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Sep 5th, 2011 at 7:39pm

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If I get a little bit bored in Flight Simulator, I sometimes plan a VFR route, but I use my compass and the FS9 map to plot my headings. However, they're not entirely accurate, and I think the magnetic variation value may be different in the game to the value that I have been using.

I've always used +3 degrees (which is probably expired information anyway) to convert from map to mag. Does anyone have any idea if these rules even apply to MSFS?


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Reply #1 - Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:36pm

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Depends on where you are flying.

If you are in Minnesota, USA it is 0 degrees, while here in the Seattle area it's something like -17 degrees.

So it depends...

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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 2:46am

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JoBee wrote on Sep 5th, 2011 at 10:36pm:
Depends on where you are flying.

If you are in Minnesota, USA it is 0 degrees, while here in the Seattle area it's something like -17 degrees.

So it depends...

cheers,
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Yup...  magnetic variation is shown on VFR and IFR charts.
 

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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:09am

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The only problem is that magnetic variation does indeed vary, that and FS9 has the Earth modelled as a cylinder rather than a sphere so it doesn't bother calculating it Wink
 

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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:56am

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ozzy72 wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:09am:
The only problem is that magnetic variation does indeed vary, that and FS9 has the Earth modelled as a cylinder rather than a sphere so it doesn't bother calculating it Wink
Seems you're right, Ozzy; I think I located myself somewhat this side of the far side of the moon... hope the space station orbits close enough to latch onto as it passes.



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Reply #5 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:13am

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Reply #6 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 10:58am

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ozzy72 wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:09am:
FS9 has the Earth modelled as a cylinder rather than a sphere so it doesn't bother calculating it Wink

I guess that's why I've been flying off course  Grin
 

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Reply #7 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 1:15pm

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ozzy72 wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 9:09am:
The only problem is that magnetic variation does indeed vary, that and FS9 has the Earth modelled as a cylinder rather than a sphere so it doesn't bother calculating it Wink

FS9 does a fine job of modeling magnetic variation.

If you enter slew mode and press the spacebar your plane will be rotated to true north.

In Seattle (KSEA) your heading will be 340.

In Minneapolis (KMSP) your heading will be 357.

At La Guardia (KLGA), 013.

What FS9 does not model is the change of magnetic variation over time. This can make navigation with current charts challenging. There are files out there that will update the mag var, but they don't change any navaids or airports which creates another problem.

When using charts and a watch to navigate in the sim I chalk the minor discrepancies up to pilot error in adjusting for wind.

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Reply #8 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 4:18pm

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I just tested it now. 006 degrees from using slew. So would I subtract 6 degrees from my heading when I move from map to magnetic?
 

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Reply #9 - Sep 7th, 2011 at 1:50am

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machineman9 wrote on Sep 6th, 2011 at 4:18pm:
I just tested it now. 006 degrees from using slew. So would I subtract 6 degrees from my heading when I move from map to magnetic?

If you slew>spacebar and your magnetic heading is 006, then determine your heading on the map and add 6 degrees for magnetic.

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Reply #10 - Sep 7th, 2011 at 6:52am

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Remember the rule, grid to mag, add. Mag to grid, get rid Wink
 

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Reply #11 - Sep 7th, 2011 at 7:14am

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ozzy72 wrote on Sep 7th, 2011 at 6:52am:
Remember the rule, grid to mag, add. Mag to grid, get rid Wink

Very true. I thought I was correcting to make the heading 000, but actually I need to ofset it to +006.


Cheers for that! I shall have to do a flight and practise flying through magnetic deviations.
 

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Reply #12 - Sep 9th, 2011 at 1:57pm

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New York's magnetic variation is 12 degrees west. Chicago is zero degrees. Los Angeles is 15 degrees east. If you don't have VFR  or IFR charts, estimate the variation from the foregoing, depending on where you are. Add westerly variation, subtract easterly, to your true course to get magnetic course.

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Reply #13 - Sep 12th, 2011 at 7:49pm

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ozzy72 wrote on Sep 7th, 2011 at 6:52am:
Remember the rule, grid to mag, add. Mag to grid, get rid Wink

That would only apply in some area where the variation is west of true north... unless you're talking about adding or subtracting positive or negative numbers.

In real life, and as modeled in FS9, the variation can be expressed in terms of "negative" for areas where magnetic North is East of true North (which means your true course heading will be a lower number on the degree scale than your magnetic heading), or "positive" when it is West of true North.

Of course, if you go past 360 degrees while adding or subtracting, that changes, but you have to visualize the circular scale, not a straight line. so, if you've laid out a true course with a heading of, say, 005 degrees true, and the variation is 10 degrees east, your compass heading to follow that course line needs to be 350 magnetic, because you subtracted 10 from 005.

On US charts, magnetic variation lines are labeled "xx degrees E" or "XX degrees W", so one has to figure the add/subtract thing every time.
Fortunately, there's another useful mnemonic for that:
"East is least, West is best".  Grin
 

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Reply #14 - Sep 13th, 2011 at 7:31am

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I'll tell you what I sometimes find confusing...

In Great Britain when we fly "up" Britain, from the bottom to the top, we travel Northwards on the Compass...

...but, looking at my Atlas, when I fly "up" the coast of California from Los Angeles to Oregon, following the Pacific coast, my Compass reads W/NW, and magnetic N is off to my right!

...which just goes to show that "up" is not always Northwards!... Wink...!

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