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The Russians Are at it again (Read 1228 times)
Aug 24
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I'm sure if you watch news or are an Military fan you have heard of the Sukhoi PAK FA/ T-50. And it is a really pretty plane but it looks like a tomcat, raptor and black widow II blended together. But why re-invent the wheel?
But it's done it's (second?) airshow on
The 16th august
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The Russians say it will wipe the floor with the Raptor and use the j-20 as the water bucket
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I think it's the same thing as my mum says "I'm the nicest handsomest and smartest boy on earth.
Most people think that flying a plane is dangerous, except pilots because they know how easy it is.
Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.
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Well, the raptor doesn't seem capable of flying while raining... I guess Russia only has to wait for bad weather to invade the US with their PAK-FA's...
But seriously I do think the Raptor is overrated. There's too much propaganda around it and I think there's a lot more to it than the eye can meet... Actually Russian planes are very good in their simplicity. The only problem is that they are hard to fly and sold to countries that don't care about pilot training. If you think about it there aren't many russian planes piloted by russian pilots being shot down. For example the MiG-21. In the vietnam war the vietnamese weren't aware of the plane's high roll-rate and many of them just crashed because they couldn't regain control after doing a fast barrel roll... And I can surely say that the MiG-29/Su-27 would give the F-16/F-15 a run for their money...
Of course, the Pak-fa seems to have been made in a kind of a rush since engine problems appeared during a demo flight.
And actually the PAK-FA has nothing to do with western planes. Actually the only resemblence to a western plane I see are the tailplanes that are similar to the F-35's. The engine exhaust nozzles are similar to the Su-27's. All the rest is pretty much new.
The lines for stealthy planes are pretty much the same. You can't make a stealthy plane without resembling a F-22/F-117/F-35, whatever... But the PAK-FA isn't focused 100% in radar invisibility, Sukhoi also considered maneuverability and I think that's what's going to overpower the F-22. Russians are known for their cheap, light and maneuverable aircraft.
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Aug 24
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What you are saying is true. The f-22 gets way too much attention for it's good.
But what makes me wonder is how are we so sure that the f-22, t-50 and J-20 are really the most advanced? they could just be distractions for the real deal.
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@Xpand- The F-22 can fly in rain and snow, they sit out side every day like the F-15's they replaced, they just go in the hangers for maintenance or sever weather, that was one of the requirements for the RAM on the F-22, F-35 and any new stealth plane.
Interesting, just like the F-15 vs Su-27 battle that never was, the F-22 vs T-50 will not happen.
But can't wait to see more of the T-50, and unlike the F-22, I don't see this falling to political pressure, over some stupid stuff saying it is not needed, because it was devolved during the cold war and stuff has changed, when Politicians don't know anything about planes, let alone what it is capable of.
Both F-22 and T-50 Projects were started back in the cold war to go head to head, and as a result ended up having the capabilities of 5 planes rolled into 1: Fighter, EW, RC, AWACS, and Attack Bomber, which equals "Air Superiority" you have to control all these to achieve this. But people forget this, and only see it as a Fighter with one purpose.
As a plane enthusiast I hope Russia Air Force has better luck in seeing there project through to the end, and not end up like us in the USAF with a plane that is only 50% capable, when there was supposed to be 3 variants of the plane for the whole fleet.
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Aug 24
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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
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@Xpand- The F-22 can fly in rain and snow, they sit out side every day like the F-15's they replaced, they just go in the hangers for maintenance or sever weather, that was one of the requirements for the RAM on the F-22, F-35 and any new stealth plane.
Interesting, just like the F-15 vs Su-27 battle that never was, the F-22 vs T-50 will not happen.
But can't wait to see more of the T-50, and unlike the F-22, I don't see this falling to political pressure, over some stupid stuff saying it is not needed, because it was devolved during the cold war and stuff has changed, when Politicians don't know anything about planes, let alone what it is capable of.
Both F-22 and T-50 Projects were started back in the cold war to go head to head, and as a result ended up having the capabilities of 5 planes rolled into 1: Fighter, EW, RC, AWACS, and Attack Bomber, which equals "Air Superiority" you have to control all these to achieve this. But people forget this, and only see it as a Fighter with one purpose.
As a plane enthusiast I hope Russia Air Force has better luck in seeing there project through to the end, and not end up like us in the USAF with a plane that is only 50% capable, when there was supposed to be 3 variants of the plane for the whole fleet.
I really hope they make a good plane. Give the media something to talk about
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OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
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@Xpand- The F-22 can fly in rain and snow, they sit out side every day like the F-15's they replaced, they just go in the hangers for maintenance or sever weather, that was one of the requirements for the RAM on the F-22, F-35 and any new stealth plane.
Eheh, I know the F-22 can fly in bad weather. I was just kidding about that problem with skin implemented sensors.
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Xpand wrote
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, 2011 at 7:32am:
OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
on Aug 24
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, 2011 at 4:01pm:
@Xpand- The F-22 can fly in rain and snow, they sit out side every day like the F-15's they replaced, they just go in the hangers for maintenance or sever weather, that was one of the requirements for the RAM on the F-22, F-35 and any new stealth plane.
Eheh, I know the F-22 can fly in bad weather. I was just kidding about that problem with skin implemented sensors.
The media keeps lying to us
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hyperpep111 wrote
on Aug 25
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, 2011 at 7:45am:
Xpand wrote
on Aug 25
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, 2011 at 7:32am:
OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
on Aug 24
th
, 2011 at 4:01pm:
@Xpand- The F-22 can fly in rain and snow, they sit out side every day like the F-15's they replaced, they just go in the hangers for maintenance or sever weather, that was one of the requirements for the RAM on the F-22, F-35 and any new stealth plane.
Eheh, I know the F-22 can fly in bad weather. I was just kidding about that problem with skin implemented sensors.
The media keeps lying to us
Since when do they do anything else?
I think if anything, the F-22 and PAK-FA will be fighting together against the J-20. The J-20 looks to not be a fighter, though, it's probably a long-range strike A/C.
Although with Russia's tendency to sell all their new stuff to other countries that may be hostile to the NATO nations, maybe the PAK-FA and F-22 will go head-to-head.
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You can't make a stealthy plane without resembling a F-22/F-117/F-35
What about the B-2?
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RaptorF22 wrote
on Aug 25
th
, 2011 at 4:12pm:
hyperpep111 wrote
on Aug 25
th
, 2011 at 7:45am:
Xpand wrote
on Aug 25
th
, 2011 at 7:32am:
OVERLORD_CHRIS wrote
on Aug 24
th
, 2011 at 4:01pm:
@Xpand- The F-22 can fly in rain and snow, they sit out side every day like the F-15's they replaced, they just go in the hangers for maintenance or sever weather, that was one of the requirements for the RAM on the F-22, F-35 and any new stealth plane.
Eheh, I know the F-22 can fly in bad weather. I was just kidding about that problem with skin implemented sensors.
The media keeps lying to us
Since when do they do anything else?
I think if anything, the F-22 and PAK-FA will be fighting together against the J-20. The J-20 looks to not be a fighter, though, it's probably a long-range strike A/C.
Although with Russia's tendency to sell all their new stuff to other countries that may be hostile to the NATO nations, maybe the PAK-FA and F-22 will go head-to-head.
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You can't make a stealthy plane without resembling a F-22/F-117/F-35
What about the B-2?
I do not think that would make a very effective "fighter" shape. But I think a plane capable of BVR would be great.
E.G
The plane is doing patrol when it picks up "bogeys" using it's advanced sensors from 100 nm.
It immediately climbs to over 50000 ft and Mach 2 so by the time the enemy aircraft is at 80nm It's set.
At 70nm It fires a mid range missile and If ti misses it turns away, goes around the enemy plane and repeats the cycle. I'm not a master military dude so This might have holes in it.
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RaptorF22 wrote
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What about the B-2?
That one is more based on radar radiation absorving materials, but yeah, I forgot to mention it.
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Xpand wrote
on Aug 25
th
, 2011 at 4:38pm:
RaptorF22 wrote
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th
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What about the B-2?
That one is more based on radar radiation absorving materials, but yeah, I forgot to mention it.
No, it just has a small frontal area and curved surfaces. Look up Tacit Blue, that was a concept that showed curved surfaces are equally effective as jagged surfaces for stealth.
The B-2 has the radar cross section of a BUG. And it has a 172 foot wingspan
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Wow, I thought the curves just scattered the radar waves around like in normal planes. But the B-2 also has a flat bottom, which is very common in stealth fighters. That's probably because it reflects the radar waves away from the radar reciever since the radar waves' angle of reflection must be the same as the the angle of incidence, right?
What I don't understand is the purpose of the angles of the wings and tailplanes, for example in the F-22, having to be equal, leading edge to leading edge and trailing edge to trailing edge. And on the B-2 the jagging of the trailing edge also has parallel lines.
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Xpand wrote
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Wow, I thought the curves just scattered the radar waves around like in normal planes. But the B-2 also has a flat bottom, which is very common in stealth fighters. That's probably because it reflects the radar waves away from the radar reciever since the radar waves' angle of reflection must be the same as the the angle of incidence, right?
What I don't understand is the purpose of the angles of the wings and tailplanes, for example in the F-22, having to be equal, leading edge to leading edge and trailing edge to trailing edge. And on the B-2 the jagging of the trailing edge also has parallel lines.
This
should help
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But the Pak Fa engines will have to be chacged for stealth issues.
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Well seeing that they announced the F-22 will be flying once again near the beginning of fall, I'm sure we'll learn more about her. As well as the F-35.
-Jake
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Jake Bourdon wrote
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Well seeing that they announced the F-22 will be flying once again near the beginning of fall, I'm sure we'll learn more about her. As well as the F-35.
-Jake
They Haven't been flying?
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hyperpep111 wrote
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Jake Bourdon wrote
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, 2011 at 9:24am:
Well seeing that they announced the F-22 will be flying once again near the beginning of fall, I'm sure we'll learn more about her. As well as the F-35.
-Jake
They Haven't been flying?
Renč
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Pilots lose currency as F-22 grounding drags on
By Dave Majumdar - Staff writer
Posted : Thursday Aug 4, 2011 21:52:14 EDT
Air Force F-22 pilots are losing their training edge as the Raptor fleet enters its fourth month of a grounding.
The stealthy twin-engine air superiority fighters stood down May 3, after suspected problems with their oxygen systems. Air Force sources link the oxygen systems to a fatal crash last November.
Late last month, Air Force Vice Chief Gen. Philip Breedlove conceded that pilots, despite ongoing simulator training, can’t maintain their currency in the aircraft.
“Certainly, as we restart training we’ll have to regain those currencies just like in any other grounding of any other aircraft,” Breedlove said.
The shutdown has disrupted the various F-22 training pipelines, Air Combat Command (ACC) spokeswoman Capt. Jennifer Ferrau said in an email.
Pilots shifting to the Raptor have been told to return to their home stations until the jets are allowed to fly again. B-course students, the young pilots who are learning to fly the Raptor as their first fighter jet, have been limited to academics and simulator flights. Even the elite pilots at the U.S. Air Force Weapons School have been told to return to their home bases during the grounding.
“The [Weapons School] course in session at the time of the May 2011 standdown were able to complete the course,” Ferrau wrote. “The four students who started in the July class are returning to their home station and will be rescheduled after the standdown is lifted.”
In order to remain current in the F-22, a pilot must each month fly a certain number of sorties, as well as make landings, perform basic fighter maneuvers, practice air combat maneuvering and tactical intercepts, among a host of other skills, said one highly experienced former F-22 pilot.
If a pilot hasn’t flown at all in 210 days, he or she must go through the entire training course again, although a special requalification syllabus is being worked up to shorten the time involved.
Each of the F-22 wings are developing such requalification program, which will require approval by their parent major commands. For example, the 1st Fighter Wing at Langley Air Force Base (AFB), Va., falls under the auspices of ACC.
“The requalification program requires current ground and simulator training, an emergency procedures review, as well as a tailored requalification sortie syllabus,” Ferrau wrote.
That syllabus will mirror the process being used to stand up the F-35 initial training cadre at Eglin AFB, Fla.
“Once the standdown is lifted, instructor pilots will regain their flying currency first, then train/supervise/evaluate the rest of their unit through a directed requalification flight program,” Ferrau wrote. “Once the designated number of sorties have been flown to achieve requalification, all pilots must fly their regular number of monthly sorties and commanders will then declare when their unit is sufficiently trained and ready for various taskings.”
Currently, though the pilots are flying in the simulator, only the instrument approach currency can be maintained that way.
“Unlike [Federal Aviation Administration] Air Carrier operations where landing certification can be accomplished in simulators, only Instrument Approach currency can be maintained in the sim,” Ferrau wrote.
The instrument events that can be done in the simulator include general instrument flying, trail departures, instrument penetration and approaches, including single-engine approaches.
Simulators are useful for maintaining some of the pilots’ tactical skills because they make it easier to create and fly extremely demanding combat situations that can’t be replicated on a real-life range, the former pilot said.
The ACC spokeswoman agreed.
“While the simulator is great for tactical proficiency, instrument and emergency procedures, it can’t completely replace live flying,” Ferrau wrote. “For example, a pilot can make a high-speed, 9-G turn in the simulator and not feel the effects of G forces.”
Nor can a simulator’s visual system replicate the real world to a level that would be needed to completely maintain a pilot’s skills.
“Today’s simulator visuals are quite good, but nothing can truly replicate the physiological difficulties of long-range visual pick-up of tactical aircraft or ground targets in the ‘real’ world,” Ferrau said.
But perhaps the most important aspect is the feel of a real aircraft, the former Raptor pilot said.
Ferrau doesn’t disagree.
“The simulator is a controlled environment, while live fly includes the stress of heat, sweat, vibration, G force, blinding sun, motion of 3-dimensional flight, uncertainties while flying in a crowded airspace and maybe most important — mortality,” she said. “You can run out of fuel and put the sim on ‘freeze’ but you cannot stop live flight to avoid a dangerous situation. Live fly is inherently dangerous and heightens the pilot’s awareness to a degree above that in a sim.”
The problem of maintaining pilots’ skillS is exacerbated by the fact that the Air Force only has two F-22 simulator complexes, one at Langley AFB and another Tyndall AFB, Fla.
Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson in Alaska should get its simulator in January. However, the Air Force has yet to decide where it will install two more simulators it has ordered, Ferrau said.
The former F-22 pilot said that although the operational Raptor squadrons will lose some of their readiness during the grounding, he is confident the units will remain effective. The stealthy, powerful Raptor is so grossly superior to any other combat aircraft that even inexperienced pilots who haven’t even finished training regularly defeat superior numbers of highly experienced aviators flying less capable jets, he said.
The pilot, who participated in the Raptor’s operational testing, said that “we could have been a bunch of buffoons, and the jet would have done well.”
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/08/dn-pilots-losing-edge-as-f22-grounding...
What I think is funny, is I have current photos of the T-50 as my back ground at work, and the 2 older guys I work with in there 50's think: "It is a blatant copy of the F-14 and F-15 just like all the other Russian planes that copy ours! Look at the twin tail, they can't come up with their own design!"
I had to look at them like they were crazy, because out of the 8 older guys from late 40's to mid 50's, they are the only ones that
don't
think the T-50 is similar to the F-22 design because of the stealth. They see: twin engine far apart, twin tail, gear similar to the F-14, so they must have copied it. So I just gave up trying to explain it to them.
But on a side note, I still want to see if the T-50's omnidirectional thrust vectoring is stealth, like how the F-35's giant gaping exhaust is stealth like, do to the stuff around it deflecting the radar waves.
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Xpand wrote
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Wow, I thought the curves just scattered the radar waves around like in normal planes. But the B-2 also has a flat bottom, which is very common in stealth fighters. That's probably because it reflects the radar waves away from the radar reciever since the radar waves' angle of reflection must be the same as the the angle of incidence, right?
What I don't understand is the purpose of the angles of the wings and tailplanes, for example in the F-22, having to be equal, leading edge to leading edge and trailing edge to trailing edge. And on the B-2 the jagging of the trailing edge also has parallel lines.
Symmetry is a good thing
Makes it a lot easier to design and build (one set of tooling makes two wings)
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"Planform alignment is also often used in stealth designs. Planform alignment involves using a small number of surface orientations in the shape of the structure. For example, on the F-22A Raptor, the leading edges of the wing and the tail surfaces are set at the same angle. Careful inspection shows that many small structures, such as the air intake bypass doors and the air refueling aperture, also use the same angles. The effect of planform alignment is to return a radar signal in a very specific direction away from the radar emitter rather than returning a diffuse signal detectable at many angles."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stealth_technology
It can be noticed the most on the F-22 but also to a lesser extent on the F-35, B-2, and other stealth aircraft. The access panels and the skin of the aircraft are often jagged at the same angles as well. Apparently the T-50 at its current iteration does not have the latter two at this stage although it has some planform alignment.
http://i38.tinypic.com/169mdya.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/F-22-non-planform.jpg
Pretty much all aircraft have curves, the only one that didn't was the F-117 but I think that's because computers were not powerful enough back then to compute curved surfaces that retained a low RCS.
What matters is the way the radar waves are reflected. Curved surfaces in stealth aircraft are OK as long as they are not likely to reflect radar back to the enemy radar. For example, you wouldn't want an aircraft shaped like a sphere... or a barrel... which is why no stealth aircraft have those shapes unlike non-stealth aircraft.
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My head is about to explode!!!
Renč
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Wow, thanks for the info!
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