Search the archive:
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
 
   
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print
Grammar Police (Read 1361 times)
Oct 28th, 2011 at 4:54am

expat   Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender: male
Posts: 8499
*****
 
Well, this is for Doug and Paul. How many of these did you know about or even learn in school. I have seen a couple, but no idea where or when to use them Huh

Matt
 

PETA ... People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400
IP Logged
 
Reply #1 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:36am

Fozzer   Offline
Colonel
An elderly FS 2004 addict!
Hereford. England. EGBS.

Posts: 24861
*****
 
Hello Matt... Smiley...

Excellent find.
The ones I am familiar with, from my handwriting/calligraphy past:
Because.
Caret.
Pilcrow.

Exclamation Comma, and Question Comma, make a lot of sense when used in a sentence!

I avoid Asterism and Interrobang, because the description here uses the word; "Awesome" in the text... Wink... Grin...!

Wonderful, when writing with good, old-fashioned, pen and ink, on paper.

Happy days!

Paul... Smiley...!

 

Dell Dimension 5000 BTX Tower. Win7 Home Edition, 32 Bit. Intel Pentium 4, dual 2.8 GHz. 2.5GB RAM, nVidia GF 9500GT 1GB. SATA 500GB + 80GB. Philips 17" LCD Monitor. Micronet ADSL Modem only. Saitek Cyborg Evo Force. FS 2004 + FSX. Briggs and Stratton Petrol Lawn Mower...Motor Bikes. Gas Cooker... and lots of musical instruments!.... ...!
Yamaha MO6,MM6,DX7,DX11,DX21,DX100,MK100,EMT10,PSR400,PSS780,Roland GW-8L v2,TR505,Casio MT-205,Korg CX3v2 dual manual,+ Leslie 760,M-Audio Prokeys88,KeyRig,Cubase,Keyfax4,Guitars,Orchestral,Baroque,Renaissance,Medieval Instruments.
IP Logged
 
Reply #2 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 6:13am

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
Interesting. Like you, I've seen some of them used in books but until now I didn't know their names or what they mean. No, we were never taught them at school.

I found a complete list of punctuation marks here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #3 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:17am

expat   Offline
Colonel
Deep behind enemy lines!

Gender: male
Posts: 8499
*****
 
Hagar wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 6:13am:
Interesting. Like you, I've seen some of them used in books but until now I didn't know their names or what they mean. No, we were never taught them at school.

I found a complete list of punctuation marks here ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation



Good find Doug. It is a shame 90% are not on a keyboard, well unless you left shift right CTRL, pinky finger the ALT GR, index the table and then type in a four figure code  Grin Grin
I would like a question mark comma and exclamation mark comma. I think I could use that quite a bit ,! or not Grin

Matt
 

PETA ... People Eating Tasty Animals.

B1 Boeing 737-800 and Dash8 Q-400
IP Logged
 
Reply #4 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:22am

Flying Trucker   Offline
Colonel
An Old Retired Rocking
Chair Flying Geezer

Gender: male
Posts: 11425
*****
 
Goodly morning all... Smiley

Like you three I also have seen some of these punctuation marks but have never used them.

Shorthand and Latin along with the use of the Slide Rule was compulsory here in Canada in the five year high school course but I do not think they have a five year high school course now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorthand

I think a lot of us military aviators used a form of Shorthand to fill in the Remarks Section in our Log Books.

As for Latin...never used it...

The Slide Rule...now that was useful...

I do not think most students today know what a Slide Rule is or are they able to sit down and write not type a paragraph after finishing school.

I agree with you there Matt, the keyboards could be changed.

I would also like to see something that would show immediately when someone is typing something out and misspell a word, that it shows up immediately for correction prior to the typist typing on.

A Grammar Usage would also be nice.

I also think the above two would be very educational for our students rather than just doing a Spell Check at the end of the typed work.

However it is nice to see that is changing here with Reading, Writing, Arithmetic and compulsory Physical Education reinstalled in the schools at all levels.

Now if I might continue with an off topic opinion.

Many of us feel that Morse Code should still be compulsory learning for aviators who hold all classes of pilot's licences, not just the military.
That includes the Recreational Licence and Ultralights also.
 

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
IP Logged
 
Reply #5 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 9:24am

patchz   Offline
Colonel
What, me worry?
IN THE FUNNY PAPERS

Gender: male
Posts: 10589
*****
 
I was familiar with the Caret, Section Sign, Pilcrow, and Snark, the latter of which is why I use Roll Eyes so often.

But I love the Because Sign, Exclamation and Question Commas. Now I just need to find them on my Character Map.

Alas, †‡/¶§«» was all I could find on the Character Map.  Sad
 

...
If God intended aircraft engines to have horizontally opposed engines, Pratt and Whitney would have made them that way.
IP Logged
 
Reply #6 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 10:56am

machineman9   Offline
Colonel
Nantwich, England

Gender: male
Posts: 5255
*****
 
I'm familiar with the caret (usually used in mathematics to denote indices). Similarly, the 'because' sign (and its upturned rival, 'more over') are used in physics to short-hand explain a theory or equation.

The section sign should be familiar to anyone who plays The Sims, as the Simoleon is their national currency, using that symbol.

I've also given a few interrobangs in my time, usually not in the same sentence as an ampersand though.
 

...
IP Logged
 
Reply #7 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 4:38pm

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
Flying Trucker wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:22am:
I would also like to see something that would show immediately when someone is typing something out and misspell a word, that it shows up immediately for correction prior to the typist typing on.

The Firefox browser has a spell checker which does exactly that. (I installed the British English dictionary for it.) Words not in the dictionary are underlined in red. Right-click on an underlined word for a list of suggestions for the correct spelling. My spelling has always been pretty good but I find it very useful as my typing is hopeless. Roll Eyes

Quote:
A Grammar Usage would also be nice.

Word processing software like Microsoft Office includes a grammar check feature. It corrects things I don't want corrected so I always disable it.

These things are all very well but I don't like machines trying to interpret what I mean. In the end there's no substitute for learning to do it properly yourself. Unfortunately in the computer age that is rapidly becoming a lost art.
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #8 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:36pm

Steve M   Offline
Colonel
Cambridge On.

Gender: male
Posts: 4097
*****
 
For Doug (Flying Trucker), or anyone interested.


http://tinyspell.numerit.com/ 


It can be turned on and off easily. Your word appears in red above the word your typing. If your looking at your keyboard while typing, a sound  notifies you, and if you want to ignore it just type another letter or space bar and it goes away. As you can tell, I use it.  Cool
(It's free)
 

...
Flying with twins is a lot of fun..
IP Logged
 
Reply #9 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:53pm

Hagar   Offline
Colonel
My Spitfire Girl
Costa Geriatrica

Posts: 33159
*****
 
Spell checkers can be useful but they obviously cannot detect correctly spelled words used in the wrong context. This is becoming very common. For example;

its & it's
their, there & they're
to & too
your & you're
 

...

Founder & Sole Member - Grumpy's Over the Hill Club for Veteran Virtual Aviators
Member of the Fox Four Group

Need help? Try Grumpy's Lair

My photo gallery
IP Logged
 
Reply #10 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 7:19pm

Flying Trucker   Offline
Colonel
An Old Retired Rocking
Chair Flying Geezer

Gender: male
Posts: 11425
*****
 
Thanks Doug and Steve...much appreciated... Smiley
 

Cheers...Happy Landings...Doug
IP Logged
 
Reply #11 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:01pm

Steve M   Offline
Colonel
Cambridge On.

Gender: male
Posts: 4097
*****
 
Hagar wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:53pm:
Spell checkers can be useful but they obviously cannot detect correctly spelled words used in the wrong context. This is becoming very common. For example;

its & it's
their, there & they're
to & too
your & you're




I agree, not much software available now, can understand context.   
 

...
Flying with twins is a lot of fun..
IP Logged
 
Reply #12 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:06pm

Webb   Offline
Colonel
Go 'Noles!
Morningwood Golf Resort

Posts: 1068
*****
 
I use caret a lot.  In CSS programming it's a shortcut for "begins with".

And section.  "To indicate sections in a text, mostly by lawyers, who are too good for regular punctuation marks." We're pretentious.
 

A bad day at golf is better than a good day at work.

...

Jim
IP Logged
 
Reply #13 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:15pm

ViperPilot   Offline
Colonel
KLMO Denver, CO USA

Gender: male
Posts: 211
*****
 
Hello!

I guess I was lucky for paying attention during English class!  Grin

In this day and age, as more and more people seem to type like they text no wonder things like proper sentence structure, punctuation and proper word usage is slowly becoming a lost art! What gets me are people who don't seem to care that they really don't write and spell very well!

Personally... if someone like that worked for me, and they handed me a letter needing my review and it was written terribly, I would hand it back to them chock full of corrections. In a professional situation like that there's no excuse for something like that.

Just my 2¢ worth...

Alan  Smiley
 

[...
"I created the Little Black Book to keep myself from getting killed..."
-- Captain Elrey Borge Jeppesen

P4 3.0 SINGLE CORE, 2GB Corsair RAM, ATI Radeon 4650 1GB, OCZ 600w PSU, Samsung 160GB HD XP SP3

Proud User of: FS8 FS9 CFS CFS2 IL2
IP Logged
 
Reply #14 - Oct 28th, 2011 at 8:37pm

H   Offline
Colonel
2003: the year NH couldn't
save face...
NH, USA

Gender: male
Posts: 6837
*****
 
The most common use of these, during my younger days of short story writing, was the carat mark; even with a typewriter (do a search, if you wish) available, I usually hand wrote a draft; erasing and inserting being a problem, especially if using pen, I'd correct omissions and insert above with a carat mark below.


Hagar wrote on Oct 28th, 2011 at 5:53pm:
Spell checkers can be useful but they obviously cannot detect correctly spelled words used in the wrong context. This is becoming very common. For example;

its & it's*
their, there* & they're
to & too
your* & you're*
Conversely (you may have been referring to this with your other remark), they will also target names spelled different than a similar word or references to words of a foreign language.
*I believe those of the U.S. closer to the southern hills differentiate these with tis, thar, yer/yur and yor, respectively...
Cheesy


Cool
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 2 3 
Send Topic Print