Simviation Forum - Fog layering...

Nov 13^th, 2011 at 2:07pm

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Im having troubles with FSX fog.

the fog works untill I get to the ceiling of the fog layer, then once im above it, thers no more fog whatso ever.. None below me, none above.. Just unlimited visibility. I remember playing fsx a long time ago, and there was fog layers that you couldnt see through, even if you were above the main fog layer. I dont kno what I have done, but once im above the fog, I have unlimited visibility, and can see the ground below me, with no problem at all.

How can I fix this issue?

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Reply #1 - Nov 13^th, 2011 at 3:43pm

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That's just a default problem with FSX - there's no (relatively easy) way to fix it.

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Reply #2 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 7:01am

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Under FS9, which has pretty much the same sim engine to FSX though some people may think otherwise, it's almost 8 years now I'm trying and constantly failing to obtain a decent fog layering. After all this time I have reached the conclusion that it's something like the cloud's shadow: should be there, it's not impossible to achieve, other sims have it... but for the FS franchise the only thought to obtain such fanciful effects it is pure heresy.

Nothing to do about it.

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Reply #3 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 8:12am

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Such a shame that MS Flight seems to be just more of the same: that same old ancient inefficient game-engine.

And yeah: that's something you just can not do about. Darn shame I think the following for this franchise is strong and can be even stronger. As is it seems X-Plane is making a good run for taking over the lead position.

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Reply #4 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 3:38pm

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well this isnt what I wanted to hear Embarrassed

I could swear that Ive had fog layers before.. it wasn't too good, kinda cheesy, but it's better then what I have now.. which is nothing.. at all exept clear skys..

What about active sky? would that help the situation? Would anything help the situation?

I could swear that FSX had some sort of fog layering before.. not very good, but somthing... I just want to get that back.. I'll post some pics of what I have for fog now, and maybe when ya see what I mean, it will help.. becuse im absoulutly sure that ive had better fog layer generation then what I have now.. even in FS9..

hers a good video of fog, which I dont have..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zzT0_HLeoE

at around 5 mins you can see the fog near the ground, but as you go up, it goes to a clear sky, but you can still see the fog below him..

now in mine, when I get above the fog, I can NOT see ANY fog at all. there is NO fog layer below me. it is just completly CLEAR with absolutly NO hint of FOG.... but I will still post some screenies so ya can see exactly what I mean...

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Reply #5 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 4:11pm

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ok hers some screen shots showing exactly what happens.. I hope maybe it will give ya's a better understanding of whats happening... I hope.. Wink

First shot, as ya can see, there is lots of fog....

This next shot is in exactly the same place, just a few hundred feet higher.. as you can see, there is no fog anymore.. where did it go?

Then I went up a bit higher, still in the EXACT same spot (in slew mode) and, its virtually unlimited visibility, with no fog layers at all.. none.. Not even the cheesy layers that I remember with FS9.. which I would at least like a bit of a layer.. not just .. nothing..

So now that you can see whats happening.. is there any way to correct this?

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Reply #6 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 4:25pm

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Hmmmmm......

Interesting there could be a graphics card problem or a missing file thats all I can think of (but I'm not sure)

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Reply #7 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 8:48pm

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michaelb15 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2011 at 4:11pm:

ok hers some screen shots showing exactly what happens.. I hope maybe it will give ya's a better understanding of whats happening... I hope.. Wink

Like said earlier, that just a common default problem with FSX.

As for the YouTube video, I think he's using Active Sky Evolution (can't say for sure).

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Reply #8 - Nov 14^th, 2011 at 9:29pm

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If it's related to some sparse incidents it may be that as soon you take off the weather engine locks on a station for which there is no fog and this is simply canceled (happens even with ActiveSky, though less often than with the default barebone weather engine). If it happens all too often it may be you lack some [unknown to me] texture.

Even if you lack a texture and you manage to bring it back, the fog layering under FS is pretty poor and in the default installations (texture or whatever effect it was I strove to delete, back in the days, because being without its eyesore presence is much better, I believe) looks like a sort of surface of a milky color that encircle and clings unrealistically to any hilly or mountainous surface. The visual effect is pretty much like the lands below you is awash with an off-white semi-transparent colored mercury that is unable to mesh with the orography and remains painfully separated from this by a sharp interface line, just like in the linked Youtube video around min 3:27.

Of course, if you want it back, I wish you luck in your pursuit... it's been YEARS ever since I managed to delete it and cannot remember what it was.

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Reply #9 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 1:01am

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Michaelb15, have you tried the SwarmCloud fix?

If not, see if this helps, It will only work on FSX Sp1.

Part 1
Go to this folder:

FSX\ShadersHLSL\misc.

There you will find a file called SwarmCloud.fx.

Open the SwarmCloud.fx in notepad or wordpad and then look down about 20 lines down from the top. You will see this entry:

bool NewMaterialUsage = true;

Change its value from true to false. Make sure to keep the semi-colon.

Save (?> = true;?) and close the file.

Don't forget to make a backup copy of this file before changing the original.

Part 2
If your running windows XP, go to C:\documents & settings\<your username>\Local Settings\Application Data\Microsoft\FSX\, (I know vista or Win 7 is different, but what you want to find is a folder named Shaders)

When You see the folder called: Shaders.
Make a back-up and move that folder out of there. FSX will make a new one the next time you start the sim. This folder must be removed to ensure that the change you made to the cloud shader file above will be compiled and used on FSX's next run.

What this fix does is smooth out the clouds from popping in and out, and I always have clouds below once I climb above them. Hope this helps.

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Reply #10 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:05am

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Hello Ang2dogs, Can you confirm (or explain) why the swarmcloud fix wouldnot work or fsx SP2 + accleration ?

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Reply #11 - Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:21am

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Hello MichaelB15,

In the past when I used Fs 2004, I purchased FSUIPC, which is a software running with Flight simulator. This soft allow plenty of tweaking of the simulator including setting the visibility , level of fog and many other stuffs.
So you may have look on that software, that must be found in the simviation somewhere.

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Reply #12 - Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:38pm

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jeff55 wrote on Nov 15^th, 2011 at 5:05am:

Hello Ang2dogs, Can you confirm (or explain) why the swarmcloud fix wouldnot work or fsx SP2 + accleration ?

Regards,

One of my buds installed acceleration (which includes Sp2), and when we were tweeking the sim, we got a fatal error at start up, and that was right after we did the swarmcloud fix. When we put back the orginal SwarmCloud.fx file, the sim fired up like normal. Tried it again on another computer and got the same result. That's why it's important to back up your original files before changing them people!

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Reply #13 - Nov 17^th, 2011 at 4:36pm

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i know,totaly off-topic:
what aircraft is that?
it looks good.

and i don't have that problem,maybe it is just the settings.

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