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Oct 7th, 2011 at 6:03pm

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More photos from Old Warden last Sunday. Not a cloud in the sky but a stiff breeze made flying these vintage aircraft a tad tricky.

First up was the Sopwith Pup. Originally built in 1919 as the two-seat Dove variant it was acquired by Richard Shuttleworth in 1938 & converted to a single-seat Pup.
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It was joined by the Sopwith Triplane. This was built for the Shuttleworth Collection by the Northern Aeroplane Workshops & first flew in April 1992.
It's considered a "late production" example rather than a replica. http://www.shuttleworth.org/shuttleworth-collection/aircraft-details.asp?ID=7
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The lovely little Royal Aircraft Factory S.E.5a. I think this is the only original example still flying.
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The Bristol F.2b Fighter, nicknamed the "Brisfit". One of my favourites.
For some years it was the sole airworthy example but I believe two more are now flying in various parts of the world.
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The next two were visitors & didn't take part in the display.
It was a treat to see this recently restored B.E.2c replica in the air. It was built in 1969 from Tiger Moth components for a Biggles film which was never completed. It was then used for other film work including the BBC series “Wings”. It was crashed in Wisconsin in 1977 & stored for 25 years before being brought back home for restoration. At the recent LAA Rally at Sywell it was awarded the Pooley Sword for best replica aircraft and the Roy Mills Trophy for the best Classic Aircraft restoration.
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Finally, there's no need to say what this is. It's a full-scale replica powered by a modern engine.
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Reply #1 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 6:40am

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Wonderful photos Doug and I do believe the S.E.5a is the only one of its kind still flying Wink
 

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Reply #2 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 9:21am

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Oh WOW...what a Thanksgiving Treat.... Wink

It is great to see real aeroplanes back into the air again.

What no Sopwith Camel?

I can still hear the conversations between my grandfathers and great uncles on what was the best fighter during the Great World War.
The argument always centered around the Camel or the SE5A and of course, the many Canucks who flew them... Wink

A great uncle who flew the Sopwith Triplane while serving with the RNAS could never get his two cents in, he was always shot down by the rest of the family... Grin

Great times were had as children when growing up around the kitchen table in the summer kitchen... Smiley

Hope you don't mind me adding this information on the RNAS Doug... Smiley

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Naval_Air_Service

http://www.naval-military-press.com/history-of-no-10-squadron-royal-naval-air-se...

Thanks again Doug for making my day... Wink
 

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Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 1:03pm

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Thanks for the comments chaps.

Flying Trucker wrote on Oct 8th, 2011 at 9:21am:
What no Sopwith Camel?

I don't think there's an airworthy Camel on this side of the pond at the moment Doug. A replica is currently being built for the Shuttleworth Collection by the Northern Aeroplane Workshops who built the Sopwith Triplane in my photo. Like most of these projects it's taking a long time & this is the latest information I can find on progress --> http://www.svasweb.org/news.php?id=84
 

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Reply #4 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 6:11am

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! finally get around to saying "great shots Doug" and there aren't any to comment on, between now and yesterday they have flown off Grin.....SimV gremlins at it again no doubt.

I must somehow get back to Old Warden, it is easily 35 years since my last visit. Is the Doodlebug still lazying away in the car park Grin

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Reply #5 - Oct 9th, 2011 at 4:30pm

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expat wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 6:11am:
! finally get around to saying "great shots Doug" and there aren't any to comment on, between now and yesterday they have flown off Grin.....SimV gremlins at it again no doubt.

I must somehow get back to Old Warden, it is easily 35 years since my last visit. Is the Doodlebug still lazying away in the car park Grin

Matt

Thanks Matt. While the main site is down you can see the pics from this topic in my Picasa gallery. Also lots more from last Sunday ---> Shuttleworth Autumn Air Show 2011

I don't recall a doodlebug at Old Warden. Must have been before my time. C will know.*

*PS. There used to be one on a ramp at Duxford. Not sure if it's still there.
 

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Reply #6 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 3:28pm

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Brilliant shots Smiley
I hope to get back there soon
 
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Reply #7 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:09pm

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Great shots Doug! A question though, some of those old plane engines ran on caster oil if I've heard right. Are any of those modified to run on gasoline? I have read that the  old pilots often came back with a mouth full and a quick dash to the outhouse. Any truth to that?
 

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Reply #8 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:29pm

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Craig. wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 3:28pm:
Brilliant shots Smiley
I hope to get back there soon

Thanks Craig. You'll have to wait until next year now.

Steve M wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:09pm:
Great shots Doug! A question though, some of those old plane engines ran on caster oil if I've heard right. Are any of those modified to run on gasoline? I have read that the  old pilots often came back with a mouth full and a quick dash to the outhouse. Any truth to that? 

Thanks Steve. Yes, you heard it about right. The rotary engines in aeroplanes like the Sopwith Pup & Triplane in my photos all run on petrol but they're lubricated with castor oil. The reason for using vegetable oil is that it doesn't mix with the fuel. There is no sump & it's a total loss system. The unburnt oil is spewed out of the exhaust ports.
 

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Reply #9 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:38pm

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Thanks Doug. Caster oil tastes awfull! I was never a pilot, but I had a caring grandmother that served it to me on a silver spoon.
 

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Reply #10 - Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:44pm

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Steve M wrote on Oct 10th, 2011 at 4:38pm:
Thanks Doug. Caster oil tastes awfull! I was never a pilot, but I had a caring grandmother that served it to me on a silver spoon. 

I remember the taste well. It's also used in the fuel for model glow-plug engines.

I'm told that wiping the stuff from their goggles is the real reason for those long silk scarves the WWI pilots wore.
 

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Reply #11 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 4:24pm

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Hagar wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 4:30pm:
I don't recall a doodlebug at Old Warden. Must have been before my time. C will know.*


Maybe!

I remember that it existed, but I can't remember it being there in my memory of the collection, which really starts in about 1989ish. It may have been there sometime in the 80s, but I'm too young to remember! Grin

As for Camels, there's been at least a couple resident at Old Warden in the past. In the mid 70s, a 1960s radial engined replica, which now lives at the FAA museum at Yeovilton, and at the turn of the 90s, it appears that G-ASOP, a genuine F1 was briefly based at OW following restoration by BAe at Kingston (where it was built in 1917) and AJD Engineering. Apparently it flew in 1993, but was then sold to an unknown owner in the USA, where it disappeared (as they tend to do) until it appeared on ebay in 2005 at a ridiculous price. So, having been painstakingly restored, it disappeared to become unairworthy and effectively held to ransom (a similar story to a well known selection of Mosquito, Tempest and Lysander).

 
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Reply #12 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 5:00pm

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C wrote on Oct 11th, 2011 at 4:24pm:
Hagar wrote on Oct 9th, 2011 at 4:30pm:
I don't recall a doodlebug at Old Warden. Must have been before my time. C will know.*


Maybe!

I remember that it existed, but I can't remember it being there in my memory of the collection, which really starts in about 1989ish. It may have been there sometime in the 80s, but I'm too young to remember! Grin



Well, my last visit was mid to end 70's so I am not surprised that no one recalls:-[

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Reply #13 - Oct 11th, 2011 at 8:00pm

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Really nice photos Doug. And replicas or not, they are gorgeous birds, especially the Pup, B.E.2c, and DR1. Smiley
 

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Reply #14 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 8:35pm

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when i saw the first pic, i though it was rise of flight.
 
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