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Reply #15 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:17pm

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H wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:37pm:
*I believe those of the U.S. closer to the southern hills differentiate these with tis, thar, yer/yur and yor, respectively... Cheesy

That is not as far off the mark as you think.

Standard English does not differentiate between "you" (singular) and "you" (plural).

It it correct to say:

"Would you (John) like to visit me on Saturday?" and

"Would you (John and your family) like to visit me on Saturday?"

In the Southern United States you would say:

"Would you (singular) like to come over for the game on Saturday?" or

"Would y'all (plural, bring the family, we're cooking a pig) like to come over for the game on Saturday?".

In the Northeast United States you would say:

"You (singular) want to come over for the game on Saturday?" or

"Youse (plural) coming over for the game on Saturday?  Bring some beer and your sister 'cuz she's hot and I'd like to do her."

Y'all

Youse

 

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Reply #16 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:56pm

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Cheesy Hey Y'all !

I know that even before I lived in USA because that is and English class You(singular) and you (plural) ,I have seen many times people say how are you doing  people? < like to specify  or this goes with you two

In spanish we add and S to plural (Persona-personas) (casa-casas) mujer-mujeres

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Reply #17 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:13pm

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Wouldn't you say:

"¿Tu/Usted como me visitaría el sábado?" or

"¿Vosotros/Ustedes como me visitaría el sábado?" ?
 

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Reply #18 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 5:21am

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here in ireland you would say:
are you (bob) coming to the party?
are ye (bob and john) coming to the party.
 

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Reply #19 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 7:24am

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jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 5:21am:
here in ireland you would say:
are you (bob) coming to the party?
are ye (bob and john) coming to the party.


Here in England we say..

"If "you lot" are coming to the party...then don't forget to bring a bottle!"

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Reply #20 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:03pm

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Webb wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:17pm:
In the Northeast United States you would say:
"Youse (plural) coming over for the game on Saturday?  Bring some beer..."
Don't confuse New York State with New England.  Angry  The only youse I use is use and my upbringing says I shouldn't use you as youse because it's not good to youse people.
Seems long forgotten but there was armed confrontation betwixt New Hampshirite and New Yorker colonials; that's how Vermont came to be.

That aside -- don't confuse the rest of New York State with New York City and its particular suburbs, either.
  Cheesy

jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 5:21am:
here in ireland you would say:
are you (bob) coming to the party?
are ye (bob and john) coming to the party.
Here's me thinking it would be more like:
An bhfuil tú ag teacht leis an pháirtí?
An bhfuil sibh ag teacht leis an bpáirtí
...but, hey, I speak very, very little of any sort of Gaelic and never realized how similar the English and Irish diction.
   Wink Grin


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Reply #21 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:19pm

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H wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:03pm:
Webb wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:17pm:
In the Northeast United States you would say:
"Youse (plural) coming over for the game on Saturday?  Bring some beer..."
Don't confuse New York State with New England.  Angry 
Seems long forgotten but there was armed confrontation betwixt New Hampshirite and New Yorker colonials; that's how Vermont came to be.

That aside -- don't confuse the rest of New York State with New York City and its particular suburbs, either.
  Cheesy

jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 5:21am:
here in ireland you would say:
are you (bob) coming to the party?
are ye (bob and john) coming to the party.
Here's me thinking it would be more like:
An bhfuil tú ag teacht leis an pháirtí?
An bhfuil sibh ag teacht leis an bpáirtí.
...but, hey, I speak very, very little of any sort of Gaelic and never realized how similar the English  and Irish diction.   Wink Grin


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This is when I have to get my maps out, together with Wikipedia, covering the Eastern/North Eastern United States.
Quite a complex area, compared to the rest of the country!.... Wink...!

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I can mostly understand New Yorkers speech, (on the Radio/Tele')... Wink...!

U-Tube contains some examples of different speech patterns.
 

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Reply #22 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:26pm

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H wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:03pm:
Webb wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:17pm:
In the Northeast United States you would say:
"Youse (plural) coming over for the game on Saturday?  Bring some beer..."
Don't confuse New York State with New England.  Angry 
Seems long forgotten but there was armed confrontation betwixt New Hampshirite and New Yorker colonials; that's how Vermont came to be.

That aside -- don't confuse the rest of New York State with New York City and its particular suburbs, either.
  Cheesy

jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 5:21am:
here in ireland you would say:
are you (bob) coming to the party?
are ye (bob and john) coming to the party.
Here's me thinking it would be more like:
An bhfuil tú ag teacht leis an pháirtí?
An bhfuil sibh ag teacht leis an bpáirtí
...but, hey, I speak very, very little of any sort of Gaelic and never realized how similar the English  and Irish diction.
   Wink Grin


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i am not an irish expert either(the opposite actualy) but i do know that that sentance is perfect.
but i think there is another way of saying it.(again;i am rubbish at irish)
and we mainly speak english here,irish is only speaken all the time in certain areas.

and the fact that i know that it is right is because our teacher teaches us stuff about 5 years ahead.
our neighbour is in 3rd year(?) and he only started learning verbs while we learned it in fifth class.
 

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Reply #23 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:45pm

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I am always fascinated with foreign accents/dialects based on the English language, and of course, we only get samples of the North American language from Hollywood films, and U.S. radio broadcasts, which may not accurately represent the local U.S. dialects!

I get my daily dose of California accents from...>>> http://www.kron.com/

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@H...I need some examples from your neck of the woods... Wink...!
 

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Reply #24 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:53pm

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jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 3:26pm:
I am not an irish expert, either (the opposite actually) but I do know that that sentence is perfect.
but I think there is another way of saying it (again, I am rubbish at Irish)
and we mainly speak English here; Irish is only speaken all the time in certain areas.
I was trusting the Translater at http://dictionary.reference.com/ ;  Wink
However, in latter grade school I was forced to take French and remember that tu was a dearly personalized form of vous, the common French equivelent of English you (the Franks were Germanic but their conquered subjects, the more numerous Gauls, were mainly Celtic).



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Reply #25 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:10pm

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lol.
why do all topics here end up totaly off-topic.
well,this is simviation. Cheesy Grin Cheesy

and i think irish is actualy a kind of 'base' language.
it is very simular to celtic and most european languages are based of celtic,creek and latin.

and incase anyone wants some basic lessons.
don't go to my teacher. Grin
 

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Reply #26 - Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:37pm

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jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:10pm:
I think irish is actualy a kind of 'base' language... ...very simular to Celtic
Irish is Celtic, part of the Goidelic branch: Celtic is an overall group of languages, the other major branch being Brythonic (as the Cymric and, as best we know, the ancient Gauls).


jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:10pm:
...most European languages are based of Celtic, Creek and Latin.
Try Celtic, Germanic, Latin and Slavic, amongst others...
Creek is a southeasterly US, Native North American linguistic group; unless you've made a remarkable discovery, they've no known association with the rest of the modern world.
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Reply #27 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 1:46am

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H wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:37pm:
Creek is a southeasterly US, Native North American linguistic group; unless you've made a remarkable discovery, they've no known association with the rest of the modern world.

Which reminds me that I would still like to learn to speak Cherokee, since my great, great grandfather was a full blooded Chief. But I doubt I have the intelligence to learn, especially this late in the game.  Sad
 

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Reply #28 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 5:38am

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H wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:37pm:
Grin

jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:10pm:
I think irish is actualy a kind of 'base' language... ...very simular to Celtic
Irish is Celtic, part of the Goidelic branch: Celtic is an overall group of languages, the other major branch being Brythonic (as the Cymric and, as best we know, the ancient Gauls).


jetprop wrote on Oct 29th, 2011 at 4:10pm:
...most European languages are based of Celtic, Creek and Latin.
Try Celtic, Germanic, Latin and Slavic, amongst others...
Creek is a southeasterly US, Native North American linguistic group; unless you've made a remarkable discovery, they've no known association with the rest of the modern world.
  Wink


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ok.
thanks for clearing that up. Smiley

and thats why i said MOST.
 

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Reply #29 - Oct 30th, 2011 at 9:21am

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Webb wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:13pm:
Wouldn't you say:

"¿Tu/Usted como me visitaría el sábado?" or

"¿Vosotros/Ustedes como me visitaría el sábado?" ?


Spanish is a little bit complicated  Undecided

For example Ustedes and "Usted" singular and "Tu" and "Ustedes" is the same but "Tu" is more like a closer person you wouldn't never call "Tu" the king of England or a kid calling a grown up person "Tu" that would be "Usted" and "Tu" for sisters ,wife ,girlfriend everyone in simv

Now we don't use Vosotros, Vos we use "Ustedes" Usted which is the same but this is Spain/Argentina spoke

and Both are wrong Webb would be like this

Me visitaria Usted el sabado?

we don't have auxiliary verbs    

example
Does she knows how to drive?

in spanish
  knows she how to drive?......something like that  Tongue Undecided
 

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