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Oct 7th, 2011 at 7:33am

machineman9   Offline
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I have a seriously awful computer from about 2006/7, and although I have tried to upgrade it a bit, it's just time to get a new one.

Current specs:
1.86Ghz Intel E6320
2GB of some awful DDR2 memory
512mb nVidia 8600GTS
550W power supply

I'd be happy enough to use the power supply and graphics card, as my current work is mostly CPU and memory intensive.


I'd like to spend under £600 if possible. But £700 would probably be the maximum.

I will be running the following as a priority: FSX, Lightroom 3.5, and eventually Adobe After Effects CS5.5.

Preferably DDR3 memory (dual or quad channel) of 4GB or greater and an i7 processor. Hard drive capacity isn't too important, and they're dirt cheap anyway. 500GB or greater would be ideal... I have a 1TB external anyway. Intel and nVidia are my preferred manufacturers. A card reader and plenty of USB ports would be ideal!

Vista is the operating system that I would prefer to use. You may hate it, but there really is nothing wrong with it. The 7 GUI really annoys me. Vista is only bad if you don't know how to use it properly  Wink That said, OEMs love the latest and greatest, so 7 will probably have to do.


If you could reccomend any systems, or places where I could buy such a machine, I would appreciate it. PCWorld have limited range, but are cheap. Ginger6 and CCLOnline (online shops who will also make systems) seem to be a bit expensive.


Any reccomendations?


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Reply #1 - Oct 7th, 2011 at 12:24pm
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The differentiator between an i7 quad and an i5 quad is hyperthreading which FSX doesn't use although rendering and photoshop use it a bit.

Get Core i5 2500 (3.3ghz, 3.7ghz turbo) or Core i7 2600 (3.4ghz, 3.8ghz turbo). The 2600 has a tiny bit higher frequency and hyperthreading but disproportionality more expensive. Get unlocked 'K' model if overclocking, they usually go to 4.5-4.8ghz with air cooling. At the moment, these are the only processors that are worth buying. The Intel hex-core processors are very expensive while only marginally faster, very cheap quad cores from AMD are too slow, slightly cheaper quad cores from Intel are only slightly cheaper yet slower, AMD hex-core processors only match the 2500/2600 in multi-threaded tasks and fall behind in single-threaded, dual cores are dual cores whereas the sweetspot is quad cores. Alternatively you can wait a week (October 12) and see how AMD FX-series processors pan out. Might be good. Might be bad.

Get 8gb DDR3-1600 (DDR3-1333 will do too, but 1600 is pretty much the same price and faster). RAM is cheap, I wouldn't bother with 4gb since it won't save you much money at all. Sandy Bridge only supports DDR3, so you don't need to worry about RAM type unless you're specifying all the parts.

GTX 560-Ti or GTX 570. Both great cards. If you want cheaper then go GTX 560 but don't go lower. Junk 8600GTS.

Corsair Carbide 400R case. Cheap, decent. I think it's sold in the UK.

Corsair HX-650 or decent quality (seasonic, enermax, ocz high current series, corsair, superflower) 650 watt power supply. I don't know how good your current power supply is so I don't know if you should keep it as wattage means nothing without knowing the conditions of that wattage.

Your budget isn't high enough for a SSD, and 10,000 rpm drives are essentially redundant. Any 7200rpm 1tb will do for OS and a 5400/5900rpm 2tb drive will do for storage. 500gb drives are redundant and poor value.

Windows 7. It is only bad if you don't know how to use the GUI properly (just kidding).

Make sure it's paired to a big screen.

Get a store to build it or build it yourself. I'm not from the UK so I don't know any stores. For the love of god, don't buy some POS dell, emachines, hp, acer.. In any case, make sure it gas i5-2500 or i7-2600, 8gb, gtx 560 or gtx 560-ti or gtx 570.



 
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Reply #2 - Oct 7th, 2011 at 4:53pm

machineman9   Offline
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Yeah I'm not too bothered about SSD. To be fair, Windows 7 is incredibly good at booting up anyway. And the software I run only takes a couple of minutes to load at best anyway.

Future-proofing is my greatest concern. Computers are expensive, but if I get something worthwhile now, then it will be a lot easier to maintain. 8GB of RAM seems a bit overkill, but I guess it cannot hurt. I will have to check the prices, or put it off, but ensure the motherboard will be compatible for when I do upgrade it.

I will be opting for a new 2 or 3 screen layout at some point too. I am positive that the colour profile on this monitor is buggered to hell... Not good for editing photos!



After a very brief search, these two systems came up:

A HP system
and
A kind of freaky looking Acer

Not bad for the price!
 

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Reply #3 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 3:14am
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ACER sucks, it looks retarded, and has a crap processor, crap graphics, crap hard drive, less than preferable RAM and is probably 100% overpriced. HP has really good processor, less than preferable RAM, integrated graphics which is really slow for FSX, good hard disk and a formfactor that may make upgrading difficult in the future. It would be really good for FSX if you added a good graphics card to it, but it might not fit the form factor or run with the power supply since neither were specified.


I've been trying to find something good, but VAT always pushes the price to 800 pounds - everything is seemingly 15-20% more expensive than here in Australia.  Roll Eyes

I have been playing Battlefield 3 recently and the memory and pagefile usage goes over 4gb, which is which is why I think 8gb is preferable. I'm about to upgrade to a Core i5 2500 and 8gb of DDR3-1600.

I'll try to find something good, just hang on.


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Reply #4 - Oct 8th, 2011 at 5:04am
Overkill Beyond Overkill   Ex Member

 
I ran a search on another website for the best computer stores in the UK, then looked at the best systems for your budget.

The cheapest you could get a really good system for is by building it yourself. Should be about 650 pounds not including shipping, usually prebuild systems of the same performance will cost 700-800.

Here's a link:
http://pcpartpicker.com/uk/p/1DyG

You can get a similar PC here for 710:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-179-OE&groupid=43&catid=...
Just change the graphics card to GTX 460 Superclocked, get rid of the overclock, add Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit OEM. Alternatively you can keep the overclock to 4.4ghz for an 730 pounds all up. Personally, I wouldn't trust someone else overclocking my hardware.



Other things that looked OK:
http://www.scan.co.uk/value-systems
Scan V20 system, just change to 8gb of memory if you like and graphics to 1gb GTX 460 SC. Personally I think the case looks crap, the processor could be slightly better, but it's not fully configurable.
 
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