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Jan 28th, 2011 at 9:51am

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My downloaded Beaver has a slider type carb air heat control which cannot be moved.     Equally, selecting button 'H' has no effect.     The carb air runs hot all the time.     Does anyone have any ideas as to how I may rectify this?
 
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Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 11:56am

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Well, if your carb air runs hot all the time, then you don't need carb heat, do you ? Wink

To limit the temperature of the carburetors, there are usually several things that you can do:
- reduce the engine RPMs
- reduce the manifold pressure
- open the cowl flaps a little bit more
That should make the carb temp drop Smiley
 
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Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 1:07pm

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Yes you do. Like when you want to cool it down. 
I was aware of the options.     What I wanted to know was how to make the controls work.
I appreciate the response but it doesn't really address that problem.
 
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Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 1:39pm

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Which Beaver???
 
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Reply #4 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 1:51pm

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Thank you 1olehippy.      To be honest, I'm not entirely sure.     I think it's the Woodward wheeled version (Sim:Bvr 7W).
 
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Reply #5 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 2:01pm

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Daube wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 11:56am:
Well, if your carb air runs hot all the time, then you don't need carb heat, do you ? Wink

To limit the temperature of the carburetors, there are usually several things that you can do:
- reduce the engine RPMs
- reduce the manifold pressure
- open the cowl flaps a little bit more
That should make the carb temp drop Smiley


sounds like someone needs to do a little research   Wink

maybe google "carb heat" or "carb ice" or " venturi effect in carborators"
 
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Reply #6 - Jan 30th, 2011 at 5:25pm

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Or maybe search for "the effect of carb heat on the max power produced by the engine" Wink

You want carb heat OFF for takeoff so you can get max power...
 

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Reply #7 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 12:57am

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It may be the gauge itself.  I recall downloading a couple of Beavers (I hear that snickering) with that carb heat gauge;  in one it apparently was just eye candy - it would move but there was no discernable effect; it the other it didn't even move.  Tried the gauge in a couple of other AC, it still didn't work.  Kept one of the aircraft for a while and replaced the heat gauge with one from an older (FS2k? FS2k2?) Beaver, didn't look as nice but it worked.
 
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Reply #8 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 3:24am

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-Crossfire- wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 5:25pm:
Or maybe search for "the effect of carb heat on the max power produced by the engine" Wink

You want carb heat OFF for takeoff so you can get max power...


Depends the flight conditions.
In fact, if you want max power, then you want the carb temp to be in the green zone.
Normally it's quite easy, even with cold weather, to reach the green zone once applying some thottle.

But when you're flying, it's a different story.  You might reach a point/altitude where the engine power is not enough to maintain a correct carb temp anymore. There, you'll have to activate carb heat.

The author of the topic was complaining about his carb temperature running too hot all the time. I don't think a "carb heat" button will help him in that case Smiley
 
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Reply #9 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 3:58am

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Daube wrote on Feb 1st, 2011 at 3:24am:
-Crossfire- wrote on Jan 30th, 2011 at 5:25pm:
Or maybe search for "the effect of carb heat on the max power produced by the engine" Wink

You want carb heat OFF for takeoff so you can get max power...


Depends the flight conditions.
In fact, if you want max power, then you want the carb temp to be in the green zone.
Normally it's quite easy, even with cold weather, to reach the green zone once applying some thottle.

But when you're flying, it's a different story.  You might reach a point/altitude where the engine power is not enough to maintain a correct carb temp anymore. There, you'll have to activate carb heat.

The author of the topic was complaining about his carb temperature running too hot all the time. I don't think a "carb heat" button will help him in that case Smiley

I think you have the wrong idea about this Daube. Carb heat is used to prevent carburettor icing. rafair is complaining that his carb heat is permanently switched on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carburetor_icing
 

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Reply #10 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 5:36am

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Does that mean that you can get carburator icing even if the carburator air temperature is above 0°C ?

The original poster told this:
rafair wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
The carb air runs hot all the time.     Does anyone have any ideas as to how I may rectify this?

Do you mean that the formation of ice in the carburator can cause an increase of the carburator air temperature ? And that activating carburator heat would actually make this temperature decrease ?  Huh

Hagar wrote on Feb 1st, 2011 at 3:58am:
rafair is complaining that his carb heat is permanently switched on.

Is it really switched on, or is he pushing his engine too hard ? I think his plane has no carb heat, but the carb temperature is raising because of the way he is using the engine. Thus my advises above.
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 12:29pm

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Daube wrote on Feb 1st, 2011 at 5:36am:
Does that mean that you can get carburator icing even if the carburator air temperature is above 0°C ?

The original poster told this:
rafair wrote on Jan 28th, 2011 at 9:51am:
The carb air runs hot all the time.     Does anyone have any ideas as to how I may rectify this?

Do you mean that the formation of ice in the carburator can cause an increase of the carburator air temperature ? And that activating carburator heat would actually make this temperature decrease ?  Huh

Hagar wrote on Feb 1st, 2011 at 3:58am:
rafair is complaining that his carb heat is permanently switched on.

Is it really switched on, or is he pushing his engine too hard ? I think his plane has no carb heat, but the carb temperature is raising because of the way he is using the engine. Thus my advises above.

This has nothing to do with engine temperature or overheating. Carburettor icing is caused by a combination of the sudden temperature drop due to fuel vaporisation and pressure reduction as the mixture passes through the carburettor venturi and past the throttle valve. Such icing can occur at any time, even on warm days, particularly if they are humid. It can be so severe that unless correct action is taken the engine may stop (especially at low power settings during descent, approach or during helicopter autorotation). Carb heat is used in icing conditions to prevent this happening. This also affects the engine performance & is switched off unless required. CAA Safety Sense Leaflet 14 - Piston Engine Icing

Not all aircraft are fitted with carb heating. I believe the Beaver has it & also a carb temperature gauge.

Back to the original topic I found this old thread on the subject of a working carb heat warning light gauge in FS9. http://205.252.250.26/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1265154255/
 

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Reply #12 - Feb 1st, 2011 at 5:19pm

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Carb heat just re-directs hot air from the manifold into the carburator air intake, this warm are ensures that no ice forms in the carb......essentually everytime you close the throttle you need to apply carb heat.......and when you open the throttle then you turn off the carb heat.

Next time you are sitting on the ground getting ready for take-off take a look at your RPM and then pull on the carb heat, now watch your RPM drop about 100 RPM that tells you that your carb heat is working.......it's actually to bad that FS doesnt model carb ice, because the use of carb heat is a very important step in the procedure of flying a normally asperated piston motor........nothing spoils a perfectly good approach like your engine coughing and choking on short final when you realise you need a little more RPM to make the piano keys and you got nothing when push on the throttle   Shocked  .........an essential part of any downwind checklist is "carb heat on"----check  Cool.....almost as important as "gear down" Wink
 
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Reply #13 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 6:23am

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I understand in which condition the carb icing can occur, and this is the whole purpose of the carb air temperature gauge, isn't it ? Can carb icing occur when the carb air temperature is in the green zone ?

The carb heat on some planes is just a redirection of the hot air around the exhaust pipes into the carburators, in order to raise the carb air temperature to prevent the formation of ice from venturi effect. To me, that means that as long as your carburator air temperature is in the green zone, then you don't have to fear for carburator icing.

 
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Reply #14 - Feb 2nd, 2011 at 7:19am

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I think this is getting way off-topic. I'm not sure carb icing is simulated  in MSFS. In his original question rafair wanted to know if the carb heat on his FS9 Beaver can be switched off.
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My downloaded Beaver has a slider type carb air heat control which cannot be moved.     Equally, selecting button 'H' has no effect.     The carb air runs hot all the time.     Does anyone have any ideas as to how I may rectify this?


It would help to know which Beaver we're talking about. I assume there is an entry in the AIR file or Aircraft.cfg that affects it.
 

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