sync satellite?.....by pushing them into the atmosphere ,due that IT won't reach enough speed this could be WHY It last that long burning , that could be also the reason why didn't move horizontally except when It got cold (turned into orange)

Colors determinate the temperature (this is how we know how hot are some of the stars) ,if you start to heat a iron knife it would become red then Orange and if you could without evaporate it heat enough the iron it would become blue ,so the object entry into the atmosphere blast into blue very hot then slow down turned into orange then by the air  moved into one of it sides making the small horizontal move..

this is the only reason I can figure it out and solve my mystery and my misery     

alrot wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

NOW HOOOLD ON THERE BUSTER!!!
NOT TRUE on the flames.
Now please take the time to read my rant, even if you don't read my theory.
On most common flames, it is commonly mistaken, and I've done my research, both inside the classroom and out.  The blue part on most common flames is actually the COLDEST part of the flame, the orangy and red are the mid parts, and the very outer whites are the very hottest.  Those are parts of the reasons you may occaisionally (if ever) see someone hold fire in their hands, and why you occaisionally hear the term or phrase "burning white-hot".

And do not forget, the different elements on the periodic table all burn diffrent colors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_test

That's primarily create all the different colors you see in fireworks.  And in what you said above, you're forgetting that iron burns gold if you followed the link down to the nice little table they made.



And also, who said it was a flame?
For all we know, it could be a light.



Now here's my theory.  I'm not saying any of you are wrong, and I'm not going to say I'm right either.  This is an unown object, in an unknown event.  This is just what I've figured uing what I've taken in using the information I've been given combined with my backround knowledge of space.  Now most of my theory on the black holes is pulled from Hawkings, and the stuff of the planet pull is my own.  I have read very much into these, so please do some intense reasearch of you own as wel if you haven't already before you tr to blast part of my theory.

Now, what you may have seen, was a nearby solar system's star turning into a black hole.
Now, I'm not going to go through and describe every long word in my theory, becouase there are a lot.  Use google, dictionary.com, or something else.


In my theory, the star was running out of fuel, and is either below or right around the Chandrasekhar limit.
Now, it's running out of fuel, and is about on the verge of collapse.  Now, being right around, or below the Chandrasekhar limit, it tried to keep on burning, by trying to turn itself into either a white dwarf star or a neutron star, possibly explaining the bright white or blue you saw.  Now, it probably got close to succeeding, but after a while essently "failed out" and started to turn into a black hole.
Now, when a black hole starts to form by means of a star collapse, many things happen.
As it collapses, the star starts shrinking dramtically, and it's mass increases significantly as well.  Now, all large masses in space have atleast some gravitational pull, and bend the space around them.  The larger the mass, the more so.  Now, light acts as both a particle and a wave a the same time.  Therefore, it IS infact, effected by gravity.
Now, as I already stated, as the size decreases, the mass increases, and therefor the gravity is increased.  Now, as the mass is increased, the light has a more and more difficult time escaping, and at some point, the gravity becomes so intense, it actually starts bending the light, bringing the light closer to orange and red, possibly explaining the decaying into orange you saw.
Now, puase in your thinking for a moment, and you may even have to rewind a bit. 
It's a star.  We on a planet orbit a star.  There's a possible chance that a large massed planet orbits close to this star.  The gravitational fields tossed by stars are pretty good, part of what keeps us all in orbit.  As the gravitational pull of the star increases due to the increased mass of trying to transform into a white dwarf or neutron star and then becoming a black hole, the planets would be drawn toward the star.  As the large massed planet is drawn to the star, the gravitational pull due to the planet's large mass would start to work more and more on the star, and the star more on the planet.
Now the planet is already moving towards the star, we have that in place, though we can't really see it.  But as the planet's pull starts to work on the star, the star will also start to be pulled towads the planet, possibly explaining the slight movement you saw it go though the sky.
Now, back to where we were, wherever you incorperated the planet in, just make sure it hasn't collided yet.
The star is already seeming red or orange to us.  It's in it's final stages.  It finally becomes so small, and it's mass has increased so much, light finally can not escape it.  If I'm right, it probably would have dissapeared from your view a few seconds later.
Now the planet would be sucked in.  Due to the gravitational pull, which wouldn't let the stuff escape the black hole anyway, and the fact you couldn't even see the planet to begin with, you probably wouldn't see anything.

And from there, it would pretty much be over.



Sound like it could be anything you saw?  And also, if you actually read through my entire rant and theory, thanks!

Club508 wrote on Dec 29^th, 2011 at 11:41am:


Light/ Flames ? I don't understand what would be the diference? both came from the same thing "Heat" one uses the air become flames and the other can't because is in and empty space

You are wrong about the temperatures longitude waves of light



http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeedu/kstars/ai-colorandtemp.html


I'm going to give you a practical way to understand this

http://es.dreamstime.com/antorcha-del-acetileno-y-tubo-del-hierro-thumb7520401.j...

the white part and the blue ones are hotter than the read and orange ,we use the blue/white part of the torch to cut or weld

it wasn't a black hole or in what you mean is a gamma burst which would be the only thing that last 4 minutes Common and less powerless supernova last a little bit longer , other wise we all by now would be in all news all over the world ,besides they don't move horizontally .. 

Oh God Club508 !!  I don't want to sound presumptuous ,I know the mechanism of a supernova (according to theorist)I know how it works since I was 13 ,and I know how gamma burst mechanism too (the star becoming a black hole) This is new BTW..

http://astro.berkeley.edu/research/grbs/grbinfo.html  

It definitely  was something as I said before and by the movement horizontally outside of the inter atmosphere ,that burn out ,following a slow descend ,in a straight  trajectory according to my humble common sense . that's for sure , and the most obvious ,..a satellite

I won't denied the minute I began to watch this objects many thoughts like your came into my mind I even thought that could be and explosion of and airplane  

I love your enthusiasm   

Alex

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Alright.  I went in my image editor and attempted to create something that would look close to what my theory would look like.  I don't know how close it is, and just add the part where it shifts wherever you want.

alrot wrote on Dec 30^th, 2011 at 1:11pm:

This just so goes against what I was taught in science class last year.

Agggh!  All the theories!  They hurt!



Though I do have to qustion this:  How can we tell?
Last time I checked, we can only even get estimates of our OWN sun.  Have we even gotten past mercury yet without any of our stuff burning up?
We can only get so close, so we can only get so close an estimate.

And here's some interesting things I've been wondering about for AGES on space and heat, if you can even help me understand them.
1.  If space is a vaccum, why is the space station rusting?
2.  If space is a vaccum, and heat is the vibration of the atoms, particles, etc., how is heat cast through space where there's nothing TO vibrate?  And how is it a wave when we're taught that its the vibration, so technically it's the object?  Wouldn't that make it a particle?
3.  If heat is the vibration of particles, and space is a vaccum, then if you were to hold a thermometer out in space, what temperature would it read?
4. If space were a vaccum, wouldn't the extreme low pressure cause ANYTHING that goes out there to be torn and spread across the entire reach of space?
5.  If light and heat are so much the same, why are heat and light energy seperate, and why are they in different parts of the wave spectrum?
(Microwaves---Visible Light Spectrum---X-Rays---Gamma Rays)

Club508 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2011 at 2:17pm:


I like you kid ,I really do ,you are spontaneous and one of the most important of all you make your own theories which is very good and positive   

i'll try to explain I could be wrong ,I'm not a Physicist, I have met some of them and actually I'm a good friend of a Phd which have a great theory about dark and enery matter UN-existance, but I wont talk about this ...again
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What cast the heat to spread is Infrared rays among many other types of the same phenomena , each one has its on Phisical property like X rays can pass thought solids
take a look at this



radio waves , Microwaves <--close to infrared, Visible light with all its colors ,x ray are the same thing ,

Infrared : transfer the heat , however when we exposure to the sun on a beach we burn not by infrared ,that is cause by ultraviolet rays , Our Sun bring us a full cocktail of all longitude waves and some rare things like Neutrinos particles

this is something I found and is what most of the peope explain about it (but I think is incomplete)

http://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/cosmic_classroom/light_lessons/thermal/heat.h...

however ,I always thought that heat was determinate (and i think it is) by the speed of the electrons on every atom and chaos in plasma stages inside of stars , remember it transfer though the infrared rays..

THE EARTH Its hot in the core because atoms and its electrons orbits are being squeeze by the enormous amount of pressure  and most of the big objects in our solar system are hot in their core ,Jupiter Venus ,sun etc

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No pressure at all ,to make things easier we are the one who are weird, we live in a Tank of also enormous amount of atmosphere pressure take this as and example, If you would go very deep into the ocean ,said 11km beneath the surface and grab one of those fishes and take it to the surface the fish will die and increase the size and maybe the eyes will jump out of their orbits ,see my point?

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This question and the rest are answered with what I told you above  that light which is also a part  electromagnetic radiation  does not transfer heat like the infrared   

   
I'm not a Physicist ,I am and amateur astronomer I could be wrong but most of this is what I been told and read though my life

I fact guess who made all of these?



I have made many more included one 6 inch refractor one ,this photo is very old I still had black hair ....and hair 

Slightly off topic, but NASA has just put a new satellite in orbit around the moon. Will it be possible to view it with a small telescope (the satellite that is, not the moon.......Just though I would preempt the usual SimV jokers )

Matt

expat wrote on Jan 1^st, 2012 at 6:18am:


Lots of Comets, Asteroids, exploding Nebula's, and collapsing Stars in the sky last night!... ...!

My nest-door neighbour suggested it may be something to do with Fireworks, and New Year's celebrations?... ...!

Paul...Sim V Joker... ... ...!